Hmmm I think I just lost one of the most statistically improbable hands in poker

[RaynorWolfcastle]

I'm in the big blind and I'm dealt Kd 4h, every one folds to the SB who completes. I raise, and the SB calls.

Flop comes:
4c 5d Kh

He bets, I raise, he calls

Turn is Th

He checks, I bet, he raises, I 3-bet, he calls.

River is Td
He checks, I check (I was almost certain he had a ten).
He shows Ts 4d for a full house, Tens full of Fours, beating my two pair.

I checked the probabilities with a card calculator: after the flop I was a 99.71% favorite. Thankfully the pot wasn't too big, because I would have flipped out if it was a big pot.


Also, for those of you wondering how my paying for spring break thing is going, I hadn't played in a couple of months because I was too busy in the lab. I think I'm up about $100 total, nowhere near my goal.

 

[ntdz]

I just lost a $25 buy in tournament when some jackass called my all in on the flop with ace high (after I flop trips) and goes runner runner for a flush.

 

[AStar617]

he called your pre-flop raise with 10-4 offsuit AND your raise with lowest pair and a king showing? wtf... bad beat.

Were your raises weak (less than 3x current bet)?

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Unfortunately, I see that kind of thing far too often. Once in awhile I'll also see some douchebag call an all-in on the flop with something like Ah 3c against AA and win when four hearts hit the table. It makes me want to punch them through my monitor.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: AStar617
he called your pre-flop raise with 10-4 offsuit AND your raise with lowest pair and a king showing? wtf... bad beat.

Were your raises weak (less than 3x current bet)?

This was limit poker.

 

[Eska]

how many flip flops?

 

[AStar617]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: AStar617
he called your pre-flop raise with 10-4 offsuit AND your raise with lowest pair and a king showing? wtf... bad beat.

Were your raises weak (less than 3x current bet)?

This was limit poker.

This is exactly why I don't play limit poker anymore... it's usually too cheap for people *not* to hang around and see what cards they can catch. At least he had a piece after the flop, but calling a raise with 10-4 offsuit pre-flop? again, wtf.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I'm in the big blind and I'm dealt Kd 4h, every one folds to the SB who completes. I raise, and the SB calls.

Flop comes:
4c 5d Kh

He bets, I raise, he calls

Turn is Th

He checks, I bet, he raises, I 3-bet, he calls.

River is Td
He checks, I check (I was almost certain he had a ten).
He shows Ts 4d for a full house, Tens full of Fours, beating my two pair.

I checked the probabilities with a card calculator: after the flop I was a 99.71% favorite. Thankfully the pot wasn't too big, because I would have flipped out if it was a big pot.


Also, for those of you wondering how my paying for spring break thing is going, I hadn't played in a couple of months because I was too busy in the lab. I think I'm up about $100 total, nowhere near my goal.

That 99.71% is probably calculated GIVEN HIS HAND AND YOUR HAND. Obviously, you don't know what is hand is after the flop, so you had to calculate your odds only given your hand.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
That 99.71% is probably calculated GIVEN HIS HAND AND YOUR HAND. Obviously, you don't know what is hand is after the flop, so you had to calculate your odds only given your hand.

You're absolutely right, but I fail to see the point of your comment. What exactly are you saying? That him winning this hand wasn't a 1 in 300 shot?

 

[her209]

English?

 

[Firebot]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: AStar617
he called your pre-flop raise with 10-4 offsuit AND your raise with lowest pair and a king showing? wtf... bad beat.

Were your raises weak (less than 3x current bet)?

This was limit poker.

And this is exactly why you lost, and why he had a reason to continue playing. Limit poker is idiotic because you can't play your early strong hands and lead them in a mistake due to pot odds. Limit poker encourages going all the way to the river.

In no limit there is no way he should have been able to go past the flop. Play no limit, it will improve your game drastically if you have any knowledge of the odds and you will get beaten by bad river cards much less often.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: AStar617
he called your pre-flop raise with 10-4 offsuit AND your raise with lowest pair and a king showing? wtf... bad beat.

Were your raises weak (less than 3x current bet)?

This was limit poker.

Even in limit poker you can raise large enough for the person to fold, but yeah tough beat.

You obviously were trying to milk the guy for more money but you got beat, it happens.

 

[Fiat1]

In poker it is better to be lucky than good. And by the looks of the hands he was lucky.

 

[child of wonder]

That's why I don't play online or in casual games against friends anymore. Unless real money is involved, people make some really stupid ass decisions.

I've seen people call a large all in before the flop (over 10 the BB) and people will call with J7 then catch some crap and win.

When you play idiots, the game is so difficult because you have NO CLUE what the other person is doing because they play so random.

When money is involved or you're playing someone who is good, at least then when you get beat you can say "yep, they outplayed me" or "they made a good decision."

 

[Firebot]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: AStar617
he called your pre-flop raise with 10-4 offsuit AND your raise with lowest pair and a king showing? wtf... bad beat.

Were your raises weak (less than 3x current bet)?

This was limit poker.

Even in limit poker you can raise large enough for the person to fold, but yeah tough beat.

You obviously were trying to milk the guy for more money but you got beat, it happens.

In limit poker the pot odds will never be bad enough for the person not to be able to call what would normally be a mistake. Outs wise, his hand was awful, but limit poker allowed the guy with T 4 to go in simply due to pot odds. If it was at a 1/2$ table, the pot was 4$ on the flop (raise by BB and a call only 2 people in), the original bet from 10 4 was 2$, OP raised to 4$, SB calls the 4-1 pot odds. 12$ in pot. On turn, OP bets 2$, SB raised to 4$, OP raised to 6$, SB calls thinking at this point he has the best hand, and from here he simply has to call 2$ to get a shot for a 22$ pot, incredible pot odds for the SB who does think at this time he has the best hand.

There's a reason why limit poker completly stinks.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Unfortunately, I see that kind of thing far too often. Once in awhile I'll also see some douchebag call an all-in on the flop with something like Ah 3c against AA and win when four hearts hit the table. It makes me want to punch them through my monitor.

Ugg, those situations really boil my blood especially when it occurs live and the other person decides to get into your face on how good of a poker player they are. I'm sorry, but these situations are 100% luck esp since there is no more bidding after all-in.

 

[Kev]

this is why poker is dumb. just the fact that it is possible to lose to complete retards annoys the ****** out of me.

 

[Firebot]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Unfortunately, I see that kind of thing far too often. Once in awhile I'll also see some douchebag call an all-in on the flop with something like Ah 3c against AA and win when four hearts hit the table. It makes me want to punch them through my monitor.

That's poker. The thing is though you always remember those bad beats, and dont remember the 95% of the time that your AA does hold up against a hand like that. I often get knocked out in a tournament by an all-in where my hand is much better by the all-in, but loses at the end. Talking about AA against QJ and losing when JJx hits the flop and getting knocked out one place out of the money bad. As long as you stick to your game, you will come out very profitable against those types of all-ins much more often then not even when it's so frustrating when you do lose to near impossible odds.

 

[interchange]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I'm in the big blind and I'm dealt Kd 4h, every one folds to the SB who completes. I raise, and the SB calls.

Flop comes:
4c 5d Kh

He bets, I raise, he calls

He bets because he hits the flop. You raise. He has pot odds to call if you have an over pair.

Turn is Th

He checks, I bet, he raises, I 3-bet, he calls.

He tries to trap you with 2 pair. Probably figures he's beat on the raise, but he has some odds to call final bet or thinks you're screwing around.

River is Td
He checks, I check (I was almost certain he had a ten).
He shows Ts 4d for a full house, Tens full of Fours, beating my two pair.

He tries to trap you on the river.

I checked the probabilities with a card calculator: after the flop I was a 99.71% favorite. Thankfully the pot wasn't too big, because I would have flipped out if it was a big pot.

That's limit poker for you. I don't see a fault in what either of you did, except he probably should have folded after your pre-flop raise and you probably shouldn't have raised . So you're a 997/1000 favorite in that hand. That means 3/1000 times you're beat. Have you played more than 1000 hands of poker before? You know this stuff happens.

 

[sixone]

That's the risk you take when you check the best hand. :shrug:

 

[snoopdoug1]

Originally posted by: sixone
That's the risk you take when you check the best hand. :shrug:

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: sixone
That's the risk you take when you check the best hand. :shrug:

Huh? Did you even read the post?

To all the people telling me to play NL, I'm not such a fan of it. I'll play occasionally in tourneys but I tend to be too aggressive in NL and eventually make one mistake or one bad read that busts me out.

Limit is a different kind of game, it's played differently. It's challenging in a different sort of way

 

[UDT89]

i started to type, then noticed it was Limit.

thats the way limit goes. cant get people off hands with big bets.

hence why limit sucks, its a game for people who love draws.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: AStar617
he called your pre-flop raise with 10-4 offsuit AND your raise with lowest pair and a king showing? wtf... bad beat.

Were your raises weak (less than 3x current bet)?

This was limit poker.

ahh well there is always someone hanging there in limit.

 

[DingDingDao]

Worst beat ever

Feel better, OP, at least it didn't cost you 10000BBs.