Hizbullah: We will not disarm and move out of S. Lebanon

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

There is no Islamic nation thus there is no war between Islam and Judaism (Israel). If there were, Israel would be wiped off the map tomorrow by Pakistani nukes.

So what you're saying is that were an Islamic state to hold grudge against Israel, and posses nuclear arms, it would destroy it? Lets replace "Pakistani" with "Iranian", does the above sentence still ring true?
Besides, have you ever heard of the Arab League? It might not contain ALL Islamic countries, but it represents enough of them. And their animosity against Israel is well known.

Just answer these questions if you can -
1. Do you think Hizbullah does a service to Lebanon by maintaining this conflict with Israel?
2. Who do you think started the present conflict?
3. Do you think Israel reduced the threat coming from Hizbullah by the current operation?

Dont expect him to answer any of those questions. He will instead attempt to deflect the conversation onto Israel and how it is Israel's fault Hizbullah attacked Israel and captured two of their soldiers.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

What's amusing is that you should be asking yourself the same question regarding Israel's military. It certainly provides many invaluable services for the Israeli people while also engaging in attacks against civlians of other nations, protecting aggressive and hostile colonists and has no problem with collective punishment. So I ask you, should the world give Israel a "green pass" after it's demonstrated it's constant disregard for human life?

I will assume your argument is so shot you cant answer the question. Most people at least have the spine to backup their arguments with an opinion. You? Well apparently all you can do is try to change the subject.

You asked a question that's better fit for yourself to answer regarding Israel. Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization? I don't know, I think if it is then so should large parts of the Israeli military and leadership since they've done far worse than Hezbollah could ever manage. You tried and failed at making a connection between Hezbollah and the Nazis and when I shot down your ridiculous comparison, you resorted to your usual, "nah nah you're not answering my question even though I made a stupid comparison in my original post so I win!" antics.

Uh huh, you still dont want to admit it, instead pleading ignorance and the wishy washy "I dont know" answer. If you dont know, how can you possibly defend them as a humanitarian ogranization for the lebanese people.

So you're admitting that it was stupid of you to compare Hezbollah to the Nazis and now you've resorted to drudging on a silly question which I've already answered. Foot in your mouth huh?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

There is no Islamic nation thus there is no war between Islam and Judaism (Israel). If there were, Israel would be wiped off the map tomorrow by Pakistani nukes.

So what you're saying is that were an Islamic state to hold grudge against Israel, and posses nuclear arms, it would destroy it? Lets replace "Pakistani" with "Iranian", does the above sentence still ring true?
Besides, have you ever heard of the Arab League? It might not contain ALL Islamic countries, but it represents enough of them. And their animosity against Israel is well known.

I'm not saying that at all, it's Jaskalas that made the claim that Islam (thus all of it's 1.2+ billion followers) were waging a war against Israel. I pointed out to him that if that were the case, Pakistani nukes would've flattened Israel. Thus it proves there is no war between Islam and Israel and if it's anybody that has a grudge, it's the right-wing Israelis that are constantly looking to expand and kill--note I said right-wing Israelis because I know there's a lot of Israelis that actually enjoy peace.

Even if Iran were to get nuclear weapons (which I doubt they ever will because even other Muslim nations don't want them to have it), they wouldn't be foolish enough to allow them to fall into the hands of Hezbollah/Hamas nor would they ever think of using them on Israel since they'd be wiped out as well. The Iranians would only use nuclear weapons as a deterrant much like any other country today does.

As for the Arab League, it's not an Arab supernation is it? They still have their own borders, agendas and quarrels. Not only that, but Arabs are actually a minority in Islam.

Fair enough. What about my questions then?
Again -

1. Do you think Hizbullah does a service to Lebanon by maintaining this conflict with Israel?

2. Who do you think started the present conflict?

3. Do you think Israel reduced the threat coming from Hizbullah by the current operation?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What do you expect? Israel was embarrassed on the ground with thousands of their soldiers struggling against hundreds of guerrillas.

With Israel killing almost 900 Lebanese civilians, sympathy for Hezbollah has increased significantly. In fact, Hezbollah was seen as the defenders of the Lebanese civilians against the bloodthirsty Israelis.

Nasrallah is as popular as he has ever been. Hezbollah has the money and power to regroup and rearm.

This past month was a strategic blunder by Israel, and even the Israeli's know it (with a number of Israeli politicians launching criticism against Olmert).

I'd wait to call it a strategic blunder. Isreal did inflict losses on the organization and now has the UN trying to keep the peace in the North. If the UN is able to keep Hebullah out of the area and keep the attacks down. I think Israel got what it wanted, a threat on the northern border minimized.

The anti-israeli crowd will jump for joy a bunch of rag tag terrorists managed to not be obliterated but take a look at the map. The UN nearly covers the entire northern border of Israel now. That means anything from the North will have to slash and burn the UN.

Well, here are my requirements for a strategic blunder:

1) Is Hezbollah being disarmed? No.
2) Can Hezbollah replace the guerrillas they lost? Yes, their movement is as popular as ever in the region.
3) Can Hezbollah replace spent and destroyed weapons caches? Yes; Iran and Syria already have stated a victory for Hezbollah in the conflict, and will help supply the group with more weapons.
4) Are the kidnapped Israeli soldiers being returned? No.

It's quite simple. If you kill as many innocent civilians as Israel did, your enemies are going to recieve waves of sympathy and support in their cause. In the long term, Hezbollah is going to come out stronger because of this conflict.

The only victory for Israel is the buffer zone in southern Lebanon. It's like a DMZ between two warring countries. The tension is still there, the danger of conflict is still there, you just have more distance between the warring parties.

It's a pipe dream if you think Israel really did any damage to Hezbollah in the long run.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

What's amusing is that you should be asking yourself the same question regarding Israel's military. It certainly provides many invaluable services for the Israeli people while also engaging in attacks against civlians of other nations, protecting aggressive and hostile colonists and has no problem with collective punishment. So I ask you, should the world give Israel a "green pass" after it's demonstrated it's constant disregard for human life?

I will assume your argument is so shot you cant answer the question. Most people at least have the spine to backup their arguments with an opinion. You? Well apparently all you can do is try to change the subject.

You asked a question that's better fit for yourself to answer regarding Israel. Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization? I don't know, I think if it is then so should large parts of the Israeli military and leadership since they've done far worse than Hezbollah could ever manage. You tried and failed at making a connection between Hezbollah and the Nazis and when I shot down your ridiculous comparison, you resorted to your usual, "nah nah you're not answering my question even though I made a stupid comparison in my original post so I win!" antics.

Uh huh, you still dont want to admit it, instead pleading ignorance and the wishy washy "I dont know" answer. If you dont know, how can you possibly defend them as a humanitarian ogranization for the lebanese people.

So you're admitting that it was stupid of you to compare Hezbollah to the Nazis and now you've resorted to drudging on a silly question which I've already answered. Foot in your mouth huh?

Are you usually this obtuse? Fell like I am talking to a box of rocks here.

Where did I at all admit the above?

A. Find where I admit my comparison between Hizbullah and the Nazi's was stupid.
B. This was your answer to if Hizbullah is a terrorist ogranization

Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization? I don't know,

Wow that is decisive. And you still didnt answer the question about letting the Nazis get away with murder because they supplied human services to their people.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

So it was 1973, my date was off. Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq attacked Israel.

Terrorism against Israel and its Allies today spans across all countries of the world, by one connection ? Islam.

There is no Islamic nation thus there is no war between Islam and Judaism (Israel). If there were, Israel would be wiped off the map tomorrow by Pakistani nukes.

Radical Islam is not a nation; nations are not what we fight today. We fight against the ideals of slaughtering us.

You just said in your previous post it was a fight between Islam and Israel and now you're saying "Radical Islam". Get your b.s. straight at least.

If you need such clarifications, the point remains you appear wishing Israel dead.

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Nazis had a world class military (like Israel), superior numbers (like Israel), far better industrial capabilities (like Israel), indigenous technology (like Israel) and a strong propaganda machine (like Israel's lobby here in the US). They also believed in Germany's right of lebensraum--to expand and colonize territories for the German people--much like Israel (who's entire foundation is based on some ridiculous religious right). Nazi's also carried out collective punishment against Jews and others (remember it wasn't only Jews that suffered despite your brainwashing) much like Israel does to its neighbors. So like I said, you should quit while you're behind.

So I will clarify it for you.

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Are you upset that Israel had a superior military back in 1973? Because that was the only thing between Radical Islam and killing every man, woman, and child in Israel. It remains that way to this day.

Only, it wasn?t limited to so called ?Radicals? back in the Yom Kippur War. Only after suffering defeat did they have to organize military terror cells to hide their responsibility in slaughtering Israel.

Now you compare Israel?s superior military, the only thing that has prevented a massacre, to Nazi Germany. It appears you'd wish nothing more than the Islamic states surrounding Israel to have the capability of slaughtering them. I'm merely pointing out that if they had that, they would have killed Israel a long time ago.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What do you expect? Israel was embarrassed on the ground with thousands of their soldiers struggling against hundreds of guerrillas.

With Israel killing almost 900 Lebanese civilians, sympathy for Hezbollah has increased significantly. In fact, Hezbollah was seen as the defenders of the Lebanese civilians against the bloodthirsty Israelis.

Nasrallah is as popular as he has ever been. Hezbollah has the money and power to regroup and rearm.

This past month was a strategic blunder by Israel, and even the Israeli's know it (with a number of Israeli politicians launching criticism against Olmert).

I'd wait to call it a strategic blunder. Isreal did inflict losses on the organization and now has the UN trying to keep the peace in the North. If the UN is able to keep Hebullah out of the area and keep the attacks down. I think Israel got what it wanted, a threat on the northern border minimized.

The anti-israeli crowd will jump for joy a bunch of rag tag terrorists managed to not be obliterated but take a look at the map. The UN nearly covers the entire northern border of Israel now. That means anything from the North will have to slash and burn the UN.

Well, here are my requirements for a strategic blunder:

1) Is Hezbollah being disarmed? No.
2) Can Hezbollah replace the guerrillas they lost? Yes, their movement is as popular as ever in the region.
3) Can Hezbollah replace spent and destroyed weapons caches? Yes; Iran and Syria already have stated a victory for Hezbollah in the conflict, and will help supply the group with more weapons.
4) Are the kidnapped Israeli soldiers being returned? No.

It's quite simple. If you kill as many innocent civilians as Israel did, your enemies are going to recieve waves of sympathy and support in their cause. In the long term, Hezbollah is going to come out stronger because of this conflict.

The only victory for Israel is the buffer zone in southern Lebanon. It's like a DMZ between two warring countries. The tension is still there, the danger of conflict is still there, you just have more distance between the warring parties.

It's a pipe dream if you think Israel really did any damage to Hezbollah in the long run.

I dont think they have to do "damage" as long as they have the buffer zone to truely keep them away. If the buffer zone is actually enforced by the UN and this keeps the attacks and incursions down. Didnt Israel win what it wanted? The elimination of the threat from the North?

Like I said, it could go either way, calling it a strategic blunder 48 hours after the ceasefire and because Israel didnt level lebanon is premature imo.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

What's amusing is that you should be asking yourself the same question regarding Israel's military. It certainly provides many invaluable services for the Israeli people while also engaging in attacks against civlians of other nations, protecting aggressive and hostile colonists and has no problem with collective punishment. So I ask you, should the world give Israel a "green pass" after it's demonstrated it's constant disregard for human life?

I will assume your argument is so shot you cant answer the question. Most people at least have the spine to backup their arguments with an opinion. You? Well apparently all you can do is try to change the subject.

You asked a question that's better fit for yourself to answer regarding Israel. Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization? I don't know, I think if it is then so should large parts of the Israeli military and leadership since they've done far worse than Hezbollah could ever manage. You tried and failed at making a connection between Hezbollah and the Nazis and when I shot down your ridiculous comparison, you resorted to your usual, "nah nah you're not answering my question even though I made a stupid comparison in my original post so I win!" antics.

Uh huh, you still dont want to admit it, instead pleading ignorance and the wishy washy "I dont know" answer. If you dont know, how can you possibly defend them as a humanitarian ogranization for the lebanese people.

So you're admitting that it was stupid of you to compare Hezbollah to the Nazis and now you've resorted to drudging on a silly question which I've already answered. Foot in your mouth huh?

Are you usually this obtuse? Fell like I am talking to a box of rocks here.

Where did I at all admit the above?

A. Find where I admit my comparison between Hizbullah and the Nazi's was stupid.
B. This was your answer to if Hizbullah is a terrorist ogranization

You've skirted the debate after I debunked your fallacious likening of Hezbollah to the Nazis, thus it's an admission of being wrong and defeat--especially when you resort to asking the same question over and over that was answered a page back.

Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization? I don't know,

Wow that is decisive. And you still didnt answer the question about letting the Nazis get away with murder because they supplied human services to their people.
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That was a rhetorical question for you to ponder with your small brain. Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization when it's been responsible for liberating Lebanon and defending Lebanese against Israeli aggression? As I pointed out to you before, the EU certainly doesn't consider them a terorrist organization anymore than it does Israel. The Nazis put people in concentration camps and had a doctrine of genetic superiority over others and their right of lebensraum, does Hezbollah? Answer the above and you'll realize how stupid your question is.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont think they have to do "damage" as long as they have the buffer zone to truely keep them away. If the buffer zone is actually enforced by the UN and this keeps the attacks and incursions down. Didnt Israel win what it wanted? The elimination of the threat from the North?

Like I said, it could go either way, calling it a strategic blunder 48 hours after the ceasefire and because Israel didnt level lebanon is premature imo.

That would require the UN actually disarm Hizbollah, which I have no faith in it doing. The threat remains, protected by the UN

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Even if Iran were to get nuclear weapons (which I doubt they ever will because even other Muslim nations don't want them to have it), they wouldn't be foolish enough to allow them to fall into the hands of Hezbollah/Hamas nor would they ever think of using them on Israel since they'd be wiped out as well. The Iranians would only use nuclear weapons as a deterrant much like any other country today does.

So Ahmadinejad doesn't call for the destruction of Israel daily, infront of thousands?

As for the Arab League, it's not an Arab supernation is it? They still have their own borders, agendas and quarrels. Not only that, but Arabs are actually a minority in Islam.

Edit: Since you edited your post and added those questions:

Just answer these questions if you can -
1. Do you think Hizbullah does a service to Lebanon by maintaining this conflict with Israel?
2. Who do you think started the present conflict?
3. Do you think Israel reduced the threat coming from Hizbullah by the current operation?


1. If it weren't for Hezbollah, Israel would still be in Lebanon. Israel has never formally ceased hostilities with Hezbollah, it's constantly called for it's disarmament and that's not going to happen. Israel didn't leave Lebanon in good faith in the past, it got a bloody nose (like it did now) and cut and run.

Ok so Israel is now out of Lebanon.

2. According to Seymour Hersh, Israel was already planning to attack Hezbollah with the US's blessings: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

You twist everything. Of course Israel wanted to attack Hezbullah, they were gathering arms and rockets against them.

3. I'd contend that there never was a threat in the first place. Israel hasn't addressed the issue of detaining hundreds of Lebanese nor has it ever formally ceased hostilities with Hezbollah--rather the opposite, it's always desired to wipe out the adversary that pushed it out of Leabnon's borders.

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See me comment for 2.
Obviously, if 1559 (or whatever) would've actually been done completely, and Hezbullah would've been disarmed, then Lebanon could've started negotiations with Israel to return some or all of the prisoners.

 

[Genx87]

You've skirted the debate after I debunked your fallacious likening of Hezbollah to the Nazis, thus it's an admission of being wrong and defeat--especially when you resort to asking the same question over and over that was answered a page back.

There is no debate, you said Hizbullah provided human services to the people of lebanon. I used the Nazi's as an example to see if your litmus test is sincere. If an organization provides human services to its people, does that give them a green pass to attack its neighbors? I dont know why this is so hard for you to understand and answer the question.

I think you realize the lunacy of your own argument and would rather play a game of cat and mouse and deflect the argument onto Israel. This is a sympton of a lack of thought on the subject and it shows through this entire thread.

That was a rhetorical question for you to ponder with your small brain. Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization when it's been responsible for liberating Lebanon and defending Lebanese against Israeli aggression? As I pointed out to you before, the EU certainly doesn't consider them a terorrist organization anymore than it does Israel. The Nazis put people in concentration camps and had a doctrine of genetic superiority over others and their right of lebensraum, does Hezbollah? Answer the above and you'll realize how stupid your question is.

You answer your own rhetorical questions and tell me I have a small brain? This thread is getting interesting

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont think they have to do "damage" as long as they have the buffer zone to truely keep them away. If the buffer zone is actually enforced by the UN and this keeps the attacks and incursions down. Didnt Israel win what it wanted? The elimination of the threat from the North?

Like I said, it could go either way, calling it a strategic blunder 48 hours after the ceasefire and because Israel didnt level lebanon is premature imo.

That would require the UN actually disarm Hizbollah, which I have no faith in it doing. The threat remains, protected by the UN

We will have to wait and see, this is a great opportunity for the UN to actually do the right thing. I agree the track record is horrible, but we have to wait and see.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

So I will clarify it for you.

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Are you upset that Israel had a superior military back in 1973? Because that was the only thing between Radical Islam and killing every man, woman, and child in Israel. It remains that way to this day.

Nice try at editing but this is what your original post said since I quoted you:

Are you upset that Israel had a superior military back in 1967? Because that was the only thing between Islam and killing every man, woman, and child in Israel. It remains that way to this day.

I questioned your preposterous claim of Islam (a religion of 1.2+ billion people) waging war on Israel.

Only, it wasn?t limited to so called ?Radicals? back in the Yom Kippur War. Only after suffering defeat did they have to organize military terror cells to hide their responsibility in slaughtering Israel.

If that were the case, Israel would've went to the UN with proof that all their Islamic neighbors were conspiring against them using terrorist cells but that hasn't happened so I can only deduce one thing from your argument: nonsense as usual. BTW isn't Turkey a country populated by Muslims? Last I checked they were allied with Israel.

Now you compare Israel?s superior military, the only thing that has prevented a massacre, to Nazi Germany. It appears you'd wish nothing more than the Islamic states surrounding Israel to have the capability of slaughtering them. I'm merely pointing out that if they had that, they would have killed Israel a long time ago.

Actually it's Genx87 that tried to claim Hezbollah was like the Nazis. I pointed out to him that given Israel's tactics and military superiority, it more closely resembles the Nazis then they do. I also pointed out to Samur that if there was a collective desire by Islamic nations of the world to wipe out Israel, it would happen--the fact that it hasn't nor will it ever happen proves that claims of Islam waging war against Israel are delusions.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

You've skirted the debate after I debunked your fallacious likening of Hezbollah to the Nazis, thus it's an admission of being wrong and defeat--especially when you resort to asking the same question over and over that was answered a page back.

There is no debate, you said Hizbullah provided human services to the people of lebanon. I used the Nazi's as an example to see if your litmus test is sincere. If an organization provides human services to its people, does that give them a green pass to attack its neighbors? I dont know why this is so hard for you to understand and answer the question.

How dense can you be? Hezbollah has every right to defend Lebanese people against the Israeli military. If they've attacked Israel, it's because Israel has hundreds of Lebanese locked away--many of which never received a trial to this day. So you should take your own litmus test: Can a military that illegally kidnaps hundreds of civilians from another country be given a green pass to attack it's neighbors? The fact that you're relentlessly defending Israel's military is a resounding yes.

I think you realize the lunacy of your own argument and would rather play a game of cat and mouse and deflect the argument onto Israel.

The only thing I realize is the lunacy of getting into a circular argument with someone that fails to admit that he was wrong in trying to compare a militia to the Nazis. It's like you've stuck your head in the sand like a little kid and keep babbling, "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!" over and over.


Since you obviously have short-term memory loss, here's what I originally said:

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

and your asinine reply:

So the world is stupid enough to buy into Hizbullah propaganda? What a surprise.
Anybody who can say Hizbullah's constant barrage of missiles into Northern Israel before the war and their goal of the elimination of the state of Israel isnt terrorist is very blind.
Providing services is a nice cover, but the Nazi's did the same, should have have given them a pass when it came to knocking them out?

I'm pretty sure you've realized how ridiculous the above in bold sounds, especially when it's been pointed out to you that it's Israel that's been attacking it's neighbors by kidnapping their civilians (and previously occupied them), has planned a war of aggression against them before all this began (see Seymour Hersh's article) and killed nearly a thousand Lebanese civilians. Can the Israeli military be given a green pass given all these facts? Answer that one for me.

So in light of all this, is Hezbollah justified in attacking the IDF? Yes, especially since Israel has been busy kidnapping Lebanese (and Palestinian) civlians including democratically elected leaders.

 

[Genx87]

How dense can you be? Hezbollah has every right to defend Lebanese people against the Israeli military. If they've attacked Israel, it's because Israel has hundreds of Lebanese locked away--many of which never received a trial to this day. So you should take your own litmus test: Can a military that illegally kidnaps hundreds of civilians from another country be given a green pass to attack it's neighbors? The fact that you're relentlessly defending Israel's military is a resounding yes.

Well at least are getting somewhere, you are turning into a fully fledged apologist for a terrorist organization. Ill take the above post as you saying it is ok for organizations to attack people provided they provide human services for people.

The only thing I realize is the lunacy of getting into a circular argument with someone that fails to admit that he was wrong in trying to compare a militia to the Nazis. It's like you've stuck your head in the sand like a little kid and keep babbling, "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!" over and over.

Uh you started the circular argument bunkie by refusing to answer my question about the Nazi's and instead bringing up your amusing comparisons of the Nazi and Israeli's. Then continuing to not answer the question and bringing up more deflections and childish attacks.

I find it funny through this thread everybody asks you to answer questions and all we get is deflections, yet we are the ones with the small brains(lmao) and little kids with our hands over our ears.

/shrug

 

[Genx87]

I'm pretty sure you've realized how ridiculous the above in bold sounds, especially when it's been pointed out to you that it's Israel that's been attacking it's neighbors by kidnapping their civilians (and previously occupied them), has planned a war of aggression against them before all this began (see Seymour Hersh's article) and killed nearly a thousand Lebanese civilians. Can the Israeli military be given a green pass given all these facts? Answer that one for me.

Through the entire thread I havent deviated from my comparison, only asked you to answer my question. And I see you failed on the nth iteration of responding to do so.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I'm pretty sure you've realized how ridiculous the above in bold sounds, especially when it's been pointed out to you that it's Israel that's been attacking it's neighbors by kidnapping their civilians (and previously occupied them), has planned a war of aggression against them before all this began (see Seymour Hersh's article) and killed nearly a thousand Lebanese civilians. Can the Israeli military be given a green pass given all these facts? Answer that one for me.

Through the entire thread I havent deviated from my comparison, only asked you to answer my question. And I see you failed on the nth iteration of responding to do so.

I guess your thick glasses aren't working for you today:

So in light of all this, is Hezbollah justified in attacking the IDF? Yes, especially since Israel has been busy kidnapping Lebanese (and Palestinian) civlians including democratically elected leaders.

Now answer my question: Israel has been attacking it's neighbors by kidnapping their civilians (and previously occupied them), has planned a war of aggression against them before all this began (see Seymour Hersh's article) and killed nearly a thousand Lebanese civilians. Can the Israeli military be given a green pass given all these facts?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

I'm pretty sure you've realized how ridiculous the above in bold sounds, especially when it's been pointed out to you that it's Israel that's been attacking it's neighbors by kidnapping their civilians (and previously occupied them), has planned a war of aggression against them before all this began (see Seymour Hersh's article) and killed nearly a thousand Lebanese civilians. Can the Israeli military be given a green pass given all these facts? Answer that one for me.

Through the entire thread I havent deviated from my comparison, only asked you to answer my question. And I see you failed on the nth iteration of responding to do so.

I guess your thick glasses aren't working for you today:

So in light of all this, is Hezbollah justified in attacking the IDF? Yes, especially since Israel has been busy kidnapping Lebanese (and Palestinian) civlians including democratically elected leaders.

Now answer my question: Israel has been attacking it's neighbors by kidnapping their civilians (and previously occupied them), has planned a war of aggression against them before all this began (see Seymour Hersh's article) and killed nearly a thousand Lebanese civilians. Can the Israeli military be given a green pass given all these facts?

I will apply that to you saying it was ok for the Nazi's to do so and that we shouldnt have knocked them out.

Interesting...

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

I'm pretty sure you've realized how ridiculous the above in bold sounds, especially when it's been pointed out to you that it's Israel that's been attacking it's neighbors by kidnapping their civilians (and previously occupied them), has planned a war of aggression against them before all this began (see Seymour Hersh's article) and killed nearly a thousand Lebanese civilians. Can the Israeli military be given a green pass given all these facts? Answer that one for me.

Through the entire thread I havent deviated from my comparison, only asked you to answer my question. And I see you failed on the nth iteration of responding to do so.

I guess your thick glasses aren't working for you today:

So in light of all this, is Hezbollah justified in attacking the IDF? Yes, especially since Israel has been busy kidnapping Lebanese (and Palestinian) civlians including democratically elected leaders.

Now answer my question: Israel has been attacking it's neighbors by kidnapping their civilians (and previously occupied them), has planned a war of aggression against them before all this began (see Seymour Hersh's article) and killed nearly a thousand Lebanese civilians. Can the Israeli military be given a green pass given all these facts?

I will apply that to you saying it was ok for the Nazi's to do so and that we shouldnt have knocked them out.

Interesting...

More dodging and obfuscation from you, surprise surprise. Its clear you've been backed into a corner (from a few pages back actually) and now refuse to answer my question.

I'll clarify: Should Israel's military, given it's history of defending illegal settlements (lebensraum), kidnapping Palestianian and Lebanese civilians, occupying Lebanon in the past and attempting to plan another war against them (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact) be given a green pass by the world community?

 

[Genx87]

what dodging? I finally got an answer out of you, sort of.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Seems like the same refrain that the PLO and the Arab countries have used over the years

1) Trigger an incident
2) When their butts are getting whipped (in one fashion or another),
3) Get the world opinion/sympathy on their side
4) Demand a ceasefire to protect them
5) Ignore the agreement (but complain loudly that Israel MUST obey).

Seems to me a 4000 man militia did pretty well against an army with world class technology and far superior numbers.

Not related to what he just said. A red herring response.

 

[Aisengard]

Hey 5150, just answer his question directly. Until you do that, you are the one dodging and obfuscating.

After that you can compare the Israelis to Nazis (*snicker*) all you want.

 

[IrateLeaf]

What I find interesting is that Lemon law and Joker5150 agree with each other. It would be funny if they were one and the same persons. rofl

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Seems like the same refrain that the PLO and the Arab countries have used over the years

1) Trigger an incident
2) When their butts are getting whipped (in one fashion or another),
3) Get the world opinion/sympathy on their side
4) Demand a ceasefire to protect them
5) Ignore the agreement (but complain loudly that Israel MUST obey).

Seems to me a 4000 man militia did pretty well against an army with world class technology and far superior numbers.

Not related to what he just said. A red herring response.

heh, why should PLO or Hezbollah do anything? Were they invited to the discussion? Were they consulted on the terms? Were they asked to sign and agree on the terms?

If Israel and American want those "terrorist" organization to abid by anything, they better change their policy of not talking to them.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf
What I find interesting is that Lemon law and Joker5150 agree with each other. It would be funny if they were one and the same persons. rofl

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I kinda thought the same thing about you and Sumar.

But Joker5150 has been posting on Anand far longer than I have---and as far as I recall, we have never tagged teamed together to this extent that I can recall.

Given the fullness of time, we will probaly have differences in opinion. But my somewhat comment here is that too many Israelies have just been talking to just other Israelies---and this thread is somewhat constructive and instructive when other viewpoints are exchanged.

When the diaglog totally stops---its then that we should all really worry.