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HL 2, new possible release date.

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My god, almost a year to do what? Don't they have multiple backup copies and at least something that isn't hooked up to the net. Wow. Couldn't this just be BS so that they could finally finish the game? Maybe for the ATI deal? Who knows? By the time it releases, those 9600 XTs won't be able to run it. Not that it probably will anyway.
 
If I never learned a thing in my life, at least I know this: In this world, palms get greased, Bullsh!t gets told and lies unfold. Code theft does not delay games from being released. Thats why God created magnetic backup tapes and storage arrays. Valve dropped the ball ( a wrecking ball ) and could in no way shape or form deliver the game when they originally meant to or said they were going to. For cryin out loud, I have my own little itsy bitsy web site and was hacked once. I had it fixed in 10 minutes because I had backups. Hey, if I can do it, Valve can do it. So they lied with no way for the average Joe (us) to prove otherwise and they knew that how it would be. I personally think they were in financial peril somehow and had to come up with a way to stay in business. Hence the code theft excuse and the coupons for HL2 bundled with XT cards.

Oh yeah, I know one more thing. This is all just speculation because I think about stuff that doesn't matter too much.

LOL
Keys
 
What gets me is all those people who went out and spent lot's of money on hardware to play this game, and it will be a full year delayed... maybe more. That much time makes a HUGE difference in prices and peformance of hardware! Patience will pay off dividends!
 
Originally posted by: screw3d
Am I the only one here who doesn't care about when HL2 is going to be released anymore?
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I don't give a damn. I'll buy it when I see it on the shelf at Best Buy. But I bet I'll buy A LOT of other games before then. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: screw3d
Am I the only one here who doesn't care about when HL2 is going to be released anymore?
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I don't give a damn. I'll buy it when I see it on the shelf at Best Buy. But I bet I'll buy A LOT of other games before then. 😉
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after all the delays i dont care

i want UT2004
 
Originally posted by: screw3d
Am I the only one here who doesn't care about when HL2 is going to be released anymore?
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You are not alone. Just got a little caught up in the anarchy! 😀

 
Originally posted by: VIAN Don't they have multiple backup copies and at least something that isn't hooked up to the net.
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003 Code theft does not delay games from being released. Thats why God created magnetic backup tapes and storage arrays.
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no one ever claimed that they didn't have backups! by code theif they don't even mean that it was eraced from any drive, simply that the uncompiled sorce code is out and avalable for any hacker to create all sorts of nasty modifcations to it so they could run a sever that would; steal peoples creditcard info, plant trogens, hose their computers intierly or do any number of other nasty things that would come back to haunt valve. of course they had plenty of backups, but that doesn't do them any good at all in this situation. sense the sorce code was "stolen" vavle has to go though and compleatly rework all their code so as to break compatablity with all the possable devious things which people would otherwise most definitely take advantage of. this is one hell of a project that they had no intention of undertaking but is now absolutely nesscary for them to do and it is going to take lots of time.


is this clicking with anybody here yet?
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: VIAN Don't they have multiple backup copies and at least something that isn't hooked up to the net.
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003 Code theft does not delay games from being released. Thats why God created magnetic backup tapes and storage arrays.
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no one ever claimed that they didn't have backups! by code theif they don't even mean that it was eraced from any drive, simply that the uncompiled sorce code is out and avalable for any hacker to create all sorts of nasty modifcations to it so they could run a sever that would; steal peoples creditcard info, plant trogens, hose their computers intierly or do any number of other nasty things that would come back to haunt valve. of course they had plenty of backups, but that doesn't do them any good at all in this situation. sense the sorce code was "stolen" vavle has to go though and compleatly rework all their code so as to break compatablity with all the possable devious things which people would otherwise most definitely take advantage of. this is one hell of a project that they had no intention of undertaking but is now absolutely nesscary for them to do and it is going to take lots of time.


is this clicking with anybody here yet?
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Makes sense to me. I think half life will come out sooner than expected (sort of common pr scam) - cover the bad news with last minute good news.
 
it's either you believe them (Valve), or you don't.

well, after living in this crude world for almost 22yrs, i've come to realize that people will do anything to protect themselves... especially big business people...

my theory is that valve was not able to deliver the game at the date they promised (Sep. 2003, which was 5 months after the initial video clip went out), which was very understandable to me. but they pulled the trigger because they were aware of people's growing groan and whine towards ID and Doom3 being delayed and delayed and delayed.. (not to mention DNF)

first of all, i thought to myself... now how in the world is Valve going to release a game in just 5 months after initial video went out.. usually for game producers, it takes about AT LEAST 6 months to 1yr. (in case of Blizzard... i don't want to mention.. :|) ..

i'm very sure alot of people will agree with me, and alot will not,.. but this was just my theory with, i think, a good explanations.
 
i would be willing to swallow that theory larciel, if all i knew was what valve told us. however, i also know that thousands of man hours worth of their code is avalable all over the net and it will take at least another thousand man hours for them to go though and rework that code inorder to feel confedent that they will be able to avoid the issues i pointed out above. so the idea that they relased the code themselves inorder to create an exuse for being behind schedule is absolutly absurd considering that it also creates much more work that needs to be accomplished before they can release a finished product.
 
I believe all the lies, yet, agree to disagree. The wife pre-ordered HL2 for my last birthday... she felt bad of course and got me another gift later. Down the road in a bit I'll be getting a package... hey, what the h@ll is this? Alrighty then, let's play!!! How can I complain, unless of course I die before then in which case I'll be sooooooo upset.
 
Originally posted by: Abhoth
I believe all the lies, yet, agree to disagree. The wife pre-ordered HL2 for my last birthday... she felt bad of course and got me another gift later. Down the road in a bit I'll be getting a package... hey, what the h@ll is this? Alrighty then, let's play!!! How can I complain, unless of course I die before then in which case I'll be sooooooo upset.
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Don't worry about that by the time HL2 has been released we would of all died from old age anyway. 😀

 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: VIAN Don't they have multiple backup copies and at least something that isn't hooked up to the net.
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003 Code theft does not delay games from being released. Thats why God created magnetic backup tapes and storage arrays.
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no one ever claimed that they didn't have backups! by code theif they don't even mean that it was eraced from any drive, simply that the uncompiled sorce code is out and avalable for any hacker to create all sorts of nasty modifcations to it so they could run a sever that would; steal peoples creditcard info, plant trogens, hose their computers intierly or do any number of other nasty things that would come back to haunt valve. of course they had plenty of backups, but that doesn't do them any good at all in this situation. sense the sorce code was "stolen" vavle has to go though and compleatly rework all their code so as to break compatablity with all the possable devious things which people would otherwise most definitely take advantage of. this is one hell of a project that they had no intention of undertaking but is now absolutely nesscary for them to do and it is going to take lots of time.


is this clicking with anybody here yet?
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The place where we are "missing" things is you can decompile the final CD of any game and get the same info.
 
Some of you are forgetting the original Half-Life was a year late so it seems that Valve are still keeping the same tradition alive.

I do think certain code theft events leading up to the September release date were a bit dubious, but it's valve.... the company that admits that cheating is a problem in Half-Life and its mods but do nothing to stop it (until maybe now) and even when they try its only a minor hurdle for the cheats.
 
Hmmmm, I remember some guy (Rollo) arguing that people shouldn't try to buy hardware for future games.


I remember the whole "buying a V5 for superior Duke Nuke'm 4ever performance" debacle pretty well.
 
seeing as HL2 and Doom 3 are the only games that I know of that will really test the current batch of vid cards I think it actually is pretty important when these games come out. Having said that I am not sitting by my PC waiting for the latest news and screeenshots from either game. There really isn't any point, they will be released when they are released. Daikatana has taught me well that expectations can be crushed.
 
Hmmmm, I remember some guy (Rollo) arguing that people shouldn't try to buy hardware for future games.
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True you shouldn't buy hardware for the future. You should still keep the future in mind, but don't let it be what decides your ball, because something like this could happen.

This was the last straw for me, HL2 will only be exciting for me when I see it on shelves, and maybe it might still be exciting. Doom III is what I want in my bag at the store if a choice has to be made. Doom III just said, I'll ship when it's ready. Gabe can remain under Carmack's ass.
 
valve should have just said Q1/2005. when it's not released in the summer, or fall, or winter, what are people going to think of the game THEN?

and you guys are right about what needs to be done to fix the source code problem. essentially you need to rewrite almost the entire code to make it not behave in the same way as it did before. VERY difficult to do when there is only one way of doing it so far.


btw, you can't decompile that code very easily.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus


The place where we are "missing" things is you can decompile the final CD of any game and get the same info.
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lol! the thing you missing is that what you suggest is next to impossable to accompish.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Acanthus


The place where we are "missing" things is you can decompile the final CD of any game and get the same info.
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lol! the thing you missing is that what you suggest is next to impossable to accompish.
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Well, at least there's one other person on here who knows what they're talking about.

Decompiling something the size of Half-Life 2 would likely leave you with about half a million lines of raw assembler. No function names, no variable names, no data structure information to go on. It would be like a 10,000-piece jigsaw puzzle with the picture on the front removed. Sure, you could piece it together with enough time, but it might take months (or years), and no sane human being would ever attempt to do so.

That said, there's no way Valve could have had the game ready to go last September, given the delays thus far (and this new announcement). Certainly the single-player game would have been almost finished, and could have been released on its own -- or at least a demo, or public benchmark, or something! Some modification and retesting of the multiplayer code was definitely required thanks to the code theft (and I would have believed a 6-month delay for that), but if doing that is taking them a full year, either they're not doing this very efficiently, or they were a lot further from being done with the game than they wanted everyone to think.
 
i don't know, i highly doubt ati would have forked up 6mil for a packaging deal unless valve had shown them an nearly finished product. while i belive it is quite possable that the game would have been delayed regardless of the code theft, i don't see any facts that prove this to be the case.

i also want to point out one big plus that has come out of this situation. with vavle is in a position where they have to rework a large chunk of their code, the game will be more optimised that it would have otherwise been. when codeing such a large project a lot of stuff winds up being left at the state were it works good enough, but when you have to go though all that code and rewrite things it is easy to spot were things can be done more efficiently and make those changes simutaniously security fixes. this is also a good reason for them not to bother with releaseing a benchmark or demo, or even a singleplayer only version until they have finished recooping from the theif.
 
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