hmmmm about Jesus...

[NL5]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5
Here is an article that PROVES the ressurection -

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=5

Are you fvcking serious? This is the FIRST time I've EVER heard of guards being placed at the tomb. Do Christians just make sh!t up as they go along? But let's pretend that guards were placed there. Wouldn't you think the guards would have been in shock to see the boulder being moved by one person and they would have DEFINITELY been in shock to see Jesus walk out. Wouldn't the word have made it back to Rome and its leaders? The leaders would have definitely taken the guards words seriously. It most likely wouldn't have been that he has resurrected, but that he is still alive and has escaped. The Romans I'm sure would have begun a man hunt then for Jesus. Since the word from the guards made it back to Rome, I'm sure this would have also been WELL documented, not just in The Bible. But we have no such documentation. So your little article actually PROVES Jesus did NOT resurrect. NO such events happened. Sorry buddy. Nice try.

Jesus Christ, can you Christians think things through a little bit before making sh!t up?

I think your sarcasm meter is broken

That article had no "proof" whatsoever.......

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: TeeJay1952
When ever I see 'Chaplins" in the military, I get confused. Christ wouldn't have pulled a sword (or bomb) on anybody but I see Chaplins blessing planes going on a bombing run. Doesn't seem right to me but then I am an atheist.

Every time I seen Chaplins in the military, I get confused, too. Didn't Charlie die childless?

There's nothing morally wrong with war in self-defense, and even warriors need someone to read them their last rites.

 

[thoro86]

Originally posted by: huberm

Jesus was indeed real and there is quite a bit of evidence to support that He was the Messiah. Check out this book for more info (it was written by an atheist):

The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel

Also, if you read the Old Testament, there is prophecy everywhere about Jesus. The Old Testament was written long before Jesus was born - how do you suppose that happened?

Oh please... that's what a preacher told you. How do you know if it's true? Were you even there when the old testamen was written??

 

[thoro86]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I sometimes wonder if Jesus came back around and read some of the things about him he would step back and say "WTF? When did I say/do that?"

There is no historical proof that Jesus could read.

No, but did you know that Adam spoke EVERY language on earth!

Oh really?? Have you ever spoken to him yourself?? Did you know my great great grandfather can speak every language on earth including every hip hop slank in the states??

 

[everman]

He was pretty badass, against 'the man' and all that

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5
Here is an article that PROVES the ressurection -

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=5

Are you fvcking serious? This is the FIRST time I've EVER heard of guards being placed at the tomb. Do Christians just make sh!t up as they go along? But let's pretend that guards were placed there. Wouldn't you think the guards would have been in shock to see the boulder being moved by one person and they would have DEFINITELY been in shock to see Jesus walk out. Wouldn't the word have made it back to Rome and its leaders? The leaders would have definitely taken the guards words seriously. It most likely wouldn't have been that he has resurrected, but that he is still alive and has escaped. The Romans I'm sure would have begun a man hunt then for Jesus. Since the word from the guards made it back to Rome, I'm sure this would have also been WELL documented, not just in The Bible. But we have no such documentation. So your little article actually PROVES Jesus did NOT resurrect. NO such events happened. Sorry buddy. Nice try.

Jesus Christ, can you Christians think things through a little bit before making sh!t up?

I think your sarcasm meter is broken

That article had no "proof" whatsoever.......

Sarcasm meters are rendered useless in religious discussions. What you pointed out as sarcasm, is pretty much what huberm was stating as proof of the Messiah. You were joking with your post, but apparently you haven't seen the "proof" Christians are always throwing out. Some of them try to throw out "proof" that dinosaurs didn't exist. Obviously with a ridiculous claim like that, you'd think they were obviously joking. But no, they're being dead serious.

Sorry for the confusion NL5.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: thoro86

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I sometimes wonder if Jesus came back around and read some of the things about him he would step back and say "WTF? When did I say/do that?"

There is no historical proof that Jesus could read.

No, but did you know that Adam spoke EVERY language on earth!

Oh really?? Have you ever spoken to him yourself?? Did you know my great great grandfather can speak every language on earth including every hip hop slank in the states??

Thoro, I think Brutuskend was joking. Adam was considered the first human by Biblical accounts, so whatever his language, it was the only language on earth. Which would also mean that he spoke every language on earth.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: thoro86

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
No, but did you know that Adam spoke EVERY language on earth!

Oh really?? Have you ever spoken to him yourself?? Did you know my great great grandfather can speak every language on earth including every hip hop slank in the states??

WHOOSH! :disgust:

 

[Dumac]

I think the general philosophies and ideals that Christ supposedly taught are great; people just get too caught up in all the mumbo-jumbo that is delivered with it.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5
Here is an article that PROVES the ressurection -

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=5

Are you fvcking serious? This is the FIRST time I've EVER heard of guards being placed at the tomb. Do Christians just make sh!t up as they go along? But let's pretend that guards were placed there. Wouldn't you think the guards would have been in shock to see the boulder being moved by one person and they would have DEFINITELY been in shock to see Jesus walk out. Wouldn't the word have made it back to Rome and its leaders? The leaders would have definitely taken the guards words seriously. It most likely wouldn't have been that he has resurrected, but that he is still alive and has escaped. The Romans I'm sure would have begun a man hunt then for Jesus. Since the word from the guards made it back to Rome, I'm sure this would have also been WELL documented, not just in The Bible. But we have no such documentation. So your little article actually PROVES Jesus did NOT resurrect. NO such events happened. Sorry buddy. Nice try.

Jesus Christ, can you Christians think things through a little bit before making sh!t up?

I think your sarcasm meter is broken

That article had no "proof" whatsoever.......

Sarcasm meters are rendered useless in religious discussions. What you pointed out as sarcasm, is pretty much what huberm was stating as proof of the Messiah. You were joking with your post, but apparently you haven't seen the "proof" Christians are always throwing out. Some of them try to throw out "proof" that dinosaurs didn't exist. Obviously with a ridiculous claim like that, you'd think they were obviously joking. But no, they're being dead serious.

Sorry for the confusion NL5.

That was kinda my point - I constantly here about "proof" from many Christians - fact is, there is NO proof whatsoever. I found the article I linked quite amusing. I don't see one shred of "validation" in that article....

Oh, and BTW, dinasaurs DID exist - they lived alongside man about 5,000 years ago...

 

[huberm]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: huberm

Jesus was indeed real and there is quite a bit of evidence to support that He was the Messiah. Check out this book for more info (it was written by an atheist):

The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel

Also, if you read the Old Testament, there is prophecy everywhere about Jesus. The Old Testament was written long before Jesus was born - how do you suppose that happened?

Please cut the crap. Lee Strobel is not an Atheist. He says he USED to be an Atheist until he found Christ, so that makes him a Christian now (I quite frankly don't believe he used to be an Atheist though). He was just an out of control drunk and apparently couldn't control his own life and needed a crutch (Christianity) to get by. The guy is a fvcking moron. I recently picked apart one of his moronic seminars someone gave me to listen through just to see if what this guy was saying was legit. Surprise surprise, the guy is a moron. His little seminar was full of contradictions and just flat out moronic statements that ONLY someone that believed in this garbage would buy.

Strobel mentions fulfillment of the prophecies. Unfortunately, the prophecies are so vague ANYONE could have fulfilled them. But let's view this from a different angle. If the Old Testament was really the word of God, and Jesus was really the son of God, EVERY prophocies should be fulfilled, correct?

Micah 5:5 - And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
Micah 5:6 ? And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

Sounds like Jesus forgot to ?waste the land of Assyria with the sword.? So either the Old Testament wasn't the word of God, or Jesus wasn't the son of God. You take your pick. Either way, the prophecy wasn't fulfilled. And no, there is NO evidence Jesus was the Messiah, son of God or a person with any extraordinary powers.

Strobel is the "used car salesman" of Christianity. And anyone that falls for his bullsh!t, is just a weak minded individual that is either too lazy or too afraid to look at his "evidence" and see that it is completely unfounded.

Hi,
Those verses have a couple of meanings:
1)refers to the deliverance of Hezekiah and his kingdom from the power of
Sennacherib, who invaded them.
2)under the shadow of #1, it is a promise of the safety of the gospel-church and of all
believers from the designs and attempts of the powers of darkness, that seek to
destroy the church of Jesus.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy Lee Strobel's book. But, I'm sure there are many people that would enjoy it as well. And you're right, he is no longer an atheist, his investigation pursuaded him to become a Christian.

As far as the prophecies being vague, I would like to see an example to support this. Even if a few were vague, there are 1,093 prophecies in the OT fulfilled by Jesus and His church, and 50 specific prophecies fulfilled in Jesus.

 

[huberm]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5
Here is an article that PROVES the ressurection -

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=5

Are you fvcking serious? This is the FIRST time I've EVER heard of guards being placed at the tomb. Do Christians just make sh!t up as they go along? But let's pretend that guards were placed there. Wouldn't you think the guards would have been in shock to see the boulder being moved by one person and they would have DEFINITELY been in shock to see Jesus walk out. Wouldn't the word have made it back to Rome and its leaders? The leaders would have definitely taken the guards words seriously. It most likely wouldn't have been that he has resurrected, but that he is still alive and has escaped. The Romans I'm sure would have begun a man hunt then for Jesus. Since the word from the guards made it back to Rome, I'm sure this would have also been WELL documented, not just in The Bible. But we have no such documentation. So your little article actually PROVES Jesus did NOT resurrect. NO such events happened. Sorry buddy. Nice try.

Jesus Christ, can you Christians think things through a little bit before making sh!t up?

Josephus, a very famous historian at the time, recorded some info on this. And he didn't believe in Jesus being the Messiah.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: huberm

As far as the prophecies being vague, I would like to see an example to support this. Even if a few were vague, there are 1,093 prophecies in the OT fulfilled by Jesus and His church, and 50 specific prophecies fulfilled in Jesus.

How many of these prohecies were included in the Torah?( and the other Jewish Biblical texts)

 

[dighn]

since I don't believe in God but think Jesus probably was a real person, yes that's what I think happened. he would not be the only ancient person to have been "mythified"

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5
Here is an article that PROVES the ressurection -

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=5

Are you fvcking serious? This is the FIRST time I've EVER heard of guards being placed at the tomb. Do Christians just make sh!t up as they go along? But let's pretend that guards were placed there. Wouldn't you think the guards would have been in shock to see the boulder being moved by one person and they would have DEFINITELY been in shock to see Jesus walk out. Wouldn't the word have made it back to Rome and its leaders? The leaders would have definitely taken the guards words seriously. It most likely wouldn't have been that he has resurrected, but that he is still alive and has escaped. The Romans I'm sure would have begun a man hunt then for Jesus. Since the word from the guards made it back to Rome, I'm sure this would have also been WELL documented, not just in The Bible. But we have no such documentation. So your little article actually PROVES Jesus did NOT resurrect. NO such events happened. Sorry buddy. Nice try.

Jesus Christ, can you Christians think things through a little bit before making sh!t up?

I think your sarcasm meter is broken

That article had no "proof" whatsoever.......

Sarcasm meters are rendered useless in religious discussions. What you pointed out as sarcasm, is pretty much what huberm was stating as proof of the Messiah. You were joking with your post, but apparently you haven't seen the "proof" Christians are always throwing out. Some of them try to throw out "proof" that dinosaurs didn't exist. Obviously with a ridiculous claim like that, you'd think they were obviously joking. But no, they're being dead serious.

Sorry for the confusion NL5.

That was kinda my point - I constantly here about "proof" from many Christians - fact is, there is NO proof whatsoever. I found the article I linked quite amusing. I don't see one shred of "validation" in that article....

Oh, and BTW, dinasaurs DID exist - they lived alongside man about 5,000 years ago...

therein lies faith. i don't have to taste dog crap to know it taste bad.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5
Here is an article that PROVES the ressurection -

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=5

Are you fvcking serious? This is the FIRST time I've EVER heard of guards being placed at the tomb. Do Christians just make sh!t up as they go along? But let's pretend that guards were placed there. Wouldn't you think the guards would have been in shock to see the boulder being moved by one person and they would have DEFINITELY been in shock to see Jesus walk out. Wouldn't the word have made it back to Rome and its leaders? The leaders would have definitely taken the guards words seriously. It most likely wouldn't have been that he has resurrected, but that he is still alive and has escaped. The Romans I'm sure would have begun a man hunt then for Jesus. Since the word from the guards made it back to Rome, I'm sure this would have also been WELL documented, not just in The Bible. But we have no such documentation. So your little article actually PROVES Jesus did NOT resurrect. NO such events happened. Sorry buddy. Nice try.

Jesus Christ, can you Christians think things through a little bit before making sh!t up?

I think your sarcasm meter is broken

That article had no "proof" whatsoever.......

Sarcasm meters are rendered useless in religious discussions. What you pointed out as sarcasm, is pretty much what huberm was stating as proof of the Messiah. You were joking with your post, but apparently you haven't seen the "proof" Christians are always throwing out. Some of them try to throw out "proof" that dinosaurs didn't exist. Obviously with a ridiculous claim like that, you'd think they were obviously joking. But no, they're being dead serious.

Sorry for the confusion NL5.

That was kinda my point - I constantly here about "proof" from many Christians - fact is, there is NO proof whatsoever. I found the article I linked quite amusing. I don't see one shred of "validation" in that article....

Oh, and BTW, dinasaurs DID exist - they lived alongside man about 5,000 years ago...

therein lies faith. i don't have to taste dog crap to know it taste bad.

Huh? That doesn't even make any sense.........

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: NL5
Here is an article that PROVES the ressurection -

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=5

Are you fvcking serious? This is the FIRST time I've EVER heard of guards being placed at the tomb. Do Christians just make sh!t up as they go along? But let's pretend that guards were placed there. Wouldn't you think the guards would have been in shock to see the boulder being moved by one person and they would have DEFINITELY been in shock to see Jesus walk out. Wouldn't the word have made it back to Rome and its leaders? The leaders would have definitely taken the guards words seriously. It most likely wouldn't have been that he has resurrected, but that he is still alive and has escaped. The Romans I'm sure would have begun a man hunt then for Jesus. Since the word from the guards made it back to Rome, I'm sure this would have also been WELL documented, not just in The Bible. But we have no such documentation. So your little article actually PROVES Jesus did NOT resurrect. NO such events happened. Sorry buddy. Nice try.

Jesus Christ, can you Christians think things through a little bit before making sh!t up?

I think your sarcasm meter is broken

That article had no "proof" whatsoever.......

Sarcasm meters are rendered useless in religious discussions. What you pointed out as sarcasm, is pretty much what huberm was stating as proof of the Messiah. You were joking with your post, but apparently you haven't seen the "proof" Christians are always throwing out. Some of them try to throw out "proof" that dinosaurs didn't exist. Obviously with a ridiculous claim like that, you'd think they were obviously joking. But no, they're being dead serious.

Sorry for the confusion NL5.

That was kinda my point - I constantly here about "proof" from many Christians - fact is, there is NO proof whatsoever. I found the article I linked quite amusing. I don't see one shred of "validation" in that article....

Oh, and BTW, dinasaurs DID exist - they lived alongside man about 5,000 years ago...

therein lies faith. i don't have to taste dog crap to know it taste bad.

Huh? That doesn't even make any sense.........

I don't need proof to know that Jesus exists, is God, is the savior, or whatever. Just like I don't need proof to know that dog crap is nasty.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

I don't need proof .

Ahhhh, so you agree with me then. Cool.

 

[dandruff]

:laugh:

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: nkgreen

I don't need proof .

Ahhhh, so you agree with me then. Cool.

About the proof, yes. I don't need some whackjob that doesn't believe in dinosaurs to tell me Jesus exists. I know he exists, just like dinosaurs.

 

[sandorski]

According to a recent book on the Bible(New Testament), at least one story(about Mary Magdalene) doesn't even appear in any Manuscripts until almost 1000 years AD. IIRC, it was the story about her being brought before Jesus as an Adulterer.

Overall, I agree with the OP. Jesus would be shocked, dismayed, pissed off, and confused at what has become of his life/work. I think he'd kick some ass and get re-crucified(of sorts) by those who claim him as something special(about the only thing I can agree on with many Christians).

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
I don't need proof to know that Jesus exists, is God, is the savior, or whatever. Just like I don't need proof to know that dog crap is nasty.

LOL, that is great. I'm glad you don't need all that "proof" and "logic" garbage to make your decisions. That junk just gets in the way. Good man. :thumbsup:

 

[AbAbber2k]

The proof is in the pudding.

 

[tyler811]

Another Jesus thread for the masses