Hollywood Actors (SAD-AFTRA) On Strike

Perknose

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"The actors’ strike, which will go into effect on Friday, marks a crisis point for Hollywood, which has already been rocked in recent years by the pandemic and sweeping technological shifts with the rise of streaming and the steady decline of cable television and box office returns. Hollywood writers have been on strike for months, and with actors now joining them — the first time since 1960 that both are on strike at the same time — the industry will essentially grind to a halt."

^^^ But I want to talk about Fran Drescher. I used to think she was a bimbo, a twerp. She played The Nanny, and had that, ummmm, distinctive (and grating) accent. She also had a world class, real life body. So, from high up in the cheap seats, I leapt to the conclusion that she was a bimbo. I'm happy to admit just how wrong I was. As head of the actor's union, the woman has substance. Moreover, as a woman in Hollywood "of a certain age" she has retained her natural beauty without makeup and without any obvious "work." A real woman. My hat's off to you, Fran Drescher!
 
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Sounds like you'd have done a better job of finding the bimbo if you'd looked in a mirror. The fact that you literally cannot provide anything to compliment besides her looks is just sad. You say she has substance then provide nothing other than her appearance, wherein you define her as woman based on, because heaven knows apparently real women can only be eternally attractive perfect beings, which can only be achieved if they don't wear makeup and don't age without "obvious work".

Its almost backhanded, like Sean Connery type of backhanded, compliment. Actually, she kinda did get a backhanded compliment by winning a John Wayne Institute award.

Oh, WTF, she married this fucking piece of shit guy?

She's a woman that has led an interesting life, that's for sure. One which seems more defined by her not not letting men define her than anything.
 
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Perknose

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Sounds like you'd have done a better job of finding the bimbo if you'd looked in a mirror. The fact that you literally cannot provide anything to compliment besides her looks is just sad. You say she has substance then provide nothing other than her appearance, wherein you define her as woman based on, because heaven knows apparently real women can only be eternally attractive perfect beings, which can only be achieved if they don't wear makeup and don't age without "obvious work".

Its almost backhanded, like Sean Connery type of backhanded, compliment. Actually, she kinda did get a backhanded compliment by winning a John Wayne Institute award.

Oh, WTF, she married this fucking piece of shit guy?

She's a woman that has led an interesting life, that's for sure. One which seems more defined by her not not letting men define her than anything.
You seem like a really angry and unhappy guy, which is probably why you make the basically unsubstantiated asshole personal attack posts you do. It must really suck to be you. Be it by means of a colonic or a therapist, you most certainly have shit to unload.
 

manly

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So unhappy that they turned SAGSAD? I don't know about the union arguing that this fight is aligned with all workers, but the motion picture industry isn't doing itself any favors:

 
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One of Fran’s points is in regards to extras on the set and the expectation that they sign for a one time $200 payment for unlimited rights to their scans & images assumably to be used over and over and over again by an AI art team.
Sounds like a shitty deal to me.

Edit: see above link
 

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My one and only defense of the studio heads—having to listen to Fran Drescher on the other end of a contract negotiation is reason enough not to come back to the bargaining table. Like—kill me now, right???

[Yeah I know her real voice isn’t exactly like the Nanny character but trying to make a funny]
 

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As a union worker nearly all my adult life, I strongly support the rights of these folks to strike. Union YES!
However, as a TV viewer, this is gonna suck. The writers went on strike about 15 years ago...that led to the proliferation of the garbage known as "reality TV."
I DO NOT blame the actors for wanting to block the AI clause. Fuck them (the studios) for trying to pull that shit on working people.

As for Perk's OP...yeah, Frannie was smoking hot back in "The Nannie" days...but I HATED that whiny, "nasally" accent she affected for it.
 

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My one and only defense of the studio heads—having to listen to Fran Drescher on the other end of a contract negotiation is reason enough not to come back to the bargaining table. Like—kill me now, right???

[Yeah I know her real voice isn’t exactly like the Nanny character but trying to make a funny]
I could never stand that voice. Funny, apparently it was pushed for her character. Which has nothing to do with her excellent advocacy for her fellow union member.
 

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However, as a TV viewer, this is gonna suck. The writers went on strike about 15 years ago...that led to the proliferation of the garbage known as "reality TV."
Please no more reality TV... please. I bet we see more influencers get their own shows, the only thing worse than reality TV.

Thinking of cancelling all my TV and streaming subscriptions. Just going to spend more time outdoors until this ends.
 

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I think the studio heads need to realize something. Last time there was a writer’s strike, cord cutting was still a newfangled concept. Except for satellite tv folks, most everyone still had broadband tied to their cable bill.

Nowadays I wouldn’t think twice about dropping Max, Disney+, Paramount, Peacock or any other streamers my family picked up—we’ll pare that all back to just YouTube TV for sports and Netflix for international content.
 
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Fran Drescher interview
pretty succinct and impassioned. the digital scan of background extras and cg likeness is just an outrageous overreach by the studios. the fact that they are trying to keep the contract terms to something written in the 1960's is pretty telling about how bad faith the executives are operating in.

the ai scriptwriting stuff is unlikely to be settled in one go.
there is no copyright for anything not created by a human so as a tool it is fine, but if the studios are trying use it as a way to pay the writer who fleshes out an ai generated treatment/step-outline less than they would make for a human conceived original idea then they should think again.

say goodbye to the 2023/2024 season. this looks like it will go long.
 
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Fran Drescher interview
pretty succinct and impassioned. the digital scan of background extras and cg likeness is just an outrageous overreach by the studios. the fact that they are trying to keep the contract terms to something written in the 1960's is pretty telling about how bad faith the executives are operating in.

the ai scriptwriting stuff is unlikely to be settled in one go.
there is no copyright for anything not created by a human so as a tool it is fine, but if the studios are trying use it as a way to pay the writer who fleshes out an ai generated treatment/step-outline less than they would make for a human conceived original idea then they should think again.

say goodbye to the 2023/2024 season. this looks like it will go long.
If I use an AI to flesh out a script or idea how would anyone know?
 

gorobei

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If I use an AI to flesh out a script or idea how would anyone know?
its the other way around.
the studio uses the ai iterate a bunch of half assed ideas or a list of checkpoints from the marketing/survey types. the ai cranks out a synopsis from a melting pot of previous movies or books. the studio execs have some personal assistant go thru and filter out the semi viable ones and send them back thru the ai to get a full outline, then after exec notes/changes they run another pass to get a full treatment. they then hand off the treatment to a human writer and argue "you are getting 99% of the story handed to you so we dont need to pay you as much" even though the human will likely be solving a ton of the plot problems and making the dialogue sound like something a real (slightly melodramatic) person might say.

they have to use a human because US law has established that only works created by a human are protected by copyright laws. without a human in the papertrail it cant be protected from infringers. if the studios try to cheat, at some point the guilds will bring it to court and ask to see the hundreds of revisions, notes, emails, and general timeline of changes that come from a traditionally written script.

if the execs think that they can come up with the ideas and use ai tools to flesh it out to a treatment level, that is fine. more power to them if they think they have the creative chops.
but if they think they can crank out a script based on a one line text promp "diehard on a spaceship with snakes" and then hand the ai script off to a production company and director to solve all the problems in order to cut out the cost of a human writer then that is not an option.

even if they use the human writer revised ai treatment process i described, the payrates need to be the same regardless of how much less time it took because the ai iterated past all the stupid ideas/problems that crop up at the start. ai can be used to interpolate between all the options in a branching plot so humans can choose the better path, but someone has to make it all work as a whole, which large language models cant do yet.
 

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All of you coders, programmers, and IT people, who's jobs are next inline for AI, good luck with that.

At least I know AI will not be able to put the power supply cabinet back onto the pole that some idiot who cut the corner too sharp and ripped the whole cabinet off the pole, will not replace me.
 

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All of you coders, programmers, and IT people, who's jobs are next inline for AI, good luck with that.

At least I know AI will not be able to put the power supply cabinet back onto the pole that some idiot who cut the corner too sharp and ripped the whole cabinet off the pole, will not replace me.

yeah, sure thing buddy.

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skyking

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Hey, it's a great time to go outside and step away from the tubes. The timing is right.