Hollywood Pokes God in the Eye Again

[brycejones]

While I am an atheist now, I was raised Jewish. I can say there is definitely a lot of ignorance about what Jews believe. Even worse, the ignorance about where Christianity came from.

However, I find it hard to believe a seriously religious person is so stupid not to be aware of the history of the story of Noah.

He is just determined to play some crazy persecuted victim card.....

 

[Retro Rob]

Don't know if this was mentioned, but I read that there was a disclaimer stating that the movie was inspired by the Biblical account -- it isn't a retelling.

That being said, these rabid Christians really need to chill....

 

[Jaskalas]

If this were other parts of the world, this movie would be against blasphemy laws and executions would follow. Be glad to be a westerner.

 

[JManInPhoenix]

Making movies! Making music! And a fightin' round the world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnlZPohCU7U

He fights his directors and he fights his fans! It's a problem no one understands! If there's two things he loves it's fighting and...fighting around the world. Making movies! Making music! And a fightin' round the world!

:awe: I actually like most of Russell Crowe's movies but he does strike me as a major asshole in real life.

 

[hal2kilo]

Simple question deserves a simple answer: It's not real. It's only a story.

I'm willing to accept that the story of Gilgamesh may have been based on when the Mediterranean sea may have poured into the Black Sea through the Bosporus.

 

[FaaR]

That said, there is really only one religion they will go after: Christianity. maybe one day they'll get over their bigotry.

Has nothing to do with bigotry. It's because christian religious figures are the only ones the american/western in general moviegoers know all that much about.

Take any one important figure out of any other major world religion (who isn't muhammed or buddha), make a movie out of him (and have him played by a WHITE guy no less ) and the rest of this hemisphere goes, "what? Who?!"

...And no tickets would get sold. It's strictly about commercial considerations, quite simply.

 

[Fern]

And yet the author can't or won't even bother to define how exactly the movie version differs from his notion of Noah.
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Yes, the article seems a poor choice to begin such a thread.

This article is much more informative about factual differences: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat..._the_darren_aronofsky_movie_departs_from.html

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Aside from the simple factual differences noted above, There are apparently huge interpretive changes in film's portrayal of the story of Noah. I saw a panel type discussion on TV and a Jewish guy who attended the premier remarked about this.

Like the recent remake of the film The Day the Earth Stood Still, this version remakes the story of Noah into an 'environmental' story. I.e., God is Gaia and the sins of man are environmental destruction and not practicing vegetarianism.

This article, while not by the same Jewish person I mention above, is the closest thing I can find to his remarks: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/03/28/9-problems-Noah

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I'm sure the producers are absolutely delighted with all this free publicity.

Fern

 

[master_shake_]

some people take the bible a little to seriously...

kinda like trekies... just saying is all.

 

[Darwin333]

Hollywood can do whatever they want.

That said, there is really only one religion they will go after: Christianity. maybe one day they'll get over their bigotry.

Lets take a trip to crazy town and assume you are right.

Do you really think that said bigotry would get in the way of their motivation to make money?

 

[Darwin333]

The story of noah in the USA is identified with Christianity.

Just because some people are stupid doesn't mean everyone else has to stoop to their level...

And if its just a story, whats the big deal? If its not, exactly which historical facts did they get wrong?

 

[Darwin333]

I'm sure the producers are absolutely delighted with all this free publicity.

Fern

I hadn't even thought of that yet. How very ironic it is that the "persecuted Christians" bitching and moaning about how this movie persecutes them even more is going to rather significantly increase how much money they make on the movie.

 

[Fern]

I hadn't even thought of that yet. How very ironic it is that the "persecuted Christians" bitching and moaning about how this movie persecutes them even more is going to rather significantly increase how much money they make on the movie.

Yup. I've heard estimates for the opening week are now as high as $40 million.

Fern

 

[momeNt]

No, it wouldn't get made here in the U.S. And the reason is very simple, maybe too simple for you to comprehend.

It wouldn't be economically viable as this country does not have a large enough Muslim base to support such an endeavor. Who'd pay to see it?

The government wouldn't have to do a darned thing.

There are hadith that forbid visual depictions of Mohammed. So the Muslim base would actually not be the ones supporting it. That was my angle, but thanks for pointing out your ignorance in the matter. Perhaps maybe people should pay to see a movie like that to help them understand the origins of Islam. You clearly would benefit.

 

[lamedude]

:awe: I actually like most of Russell Crowe's movies but he does strike me as a major asshole in real life.

Does throwing a phone at someone make you an asshole?

 

[sportage]

Hey. Its in the Bible. Look it up.

 

[MongGrel]

some people take the bible a little to seriously...

kinda like trekies... just saying is all.

• Scientology is bullshit! Man, I was there the night L. Ron Hubbard invented it, for Christ's sakes! ... We were sitting around one night... who else was there? Alfred Bester, and Cyril Kornbluth, and Lester del Rey, and Ron Hubbard, who was making a penny a word, and had been for years. And he said "This bullshit's got to stop!" He says, "I gotta get money." He says, "I want to get rich". And somebody said, "why don't you invent a new religion? They're always big." We were clowning! You know, "Become Elmer Gantry! You'll make a fortune!" He says, "I'm going to do it."
  • "The Real Harlan Ellison" in Wings (November-December 1978) p. 32
  
  
  http://www.cracked.com/video_18527_stuff-that-must-have-happened-why-popes-dress-like-that.html
  
  

 

[IronWing]

• Scientology is bullshit! Man, I was there the night L. Ron Hubbard invented it, for Christ's sakes! ... We were sitting around one night... who else was there? Alfred Bester, and Cyril Kornbluth, and Lester del Rey, and Ron Hubbard, who was making a penny a word, and had been for years. And he said "This bullshit's got to stop!" He says, "I gotta get money." He says, "I want to get rich". And somebody said, "why don't you invent a new religion? They're always big." We were clowning! You know, "Become Elmer Gantry! You'll make a fortune!" He says, "I'm going to do it."
  • "The Real Harlan Ellison" in Wings (November-December 1978) p. 32

So I got to wondering, "What is a Scientology funeral service like?"

Turns out that it is exactly the same as <insert every other religion that ever was here>. Boring.

 

[Atreus21]

And yet the author can't or won't even bother to define how exactly the movie version differs from his notion of Noah. Which to me just means they didn't fall over themselves to make it as in-your-face religious instead of a general audience movie. This Unitarian/Univeralist hopes the author gets over himself since God is a lot bigger than the cramped version that the convservative evangelical Christians think He is.

Saw it on Friday. There were a couple of deviations I noticed. Most importantly was that Noah became misanthropic, believing that God meant to wipe humanity off the planet. I don't think that has any support in the bible. I also got a slightly bad taste in my mouth by the movie's persistent mentioning of "the Creator" instead of just saying God. It became conspicuous.

In general, I liked it though. It had environmental overtones to begin with, but that doesn't bug me terribly. It's not the anti-Christ that the fundamentalists make it out to be. If you want to really see a dishonestly anti-Christian, and specifically anti-Catholic movie, go see Philomena.

 

[Pens1566]

Thread needs more incorruptible and his war on christians.

 

[thraashman]

Hollywood can do whatever they want.

That said, there is really only one religion they will go after: Christianity. maybe one day they'll get over their bigotry.

Please name for me movies which actually attack Christianity. Because I am completely unaware of any Hollywood movies that do such. I am quite aware of several pro Christianity movies however.

 

[bshole]

Please name for me movies which actually attack Christianity. Because I am completely unaware of any Hollywood movies that do such. I am quite aware of several pro Christianity movies however.

Religulous
The God Who Wasn't There
Jesus Camp
Hell House
etc....

 

[IronWing]

Saw it on Friday. There were a couple of deviations I noticed. Most importantly was that Noah became misanthropic, believing that God meant to wipe humanity off the planet. I don't think that has any support in the bible.

Genesis is very clear on both God's intent and action. God clearly intended to wipe out everybody except Noah and his family.

The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, &#8220;I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created&#8212;and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground&#8212;for I regret that I have made them.&#8221; Gen 6:6-7

So God said to Noah, &#8220;I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. Gen 6:11

Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.&#8221; - Gen 7:4

The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.[a][b] 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished&#8212;birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. Gen 7:20-23

What Noah thought is totally conjecture. In fact Noah's entire speaking role in the Bible is:

&#8220;Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.&#8221;

26 He also said,
&#8220;Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
27 May God extend Japheth&#8217;s[b] territory;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.&#8221;

Gen 9:25-27

simply because Canaan had seen Noah drunk and butt ass naked.

 

[thraashman]

Religulous
The God Who Wasn't There
Jesus Camp
Hell House
etc....

Those are all documentaries, not Hollywood movies.

 

[Atreus21]

Please name for me movies which actually attack Christianity. Because I am completely unaware of any Hollywood movies that do such. I am quite aware of several pro Christianity movies however.

Philomena.
The Magdalene Sisters
Priest
The Butcher Boy

 

[thraashman]

Philomena.
The Magdalene Sisters
Priest
The Butcher Boy

Philomena - British (not Hollywood)
The Magdalene Sisters - British/Irish
Priest (assuming you mean the 1994 film) - British
The Butcher Boy (1997 film) - Irish

So four more examples that are not Hollywood films.