Holiday shopping starts weak - Walmart cuts projected sales increases from the 2 to 4% range to .7%

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Side note: I stood in line at OfficeMax (like a dumb@ss :p) and the only thing people were buying were the free after rebate items. There were lines 150 feet long throughout the store to get those items. I wonder if the only items to sell anywhere were the loss leader door busters? Your experience and comments?

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Tepid 2 day start to holiday shopping season! :(
 

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It could just be an indicator of consumer confidence in Walmart, as opposed to meaning anything else. If so, then that makes me a happy camper!
 

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eh, i dont think its going to be an indicator, the home depot i work at was packed on black friday and yesterday, and probably will be today as well.
 

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Originally posted by: Genesys
eh, i dont think its going to be an indicator, the home depot i work at was packed on black friday and yesterday, and probably will be today as well.


But Walmart was packed also. People just didn't buy as much as expected. All stores were packed. The only store I went to was packed (see above), just people bought the Free after rebate stuff. It will show a short term boost in sales for them, until the rebates start shipping (assumig they send them ;) )
 

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Genesys
eh, i dont think its going to be an indicator, the home depot i work at was packed on black friday and yesterday, and probably will be today as well.


But Walmart was packed also. People just didn't buy as much as expected. All stores were packed. The only store I went to was packed (see above), just people bought the Free after rebate stuff. It will show a short term boost in sales for them, until the rebates start shipping (assumig they send them ;) )

I think stores will soon realize that those loss leaders they use as bait to attract customers, only attract those that are looking for deals.
 

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Genesys
eh, i dont think its going to be an indicator, the home depot i work at was packed on black friday and yesterday, and probably will be today as well.


But Walmart was packed also. People just didn't buy as much as expected. All stores were packed. The only store I went to was packed (see above), just people bought the Free after rebate stuff. It will show a short term boost in sales for them, until the rebates start shipping (assumig they send them ;) )
I do hope you realize that isolated instances of you observing one store really has very little to do with a companys success.......just had to enter that in there.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
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Side note: I stood in line at OfficeMax (like a dumb@ss :p) and the only thing people were buying were the free after rebate items. There were lines 150 feet long throughout the store to get those items. I wonder if the only items to sell anywhere were the loss leader door busters? Your experience and comments?



I stayed away from the stores on black friday, but it could just be that people are shopping at higher end stores this year. I am sure more details will be in by the end of the week.
 

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
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Side note: I stood in line at OfficeMax (like a dumb@ss :p) and the only thing people were buying were the free after rebate items. There were lines 150 feet long throughout the store to get those items. I wonder if the only items to sell anywhere were the loss leader door busters? Your experience and comments?



I stayed away from the stores on black friday, but it could just be that people are shopping at higher end stores this year. I am sure more details will be in by the end of the week.

I stayed away from Walmart this year as well. I just had sooo much cash, I travelled to L.A. and shopped on Rodeo Drive. :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: Farvacola
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Genesys
eh, i dont think its going to be an indicator, the home depot i work at was packed on black friday and yesterday, and probably will be today as well.


But Walmart was packed also. People just didn't buy as much as expected. All stores were packed. The only store I went to was packed (see above), just people bought the Free after rebate stuff. It will show a short term boost in sales for them, until the rebates start shipping (assumig they send them ;) )
I do hope you realize that isolated instances of you observing one store really has very little to do with a companys success.......just had to enter that in there.

I know. The television views from around the country also showed many stores packed. There was, according to CNN, a record number of shoppers on Friday (75 million), but the sales, at least at Walmart, missed expectations. I guess we'll see how the rest turn out. I'm hoping for a better season.

 

dahunan

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Even Wal-Mart shoppers can become edumacated ;) They are learning to shop online and Wal-Mart online leaves a lot to be desired... SO.. they took their business elsewhere
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Farvacola
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Genesys
eh, i dont think its going to be an indicator, the home depot i work at was packed on black friday and yesterday, and probably will be today as well.


But Walmart was packed also. People just didn't buy as much as expected. All stores were packed. The only store I went to was packed (see above), just people bought the Free after rebate stuff. It will show a short term boost in sales for them, until the rebates start shipping (assumig they send them ;) )
I do hope you realize that isolated instances of you observing one store really has very little to do with a companys success.......just had to enter that in there.

I know. The television views from around the country also showed many stores packed. There was, according to CNN, a record number of shoppers on Friday (75 million), but the sales, at least at Walmart, missed expectations. I guess we'll see how the rest turn out. I'm hoping for a better season.



Walmart has always invested heavily in IT, and they usually can have results out with 24 hours of the shopping day. Most other store lag quite a bit behind in reporting the same results.
 

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http://cbs.marketwatch.com/new...;dist=google&dist=

In an early sign that buying will be strong this year, Visa USA said Saturday that the total of its credit and debit card transactions was more than $4.1 billion, up 15.5 percent from the same day last year.
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ShopperTrak RCT, which measures store traffic for clients, said it saw a 10.8 percent rise in its national retail sales estimate from the same Friday of 2003. Sales were estimated at $8 billion.
 

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Originally posted by: klah
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/new...;dist=google&dist=

In an early sign that buying will be strong this year, Visa USA said Saturday that the total of its credit and debit card transactions was more than $4.1 billion, up 15.5 percent from the same day last year.
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ShopperTrak RCT, which measures store traffic for clients, said it saw a 10.8 percent rise in its national retail sales estimate from the same Friday of 2003. Sales were estimated at $8 billion.

:)

I read that the average household creditcard debt had actually fallen from 2002 to 2003, mainly because of refiancing of homes (extra equity). Hopefully, these Visa sales aren't people piling it back on, but rather spending a tad of their savings or extra money. ;)

 

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Walmart deals seemed kind of crappy this year imho. Only thing I noticed that was a good deal was the Holiday Xbox bundle with 3 games. Picked one up for my nephew, and they sold out pretty quick. Found much better deals at sears and radio shack this year.
 

glenn1

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Looks like Wall Street is starting to turn a cold shoulder to Walmart also... check out this article from thestreet.com... (article link not included because it requires subscription)

When I first went to Arkansas and saw Wal-Mart (WMT:NYSE - commentary - research) in 1980, I knew that a fierce competitor was coming the nation's way. You had nice, clean stores, a good array of merchandise and extraordinarily low prices. But you couldn't convince a soul in the Northeast, where there were no Wal-Marts, that Wal-Mart was going to wipe out everyone from Ames to Kmart (KMRT:Nasdaq - commentary - research) to Bradlees to Woolworth to Caldor to Jamesway. No, those were entrenched chains that had loyalty and bargains and were considered viable, growing businesses with decent brands and fine stores.

By the time Wal-Mart was ready to come East, it handily destroyed those competitors, both on price and selection, and the game was over.

Now Wal-Mart is considered invincible by everyone. The Northeast intelligentsia, who still never shop there, refuse even to think that Wal-Mart can be beaten. The intelligentsia think that Wal-Mart is going to crush everyone else that is left, and that it is just a matter of time before it happens.

Which is why, for the umpteenth month, the intelligentsia are willing to overlook another horrible Wal-Mart number from the biggest weekend in shopping. Which is why the intelligentsia are willing to say that the economy must be bad -- I mean, how else could Wal-Mart miss its numbers so badly?

Maybe it's my Pennsylvanian sensibilities -- the red state part of Pennsylvania, where I lived and shopped at Wal-Mart for many years -- but I have to tell you that I think Wal-Mart's problems are uniquely Wal-Mart's. Management hasn't changed the look or feel of the stores in decades. The stores are dowdy. The aisles are ugly. There's nothing exciting or different or even colorful at Wal-Mart. It feels almost Soviet in its selection and presentation.

Now, when I go to Target (TGT:NYSE - commentary - research), I feel pampered and turned on about the merchandise. I can't get the kids to go to a Wal-Mart, but a Target Greatland? All aboard. Wal-Mart is, quite frankly, a depressing place to shop, a place that reminds me of where I had to go when I didn't have a lot of money.

I think that most Americans -- despite what the intelligentsia say -- also feel that if they are doing well, they don't have to go to Wal-Mart. They would rather go to Target. If they want bargains, they would rather go to Costco (COST:Nasdaq - commentary - research) or BJ's (BJ:NYSE - commentary - research). If they want electronics, they would like to go to Best Buy (BBY:NYSE - commentary - research). If they want hardware and outdoor stuff, they would rather go to Lowe's (LOW:NYSE - commentary - research) or Home Depot (HD:NYSE - commentary - research). They all are better shopping experiences than Wal-Mart.

It is fitting that the intelligentsia -- who, again, never shop at Wal-Mart -- now are telling me that Wal-Mart's weakness is America's weakness. That same false tell has gone on for almost two years now, and yet the intelligentsia are unmoved. I'm not. Wal-Mart's weaknesses allowed me to see Kmart and Target, and capture some of those moves. It allowed me to talk about Home Depot and Lowe's to my radio listeners. It allows me to avoid the myopic view that the country can't be doing well because Wal-Mart is not doing well.

So, like the intelligentsia in the 1980s who didn't see Wal-Mart coming, the intelligentsia in the 2000s can't see it is foundering. Wal-Mart is too strong financially to ever truly get in trouble. But if it doesn't get some panache or some joie de vivre, I think it will report numbers very similar to this weekend's for some time to come.

And the other guys will win.



 

SuperTool

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Is intelligentsia bashing the new great american past time? It was in the USSR, and it didn't do them much good.
I do agree that TGT > WMT, but intelligentsia has known that for ages. It's not the intelligentsia shopping at Walmart. There is a reason in Silicon Valley there are probably 5 or more Targets for every Walmart. And yes, when I first moved down here, I shopped at Walmart. But it only took one trip to Target for me to stop and realize that bottom dollar price is not everything. For some people it is, and they shop at Walmart, and more power to them. But it's the intelligentsia that places value on their time and subjective areas. At Target I feel like a respected customer. A clean well organized and designed store without huge crowds and ample parking. At Walmart I feel like cattle at a trough. First I am waiting for the parking spot. Then I wade through trying to find what I need amongst piles of useless junk, trying to not bump into any people. Then I am waiting in a huge line to pay, and the final indignity of the day treated like a criminal and having the clerk at the exit check my bags and receipt. It's not worth the time and the stress.
 

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Then I am waiting in a huge line to pay, and the final indignity of the day treated like a criminal and having the clerk at the exit check my bags and receipt. It's not worth the time and the stress.

But but but this is what America wants, they wanted to abolish all small businesses and replace with Wally World, sorry you're stuck with them now. Too bad.
 

AFB

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Niemira said discounters are likely to have a hard time this holiday season because the lower-end customer has been the most hurt by rising gasoline prices. Luxury stores are expected to do the best, and "everything in the middle is anybody's game," he said.

Not supprised.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Then I am waiting in a huge line to pay, and the final indignity of the day treated like a criminal and having the clerk at the exit check my bags and receipt. It's not worth the time and the stress.

But but but this is what America wants, they wanted to abolish all small businesses and replace with Wally World, sorry you're stuck with them now. Too bad.

Well, Target isn't exactly small business. I don't generally shop at small businesses myself, aside from local bike shops.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I don't know where they are getting the money but I saw folks buying $30,000 Hitachi and Sony TV's here.

Must be all the Church donations. <shrugs>

they make 30,000 tv's? people buy them? wtf?

Originally posted by: Staples
Good, hopefully it is because less people shot at walmart.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: glenn1
Looks like Wall Street is starting to turn a cold shoulder to Walmart also... check out this article from thestreet.com... (article link not included because it requires subscription)

When I first went to Arkansas and saw Wal-Mart (WMT:NYSE - commentary - research) in 1980, I knew that a fierce competitor was coming the nation's way. You had nice, clean stores, a good array of merchandise and extraordinarily low prices. But you couldn't convince a soul in the Northeast, where there were no Wal-Marts, that Wal-Mart was going to wipe out everyone from Ames to Kmart (KMRT:Nasdaq - commentary - research) to Bradlees to Woolworth to Caldor to Jamesway. No, those were entrenched chains that had loyalty and bargains and were considered viable, growing businesses with decent brands and fine stores.

By the time Wal-Mart was ready to come East, it handily destroyed those competitors, both on price and selection, and the game was over.

Now Wal-Mart is considered invincible by everyone. The Northeast intelligentsia, who still never shop there, refuse even to think that Wal-Mart can be beaten. The intelligentsia think that Wal-Mart is going to crush everyone else that is left, and that it is just a matter of time before it happens.

Which is why, for the umpteenth month, the intelligentsia are willing to overlook another horrible Wal-Mart number from the biggest weekend in shopping. Which is why the intelligentsia are willing to say that the economy must be bad -- I mean, how else could Wal-Mart miss its numbers so badly?

Maybe it's my Pennsylvanian sensibilities -- the red state part of Pennsylvania, where I lived and shopped at Wal-Mart for many years -- but I have to tell you that I think Wal-Mart's problems are uniquely Wal-Mart's. Management hasn't changed the look or feel of the stores in decades. The stores are dowdy. The aisles are ugly. There's nothing exciting or different or even colorful at Wal-Mart. It feels almost Soviet in its selection and presentation.

Now, when I go to Target (TGT:NYSE - commentary - research), I feel pampered and turned on about the merchandise. I can't get the kids to go to a Wal-Mart, but a Target Greatland? All aboard. Wal-Mart is, quite frankly, a depressing place to shop, a place that reminds me of where I had to go when I didn't have a lot of money.

I think that most Americans -- despite what the intelligentsia say -- also feel that if they are doing well, they don't have to go to Wal-Mart. They would rather go to Target. If they want bargains, they would rather go to Costco (COST:Nasdaq - commentary - research) or BJ's (BJ:NYSE - commentary - research). If they want electronics, they would like to go to Best Buy (BBY:NYSE - commentary - research). If they want hardware and outdoor stuff, they would rather go to Lowe's (LOW:NYSE - commentary - research) or Home Depot (HD:NYSE - commentary - research). They all are better shopping experiences than Wal-Mart.

It is fitting that the intelligentsia -- who, again, never shop at Wal-Mart -- now are telling me that Wal-Mart's weakness is America's weakness. That same false tell has gone on for almost two years now, and yet the intelligentsia are unmoved. I'm not. Wal-Mart's weaknesses allowed me to see Kmart and Target, and capture some of those moves. It allowed me to talk about Home Depot and Lowe's to my radio listeners. It allows me to avoid the myopic view that the country can't be doing well because Wal-Mart is not doing well.

So, like the intelligentsia in the 1980s who didn't see Wal-Mart coming, the intelligentsia in the 2000s can't see it is foundering. Wal-Mart is too strong financially to ever truly get in trouble. But if it doesn't get some panache or some joie de vivre, I think it will report numbers very similar to this weekend's for some time to come.

And the other guys will win.

again :thumbsup:

I will revel in the deaththrows of the beast.:evil: muahahaha

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Then I am waiting in a huge line to pay, and the final indignity of the day treated like a criminal and having the clerk at the exit check my bags and receipt. It's not worth the time and the stress.

But but but this is what America wants, they wanted to abolish all small businesses and replace with Wally World, sorry you're stuck with them now. Too bad.

I think this line of posting you've been on needs a rest. It's time to move on.