holly christ! talk about over reaction by these cops.

waggy

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To the 12-year-old friends planning to build themselves a den, the cherry tree seemed an inviting source of material.

But the afternoon adventure turned into a frightening ordeal for Sam Cannon, Amy Higgins and Katy Smith after they climbed into the 20ft tree - then found themselves hauled into a police station and locked in cells for up to two hours.

Their shoes were removed and mugshots, DNA samples and mouth swabs were taken.

Officers told the children they had been seen damaging the tree which is in a wooded area of public land near their homes.

Questioned by police, the scared friends admitted they had broken some loose branches because they had wanted to build a tree house, but said they did not realise what they had done was wrong.

Officers considered charging the children with criminal damage but eventually decided a reprimand - the equivalent of a caution for juveniles - was sufficient.

Although the reprimand does not amount to court action and the children do not have a

criminal record, their details will be kept on file for up to five years.

The parents of the children, who all live in Halesowen, West Midlands, say they are angry with police for treating their children as hardened criminals and accused officers of over-reacting.

The three, who have never been in trouble with the police before, were described as well-behaved and placid by their parents.

Amy's mother, Jacqueline, said

her daughter was left so traumatised by the police action last month she refused to sleep in her bed for a week.

Miss Higgins, 37, an office manager, added: 'Amy was scared bucketloads to be locked up in a cell knowing murderers and rapists have been sat in the same cells. The police action was completely unbalanced. These were children playing in a tree.

'The information taken by the police will be held on record for five years and Amy is worried it could affect her going to college or university.'

Sam's father, Nicholas, 52, said: 'The children did not deserve to be treated in the way they were. A simple ticking-off by officers would have been sufficient.

'The children didn't realise they were doing anything wrong, they didn't deliberately set out to damage the tree.

'Sam's eyes were swollen and red when they let him out of the cell as he had been crying. He is a placid child and has never been in trouble before.

'When I got the phone call from the police to say Sam was in custody I thought he'd done something-like steal something from a shop. I couldn't believe it when he said all he had done was break some loose branches off a tree.

'To detain them, DNA them and treat them that way was simply cruel and an over-reaction by the police. Generations of children have played in that tree and my son and his friends won't be the first to have thought of building a tree den.'

Mr Cannon, who said Sam had difficulty sleeping shortly after the incident, has written to the police to complain about the action taken.

Superintendent Stuart Johnson, operations manager at Halesowen police station, said: 'I support the actions of my officers who responded to complaints from the public about "kids destroying" an ornamental cherry tree by stripping every branch from it, in an area where there have been reports of anti-social behaviour.

'A boy and two girls were arrested and received a police reprimand for their behaviour.

'West Midlands Police deals robustly with anti-social behaviour. By targeting what may seem relatively low-level crime we aim to prevent it developing into more serious matters.'

Rod Morgan, chairman of the Youth Justice Board for England and Wales, said the police action appeared to be unnecessary.

'It's my opinion that too many children are being criminalised for behaviour that could be dealt with informally by ticking them off and speaking to their parents.'





wow. thats just nuts to arrest the kids and then DNA test on them? wtf wow.

edit: just seen it on slashdot also wow.
 

NatePo717

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That's absurd. All the cops had to do was tell the kids to gtf out of the tree. DNA testing for breaking a few branches? I call abuse of powers on this one. The parents should take this to court.
 
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The children didn't realise they were doing anything wrong, they didn't deliberately set out to damage the tree.

Technically, yes they did.

BTW, WTF is a "tree den", I assume it's a tree house???

And a "placid kid", there exists no such thing unless it's a medicated kid.


And the fact of the matter is, none of us were there, so we don't know that these "placid kids" weren't in fact "ripping every branch off the tree" like the reports that came in said.

I have a feeling theres more to this than is being let on and that if the parents keep digging they might find out the cops were being a bit more fair than they should have. The cops probably wanted to just scare the kids into not doing stupid sh1t. The cops problem is this looks bad, because "those sweet innocent kids would NEVER do anything wrong" so it could possibly backfire.
 

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I got handcuffed for burning some garbage in a barrel when I was 13. Turns out the officer though I needed a burn permit......but the city was activly encouraging burning cardboard at the time and there was no law against it. Even if you are trying to scare the kids, putting them in jail for 2 hours is overkill. Talking to a cop itself is enough to scare most 12 year olds.
 

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Sounds like the cops overreacted a bit.... but it also sounds like the parents are, too.

What parents don't describe the kids as being perfect saints who would never harm a fly? And the fact that one of the parents states that their 12-year old daughter is worried about not getting into college (which is more then 5 years away) over this is just plain laughable.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: QED
Sounds like the cops overreacted a bit.... but it also sounds like the parents are, too.

What parents don't describe the kids as being perfect saints who would never harm a fly? And the fact that one of the parents states that their 12-year old daughter is worried about not getting into college (which is more then 5 years away) over this is just plain laughable.

not really. i know 2 kids around 12 that are already planning for college. they know what ones they want to go and trying to get everything together (since you need more then good grades for some).

i can see a 12yr old worried about how this will effect her college choice.
 

imported_Zeke

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Originally posted by: QED
Sounds like the cops overreacted a bit.... but it also sounds like the parents are, too.

What parents don't describe the kids as being perfect saints who would never harm a fly? And the fact that one of the parents states that their 12-year old daughter is worried about not getting into college (which is more then 5 years away) over this is just plain laughable.

!2 years olds worry about college all the time. Its a competative world out there. Not that this will effect it in any way, it might even make good essay material ;) And my parents would never describe me as a perfect saint.
 

Eeezee

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Putting them in jail was a bit much. Taking them to the station and giving them a good talking to would have been enough.
 

QED

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: QED
Sounds like the cops overreacted a bit.... but it also sounds like the parents are, too.

What parents don't describe the kids as being perfect saints who would never harm a fly? And the fact that one of the parents states that their 12-year old daughter is worried about not getting into college (which is more then 5 years away) over this is just plain laughable.

not really. i know 2 kids around 12 that are already planning for college. they know what ones they want to go and trying to get everything together (since you need more then good grades for some).

i can see a 12yr old worried about how this will effect her college choice.

Then you know 2 kids who really need to get a life.

12 years old is, what? 6th grade? If you are in 6th grade and so concerned about college you shouldn't be out destroying other people's property...

 

Zysoclaplem

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Somehow I doubt the cops did everything they did because of some kids in a tree.
Something is fishy here.
 

imported_Zeke

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Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: QED
Sounds like the cops overreacted a bit.... but it also sounds like the parents are, too.

What parents don't describe the kids as being perfect saints who would never harm a fly? And the fact that one of the parents states that their 12-year old daughter is worried about not getting into college (which is more then 5 years away) over this is just plain laughable.

not really. i know 2 kids around 12 that are already planning for college. they know what ones they want to go and trying to get everything together (since you need more then good grades for some).

i can see a 12yr old worried about how this will effect her college choice.

Then you know 2 kids who really need to get a life.

12 years old is, what? 6th grade? If you are in 6th grade and so concerned about college you shouldn't be out destroying other people's property...

Parents and teachers pressure kids younger than that into worrying about college. And we have two differing reports in the article on what acutally happend to this tree, I would say on balance "destroying other peoples property" is a bit extreme.
 

imported_Zeke

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Somehow I doubt the cops did everything they did because of some kids in a tree.
Something is fishy here.

Perhaps they were suspected of terorism like the high shcool girls who hung up the mario question boxes?