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Holly sh!t Linux XPdesktop_environment.

That's pretty sweet. As a very part-time Linux user who struggles with the GUI at times, I may have to give this a shot.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I wonder if they're going to run into legal trouble?
Can this project be sued by Microsoft?

We don't know, we are not lawyers. But in any case, we are ready for that. We don't use any of Microsoft's registered trademarks, graphics, logos, or anything. This means someone could create a complete theme that mimics the Windows XP environment - where the dialogs are the same, the controls are positioned in the same places and with the same text.

Maybe that would be illegal, but *we* don't include *copyrighted* material. In the case Microsoft have ownership over (for example) a-dialog-that-shows-running-processes (i.e. TaskManager) and our dialog has the controls in the same positions as the Windows one, we are right now creating the translation system. This translation system will also allow "anyone" to position the controls of any dialog in any place. We can create a version with completely different dialogs (the same controls in different places) and *someone* could create a theme which modifies these controls to the Windows XP places.

But this is not our problem. Could Microsoft have copyrighted an environment like the taskbar concept? Could Microsoft have copyrighted the start menu concept? Could Microsoft have copyrighted the tray icon concept? Could Microsoft have copyrighted the desktop concept? In that case every desktop has a problem ;-)

The solution here is that we are not going to ship a complete Windows XP interface clone out-of-the-box, but it will be so easy to configure that *someone* could make it look *exactly* like the Windows XP interface. We won't provide this configuration.
 
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
That's pretty sweet. As a very part-time Linux user who struggles with the GUI at times, I may have to give this a shot.

serious- especially since it'd help in easing towards linux....I'm definitely going to try this out when i get the time and get my friends to use it and see if they notice the difference at all...

the main thing i'd be interested in would be something to install and uninstall programs and see what is installed in more "simpler" terms
 
My problem with Linux is that I have a lot of difficulties installing the drivers. Such as drivers for my videocard (ati 9800 pro) and drivers for my wireless usb network adapter ( d-link dwl 120a).
 
Originally posted by: badthad
Man, that's awesome IMHO...but, is it stable?

Well, given that it's Linux, I'd bet that it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows... lol. My concern would be how deep does the eye-candy go? Have they made any usability improvements that are worth noting?
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: badthad
Man, that's awesome IMHO...but, is it stable?

Well, given that it's Linux, I'd bet that it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows... lol. My concern would be how deep does the eye-candy go? Have they made any usability improvements that are worth noting?

Probably not much.

it's probably mostly Eye candy stuff. Most of the functionality used in their screen shots are probably normal Linux programs that you can use in KDE or GNOME. Just with different skins on them.

I doubt very little exept for the GUI itself is realy emulating windows behavior. Right , left button behavior, key combinations.. that sort of thing.

For example I realy doubt you could install programs using the Install/Remove programs dialog in the configuration folder. But I suppose they could replicate it's functionality using Synaptic's GUI front end for apt-rpm for Redhat.

But I never tried it myself, so Hell if I know. I am just guessing.
 
Since the LOinux world doesn't have a clue when it comes to usability, this seems to be a step in the right direction. However, if it's only skin deep (which I suspect it is) the average user still won't touch it. 🙁

I remember loading Mandrake several years ago and the first thing I wanted to do after getting it up and running was to change the screen resolution. I couldn't see how to do it so I hit the web looking for help. All I got was a bunch of BS that made no sense to me. I never did figure out how to change the screen resolution but figured that if I was going to run into this much trouble trying to do such a simple thing then I really didn't want Linux after all. I'm sure others have had similar experiences. Without usability, Linux will never amount to anything and MS will have nothing to worry about. 🙁
 
>My concern would be how deep does the eye-candy go? Have they made any usability
> improvements that are worth noting?

They aren't going to change the underlying OS or Xwindows. According to them, they want the interface to be identical to XP. No improvements to Windows. The same menus in the same place with the same items, the same tabs, the same buttons, the same dialogs. The same control panel applets that do the same thing the same way. You would set up the mouse the same way, with the identical functions available.

Well why not? All the functions must be there to set up linux already, it seems to me. Only the way they are controlled would be different.

It has a rationale. We use a standard keyboard, for instance, in spite of the fact the layout doesn't make any sense. It is just easier than learning somebody's "improved" keyboard. (The original idea of the layout was to make it unlikely that a fast typist could jamb the levers of mechanical typewriters. In other words, it is maximally slow and awkward.)

It is a good precaution to do the cloning in a such a way as to avoid being sued. But it isn't Microsoft that has been the problem in this area, or even Xerox, who originated the GUI. It is the totalitarian thugs at Apple, who ripped off the concepts of the Xerox Star. MS has been the opposition to a legal look-and-feel monopoly. Apple shut down everone else with their assaults. MS is the only one with sufficient money to withstand the continual assault year after year. It was only when Apple got in financial straights themselves that they settled with MS. As far as Apple is concerned, the Windows interface still legally belongs to Apple.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Well, given that it's Linux, I'd bet that it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows... lol.

<-- suspects Astaroth33 hasn't used ALSA... or even XFree86...
 
Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Well, given that it's Linux, I'd bet that it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows... lol.

<-- suspects Astaroth33 hasn't used ALSA... or even XFree86...

I don't think I've ever had X crash on me. .. EVER.

But I think he was poking fun at windows more than anything 😉
 
Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Well, given that it's Linux, I'd bet that it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows... lol.

<-- suspects Astaroth33 hasn't used ALSA... or even XFree86...
Both are stable as hell for me, even on a testx kernel.
pffft.
 
Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Well, given that it's Linux, I'd bet that it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows... lol.

<-- suspects Astaroth33 hasn't used ALSA... or even XFree86...
Both are stable as hell for me, even on a testx kernel.
pffft.

Anecdotal evidence and or personal experiences != good argument
 
Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Well, given that it's Linux, I'd bet that it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows... lol.

<-- suspects Astaroth33 hasn't used ALSA... or even XFree86...

screenshot

Running Gnome 2.4 w/Metacity on Gentoo stage 3 (w/o GRP), with the ALSA snd-emu10k1 driver.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33

screenshot

Running Gnome 2.4 w/Metacity on Gentoo stage 3 (w/o GRP), with the ALSA snd-emu10k1 driver.

It just occured to me how far the X desktop scene has come in only the past few years. It wasn't very long ago that screenshots looked like this and this. Compared to your screenshot or maybe one like this, I think it's pretty impressive.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: CTho9305
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Well, given that it's Linux, I'd bet that it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows... lol.

<-- suspects Astaroth33 hasn't used ALSA... or even XFree86...

screenshot

Running Gnome 2.4 w/Metacity on Gentoo stage 3 (w/o GRP), with the ALSA snd-emu10k1 driver.

Heh, I'm sorry you have to suffer so much 😉. ALSA always went staticy after a while for me.
 
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