Hizbullah: We will not disarm and move out of S. Lebanon

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Seems like the same refrain that the PLO and the Arab countries have used over the years

1) Trigger an incident
2) When their butts are getting whipped (in one fashion or another),
3) Get the world opinion/sympathy on their side
4) Demand a ceasefire to protect them
5) Ignore the agreement (but complain loudly that Israel MUST obey).

Seems to me a 4000 man militia did pretty well against an army with world class technology and far superior numbers.

They accomplished their goal.

They did NOT accomplish any goal. The UN moved to protect Hizbollah.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: dahunan
Who the fvck is Hezbullah...

Are they voted in

Should they be allowed to have more weapons than the Govt of said country

Why do they have rockets and fire them on any random day into civilian areas

What nation or country should recognize them as a legitimate whatever - The UN is worthless if they recognize Hezbullcrap as having some autonomy inside of a nations borders

Someone has to fight for Lebanon and it's very apparent that the Lebanese army has no teeth and cannot defend itself.

Or perhaps decided fighting the Israeli's for Hezbullah was not worth the fight?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Seems like the same refrain that the PLO and the Arab countries have used over the years

1) Trigger an incident
2) When their butts are getting whipped (in one fashion or another),
3) Get the world opinion/sympathy on their side
4) Demand a ceasefire to protect them
5) Ignore the agreement (but complain loudly that Israel MUST obey).

Seems to me a 4000 man militia did pretty well against an army with world class technology and far superior numbers.

They accomplished their goal.

They did NOT accomplish any goal. The UN moved to protect Hizbollah.

The Israeli's can play the waiting game, when the UN ****** up, the UN has egg on their face as Israel goes back on the offensive. The only way the world is going to get it is when the world is slapped in the face by these people.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Here

This will develop into another exhibit of UN's incompetence in policing the world.

Why should they disarm though? They were obviously needed to give your bully country a bloody nose now and in the past. If Hezbollah is to disarm then so should Israel...what's that you say, sounds ludicrous? Yeah I thought so.

That was ludicrious, one is a terror organization, the other a soverign nation.

That is like telling the United States it has to disarm if the gangs in LA are forced to.

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

So the US and some of it's citizens are stupid enough to buy into Israel's propaganda? What a surprise.
Anybody who can say Israel's constant barrage of missiles and occupation into Southern Lebanon before and their goal of the elimination of Hezbollah isnt terrorist is very blind.

Fixed and the nazi comparison is laughable (unless you meant Israeli tactics) , stop while you're behind.

Like I have said in the past, if you cant come up with anything of substance and have to resort to lame fixing quotes, please dont waste our time posting.

As for the Nazi comment, that isnt laughable at all, both Hizbullah and Nazi's want an authortarian regime erected and both aim to exterminate the Jews.

I am curious if we should have given the Nazi's a pass at the end of the war because they provide human services to their people. Apparently this is going to be your litmus test if an organization is terrorist in nature and worthy of engaging in the future.

Nazis had a world class military (like Israel), superior numbers (like Israel), far better industrial capabilities (like Israel), indigenous technology (like Israel) and a strong propaganda machine (like Israel's lobby here in the US). They also believed in Germany's right of lebensraum--to expand and colonize territories for the German people--much like Israel (who's entire foundation is based on some ridiculous religious right). Nazi's also carried out collective punishment against Jews and others (remember it wasn't only Jews that suffered despite your brainwashing) much like Israel does to its neighbors. So like I said, you should quit while you're behind.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Seems like the same refrain that the PLO and the Arab countries have used over the years

1) Trigger an incident
2) When their butts are getting whipped (in one fashion or another),
3) Get the world opinion/sympathy on their side
4) Demand a ceasefire to protect them
5) Ignore the agreement (but complain loudly that Israel MUST obey).

Seems to me a 4000 man militia did pretty well against an army with world class technology and far superior numbers.

They accomplished their goal.

To weaken Lebanon, generate sympathy while able to cover up the fact that the destruction was caused by their arrogance.

They admitted that they mis-calculated the Israeli response; however, they were willing to allow Lebanon to be damaged to save their face. Israel was pushing them back, slowly because they were relying on technology rather than old fashioon house cleaning.

It was the old fashion method that move the PLO out, not air attacks.

There are articles coming out in the news that Israel had already planned to attack Hamas before their soldiers were kidnapped in July. So I'd say it was Israel that miscalculated and blundered badly.

Israel planned to attack hamas? I thought we were talking about Hizbullah?

Either way color me surprised on attacking Hamas. :roll:

Whoops my mistake, I meant hezbollah: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: dahunan
Who the fvck is Hezbullah...

Are they voted in

Should they be allowed to have more weapons than the Govt of said country

Why do they have rockets and fire them on any random day into civilian areas

What nation or country should recognize them as a legitimate whatever - The UN is worthless if they recognize Hezbullcrap as having some autonomy inside of a nations borders

Someone has to fight for Lebanon and it's very apparent that the Lebanese army has no teeth and cannot defend itself.

Seems like the reason Lebanon needs any protection at all is because they have a terrorist organization in their southern region who kills its neighbors and kidnaps citizens from neighboring country.. Hez is that terrorist org that causes problems for lebanon

Is it Syria and Iran not liking lebanon and funding Hezbollah who should be expelled from the country for their terrorist operations?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Here

This will develop into another exhibit of UN's incompetence in policing the world.

Why should they disarm though? They were obviously needed to give your bully country a bloody nose now and in the past. If Hezbollah is to disarm then so should Israel...what's that you say, sounds ludicrous? Yeah I thought so.

That was ludicrious, one is a terror organization, the other a soverign nation.

That is like telling the United States it has to disarm if the gangs in LA are forced to.

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

So the US and some of it's citizens are stupid enough to buy into Israel's propaganda? What a surprise.
Anybody who can say Israel's constant barrage of missiles and occupation into Southern Lebanon before and their goal of the elimination of Hezbollah isnt terrorist is very blind.

Fixed and the nazi comparison is laughable (unless you meant Israeli tactics) , stop while you're behind.

Like I have said in the past, if you cant come up with anything of substance and have to resort to lame fixing quotes, please dont waste our time posting.

As for the Nazi comment, that isnt laughable at all, both Hizbullah and Nazi's want an authortarian regime erected and both aim to exterminate the Jews.

I am curious if we should have given the Nazi's a pass at the end of the war because they provide human services to their people. Apparently this is going to be your litmus test if an organization is terrorist in nature and worthy of engaging in the future.

Nazis had a world class military (like Israel), superior numbers (like Israel), far better industrial capabilities (like Israel) and indigenous technology (like Israel). They also believed in Germany's right of lebensraum--to expand and colonize territories for the German people--much like Israel (who's entire foundation is based on some ridiculous religious right). Nazi's also carried out collective punishment against Jews and others (remember it wasn't only Jews that suffered despite your brainwashing) much like Israel does to its neighbors. So like I said, you should quit while you're behind.

Try to concentrate, I understand sometimes you ability to stay on subject is hard.

The comparison is between Hezbullah and the Nazis. Changingg the subject while not being able to answer my simple question proves how illogical of an argument you are making is.

Because an organization provides human services to its people, does that give them a pass to attack other people with the intent of wiping them out?

Try to think long and hard on this one, and try not to fall into the same boat every clueless nub does by comparing the Nazi's and the Israeli's, although quite amusing when you think about the history.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Here

This will develop into another exhibit of UN's incompetence in policing the world.

Why should they disarm though? They were obviously needed to give your bully country a bloody nose now and in the past. If Hezbollah is to disarm then so should Israel...what's that you say, sounds ludicrous? Yeah I thought so.

That was ludicrious, one is a terror organization, the other a soverign nation.

That is like telling the United States it has to disarm if the gangs in LA are forced to.

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

I don't suppose having long range rockets is a prerequisite for fulfilling these civil duties?

So, would you say that Lebanon gained something in the last conflict? Is it any better off than it was? Has Hizbullah gained something? Are you disappointed that Israel didn't play by the rules of ignoring the attacks as it did to that day, as can be seen Here?
Do you find Islamic fundamentalists like Nassarallah positive? Is another conflict with Israel really good for Lebanon? And finally, can Lebanon allow Hizbullah to do whatever it pleases on it's own land and then go and cry to the UN when it receives damage?

I don't think you understand the situation. Israelis don't want any international involvement in this; Israel can handle its own problems on its own. But it can't be the only side obeying to the international community.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Seems like the same refrain that the PLO and the Arab countries have used over the years

1) Trigger an incident
2) When their butts are getting whipped (in one fashion or another),
3) Get the world opinion/sympathy on their side
4) Demand a ceasefire to protect them
5) Ignore the agreement (but complain loudly that Israel MUST obey).

Seems to me a 4000 man militia did pretty well against an army with world class technology and far superior numbers.

They accomplished their goal.

To weaken Lebanon, generate sympathy while able to cover up the fact that the destruction was caused by their arrogance.

They admitted that they mis-calculated the Israeli response; however, they were willing to allow Lebanon to be damaged to save their face. Israel was pushing them back, slowly because they were relying on technology rather than old fashioon house cleaning.

It was the old fashion method that move the PLO out, not air attacks.

There are articles coming out in the news that Israel had already planned to attack Hamas before their soldiers were kidnapped in July. So I'd say it was Israel that miscalculated and blundered badly.

Israel planned to attack hamas? I thought we were talking about Hizbullah?

Either way color me surprised on attacking Hamas. :roll:

Whoops my mistake, I meant hezbollah: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

/shakes head

I now understand your mindset

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Here

This will develop into another exhibit of UN's incompetence in policing the world.

Why should they disarm though? They were obviously needed to give your bully country a bloody nose now and in the past. If Hezbollah is to disarm then so should Israel...what's that you say, sounds ludicrous? Yeah I thought so.

That was ludicrious, one is a terror organization, the other a soverign nation.

That is like telling the United States it has to disarm if the gangs in LA are forced to.

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

So the US and some of it's citizens are stupid enough to buy into Israel's propaganda? What a surprise.
Anybody who can say Israel's constant barrage of missiles and occupation into Southern Lebanon before and their goal of the elimination of Hezbollah isnt terrorist is very blind.

Fixed and the nazi comparison is laughable (unless you meant Israeli tactics) , stop while you're behind.

Like I have said in the past, if you cant come up with anything of substance and have to resort to lame fixing quotes, please dont waste our time posting.

As for the Nazi comment, that isnt laughable at all, both Hizbullah and Nazi's want an authortarian regime erected and both aim to exterminate the Jews.

I am curious if we should have given the Nazi's a pass at the end of the war because they provide human services to their people. Apparently this is going to be your litmus test if an organization is terrorist in nature and worthy of engaging in the future.

Nazis had a world class military (like Israel), superior numbers (like Israel), far better industrial capabilities (like Israel) and indigenous technology (like Israel). They also believed in Germany's right of lebensraum--to expand and colonize territories for the German people--much like Israel (who's entire foundation is based on some ridiculous religious right). Nazi's also carried out collective punishment against Jews and others (remember it wasn't only Jews that suffered despite your brainwashing) much like Israel does to its neighbors. So like I said, you should quit while you're behind.

Try to concentrate, I understand sometimes you ability to stay on subject is hard.

The comparison is between Hezbullah and the Nazis. Changingg the subject while not being able to answer my simple question proves how illogical of an argument you are making is.

Actually what it proves is that your assertion of Hezbollah being like the Nazis is asinine and quite simplistic (like many of your posts). I took your bait and pointed out to you that it was laughable to compare them since Israel mirrors the Nazis far more than Hezbollah could ever dream.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Here

This will develop into another exhibit of UN's incompetence in policing the world.

Why should they disarm though? They were obviously needed to give your bully country a bloody nose now and in the past. If Hezbollah is to disarm then so should Israel...what's that you say, sounds ludicrous? Yeah I thought so.

That was ludicrious, one is a terror organization, the other a soverign nation.

That is like telling the United States it has to disarm if the gangs in LA are forced to.

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

So the US and some of it's citizens are stupid enough to buy into Israel's propaganda? What a surprise.
Anybody who can say Israel's constant barrage of missiles and occupation into Southern Lebanon before and their goal of the elimination of Hezbollah isnt terrorist is very blind.

Fixed and the nazi comparison is laughable (unless you meant Israeli tactics) , stop while you're behind.

Like I have said in the past, if you cant come up with anything of substance and have to resort to lame fixing quotes, please dont waste our time posting.

As for the Nazi comment, that isnt laughable at all, both Hizbullah and Nazi's want an authortarian regime erected and both aim to exterminate the Jews.

I am curious if we should have given the Nazi's a pass at the end of the war because they provide human services to their people. Apparently this is going to be your litmus test if an organization is terrorist in nature and worthy of engaging in the future.

Nazis had a world class military (like Israel), superior numbers (like Israel), far better industrial capabilities (like Israel), indigenous technology (like Israel) and a strong propaganda machine (like Israel's lobby here in the US). They also believed in Germany's right of lebensraum--to expand and colonize territories for the German people--much like Israel (who's entire foundation is based on some ridiculous religious right). Nazi's also carried out collective punishment against Jews and others (remember it wasn't only Jews that suffered despite your brainwashing) much like Israel does to its neighbors. So like I said, you should quit while you're behind.

Are you upset that Israel had a superior military back in 1967? Because that was the only thing between Islam and killing every man, woman, and child in Israel. It remains that way to this day.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Here

This will develop into another exhibit of UN's incompetence in policing the world.

Why should they disarm though? They were obviously needed to give your bully country a bloody nose now and in the past. If Hezbollah is to disarm then so should Israel...what's that you say, sounds ludicrous? Yeah I thought so.

That was ludicrious, one is a terror organization, the other a soverign nation.

That is like telling the United States it has to disarm if the gangs in LA are forced to.

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

So the US and some of it's citizens are stupid enough to buy into Israel's propaganda? What a surprise.
Anybody who can say Israel's constant barrage of missiles and occupation into Southern Lebanon before and their goal of the elimination of Hezbollah isnt terrorist is very blind.

Fixed and the nazi comparison is laughable (unless you meant Israeli tactics) , stop while you're behind.

Like I have said in the past, if you cant come up with anything of substance and have to resort to lame fixing quotes, please dont waste our time posting.

As for the Nazi comment, that isnt laughable at all, both Hizbullah and Nazi's want an authortarian regime erected and both aim to exterminate the Jews.

I am curious if we should have given the Nazi's a pass at the end of the war because they provide human services to their people. Apparently this is going to be your litmus test if an organization is terrorist in nature and worthy of engaging in the future.

Nazis had a world class military (like Israel), superior numbers (like Israel), far better industrial capabilities (like Israel) and indigenous technology (like Israel). They also believed in Germany's right of lebensraum--to expand and colonize territories for the German people--much like Israel (who's entire foundation is based on some ridiculous religious right). Nazi's also carried out collective punishment against Jews and others (remember it wasn't only Jews that suffered despite your brainwashing) much like Israel does to its neighbors. So like I said, you should quit while you're behind.

Try to concentrate, I understand sometimes you ability to stay on subject is hard.

The comparison is between Hezbullah and the Nazis. Changingg the subject while not being able to answer my simple question proves how illogical of an argument you are making is.

Actually what it proves is that your assertion of Hezbollah being like the Nazis is asinine and quite simplistic (like many of your posts). I took your bait and pointed out to you that it was laughable to compare them since Israel mirrors the Nazis far more than Hezbollah could ever dream.

I see, so you cant justify your position that if an organization is based around the destruction of country and terrorizes that country citizens, but provides human services we should allow them a green pass.

I didnt think you could.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Here

This will develop into another exhibit of UN's incompetence in policing the world.

Why should they disarm though? They were obviously needed to give your bully country a bloody nose now and in the past. If Hezbollah is to disarm then so should Israel...what's that you say, sounds ludicrous? Yeah I thought so.

That was ludicrious, one is a terror organization, the other a soverign nation.

That is like telling the United States it has to disarm if the gangs in LA are forced to.

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

So the US and some of it's citizens are stupid enough to buy into Israel's propaganda? What a surprise.
Anybody who can say Israel's constant barrage of missiles and occupation into Southern Lebanon before and their goal of the elimination of Hezbollah isnt terrorist is very blind.

Fixed and the nazi comparison is laughable (unless you meant Israeli tactics) , stop while you're behind.

Like I have said in the past, if you cant come up with anything of substance and have to resort to lame fixing quotes, please dont waste our time posting.

As for the Nazi comment, that isnt laughable at all, both Hizbullah and Nazi's want an authortarian regime erected and both aim to exterminate the Jews.

I am curious if we should have given the Nazi's a pass at the end of the war because they provide human services to their people. Apparently this is going to be your litmus test if an organization is terrorist in nature and worthy of engaging in the future.

Nazis had a world class military (like Israel), superior numbers (like Israel), far better industrial capabilities (like Israel), indigenous technology (like Israel) and a strong propaganda machine (like Israel's lobby here in the US). They also believed in Germany's right of lebensraum--to expand and colonize territories for the German people--much like Israel (who's entire foundation is based on some ridiculous religious right). Nazi's also carried out collective punishment against Jews and others (remember it wasn't only Jews that suffered despite your brainwashing) much like Israel does to its neighbors. So like I said, you should quit while you're behind.

Are you upset that Israel had a superior military back in 1967? Because that was the only thing between Islam and killing every man, woman, and child in Israel. It remains that way to this day.

Islam? Where's this fairytale country located? Last I checked it was a religion that spanned across the world with several different countries made up of various races and ethnicities with their own national agendas. Israel has a superior military now (thanks to their US sponsorship and diaspora) and because of their victories in the past--along with unquestioned US support--have gotten so arrogant that they now mirror the same people that tried wiping them out in the 40s (if you use Genx87's logic that is).

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Here

This will develop into another exhibit of UN's incompetence in policing the world.

Why should they disarm though? They were obviously needed to give your bully country a bloody nose now and in the past. If Hezbollah is to disarm then so should Israel...what's that you say, sounds ludicrous? Yeah I thought so.

That was ludicrious, one is a terror organization, the other a soverign nation.

That is like telling the United States it has to disarm if the gangs in LA are forced to.

Depends on who you're asking, the EU certainly doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor do the Shia Lebanese people for whom they provide valuable services. In fact in a world opinion poll I bet you'd find the majority of people find Israel to be an aggressive terrorist state.

So the US and some of it's citizens are stupid enough to buy into Israel's propaganda? What a surprise.
Anybody who can say Israel's constant barrage of missiles and occupation into Southern Lebanon before and their goal of the elimination of Hezbollah isnt terrorist is very blind.

Fixed and the nazi comparison is laughable (unless you meant Israeli tactics) , stop while you're behind.

Like I have said in the past, if you cant come up with anything of substance and have to resort to lame fixing quotes, please dont waste our time posting.

As for the Nazi comment, that isnt laughable at all, both Hizbullah and Nazi's want an authortarian regime erected and both aim to exterminate the Jews.

I am curious if we should have given the Nazi's a pass at the end of the war because they provide human services to their people. Apparently this is going to be your litmus test if an organization is terrorist in nature and worthy of engaging in the future.

Nazis had a world class military (like Israel), superior numbers (like Israel), far better industrial capabilities (like Israel) and indigenous technology (like Israel). They also believed in Germany's right of lebensraum--to expand and colonize territories for the German people--much like Israel (who's entire foundation is based on some ridiculous religious right). Nazi's also carried out collective punishment against Jews and others (remember it wasn't only Jews that suffered despite your brainwashing) much like Israel does to its neighbors. So like I said, you should quit while you're behind.

Try to concentrate, I understand sometimes you ability to stay on subject is hard.

The comparison is between Hezbullah and the Nazis. Changingg the subject while not being able to answer my simple question proves how illogical of an argument you are making is.

Actually what it proves is that your assertion of Hezbollah being like the Nazis is asinine and quite simplistic (like many of your posts). I took your bait and pointed out to you that it was laughable to compare them since Israel mirrors the Nazis far more than Hezbollah could ever dream.

I see, so you cant justify your position that if an organization is based around the destruction of country and terrorizes that country citizens, but provides human services we should allow them a green pass.

I didnt think you could.

What's amusing is that you should be asking yourself the same question regarding Israel's military. It certainly provides many invaluable services for the Israeli people while also engaging in attacks against civlians of other nations, protecting aggressive and hostile colonists and has no problem with collective punishment. So I ask you, should the world give Israel a "green pass" after it's demonstrated it's constant disregard for human life?

 

[Jaskalas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

So it was 1973, my date was off. Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq attacked Israel.

Terrorism against Israel and its Allies today spans across all countries of the world, by one connection ? Islam.

 

[Genx87]

What's amusing is that you should be asking yourself the same question regarding Israel's military. It certainly provides many invaluable services for the Israeli people while also engaging in attacks against civlians of other nations, protecting aggressive and hostile colonists and has no problem with collective punishment. So I ask you, should the world give Israel a "green pass" after it's demonstrated it's constant disregard for human life?

I will assume your argument is so shot you cant answer the question. Most people at least have the spine to backup their arguments with an opinion. You? Well apparently all you can do is try to change the subject.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

So it was 1973, my date was off. Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq attacked Israel.

Terrorism against Israel and its Allies today spans across all countries of the world, by one connection ? Islam.

There is no Islamic nation thus there is no war between Islam and Judaism (Israel). If there were, Israel would be wiped off the map tomorrow by Pakistani nukes.

 

[jpeyton]

What do you expect? Israel was embarrassed on the ground with thousands of their soldiers struggling against hundreds of guerrillas.

With Israel killing almost 900 Lebanese civilians, sympathy for Hezbollah has increased significantly. In fact, Hezbollah was seen as the defenders of the Lebanese civilians against the bloodthirsty Israelis.

Nasrallah is as popular as he has ever been. Hezbollah has the money and power to regroup and rearm.

This past month was a strategic blunder by Israel, and even the Israeli's know it (with a number of Israeli politicians launching criticism against Olmert).

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

So it was 1973, my date was off. Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq attacked Israel.

Terrorism against Israel and its Allies today spans across all countries of the world, by one connection ? Islam.

There is no Islamic nation thus there is no war between Islam and Judaism (Israel). If there were, Israel would be wiped off the map tomorrow by Pakistani nukes.

Radical Islam is not a nation; nations are not what we fight today. We fight against the ideals of slaughtering us.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Genx87

What's amusing is that you should be asking yourself the same question regarding Israel's military. It certainly provides many invaluable services for the Israeli people while also engaging in attacks against civlians of other nations, protecting aggressive and hostile colonists and has no problem with collective punishment. So I ask you, should the world give Israel a "green pass" after it's demonstrated it's constant disregard for human life?

I will assume your argument is so shot you cant answer the question. Most people at least have the spine to backup their arguments with an opinion. You? Well apparently all you can do is try to change the subject.

You asked a question that's better fit for yourself to answer regarding Israel. Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization? I don't know, I think if it is then so should large parts of the Israeli military and leadership since they've done far worse than Hezbollah could ever manage. You tried and failed at making a connection between Hezbollah and the Nazis and when I shot down your ridiculous comparison, you resorted to your usual, "nah nah you're not answering my question even though I made a stupid comparison in my original post so I win!" antics.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

So it was 1973, my date was off. Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq attacked Israel.

Terrorism against Israel and its Allies today spans across all countries of the world, by one connection ? Islam.

There is no Islamic nation thus there is no war between Islam and Judaism (Israel). If there were, Israel would be wiped off the map tomorrow by Pakistani nukes.

Radical Islam is not a nation; nations are not what we fight today. We fight against the ideals of slaughtering us.

You just said in your previous post it was a fight between Islam and Israel and now you're saying "Radical Islam". Get your b.s. straight at least.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
What do you expect? Israel was embarrassed on the ground with thousands of their soldiers struggling against hundreds of guerrillas.

With Israel killing almost 900 Lebanese civilians, sympathy for Hezbollah has increased significantly. In fact, Hezbollah was seen as the defenders of the Lebanese civilians against the bloodthirsty Israelis.

Nasrallah is as popular as he has ever been. Hezbollah has the money and power to regroup and rearm.

This past month was a strategic blunder by Israel, and even the Israeli's know it (with a number of Israeli politicians launching criticism against Olmert).

I'd wait to call it a strategic blunder. Isreal did inflict losses on the organization and now has the UN trying to keep the peace in the North. If the UN is able to keep Hebullah out of the area and keep the attacks down. I think Israel got what it wanted, a threat on the northern border minimized.

The anti-israeli crowd will jump for joy a bunch of rag tag terrorists managed to not be obliterated but take a look at the map. The UN nearly covers the entire northern border of Israel now. That means anything from the North will have to slash and burn the UN.

 

[SamurAchzar]

There is no Islamic nation thus there is no war between Islam and Judaism (Israel). If there were, Israel would be wiped off the map tomorrow by Pakistani nukes.

So what you're saying is that were an Islamic state to hold grudge against Israel, and posses nuclear arms, it would destroy it? Lets replace "Pakistani" with "Iranian", does the above sentence still ring true?
Besides, have you ever heard of the Arab League? It might not contain ALL Islamic countries, but it represents enough of them. And their animosity against Israel is well known.

Just answer these questions if you can -
1. Do you think Hizbullah does a service to Lebanon by maintaining this conflict with Israel?
2. Who do you think started the present conflict?
3. Do you think Israel reduced the threat coming from Hizbullah by the current operation?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

There is no Islamic nation thus there is no war between Islam and Judaism (Israel). If there were, Israel would be wiped off the map tomorrow by Pakistani nukes.

So what you're saying is that were an Islamic state to hold grudge against Israel, and posses nuclear arms, it would destroy it? Lets replace "Pakistani" with "Iranian", does the above sentence still ring true?
Besides, have you ever heard of the Arab League? It might not contain ALL Islamic countries, but it represents enough of them. And their animosity against Israel is well known.

I'm not saying that at all, it's Jaskalas that made the claim that Islam (thus all of it's 1.2+ billion followers) were waging a war against Israel. I pointed out to him that if that were the case, Pakistani nukes would've flattened Israel. Thus it proves there is no war between Islam and Israel and if it's anybody that has a grudge, it's the right-wing Israelis that are constantly looking to expand and kill--note I said right-wing Israelis because I know there's a lot of Israelis that actually enjoy peace.

Even if Iran were to get nuclear weapons (which I doubt they ever will because even other Muslim nations don't want them to have it), they wouldn't be foolish enough to allow them to fall into the hands of Hezbollah/Hamas nor would they ever think of using them on Israel since they'd be wiped out as well. The Iranians would only use nuclear weapons as a deterrant much like any other country today does.

As for the Arab League, it's not an Arab supernation is it? They still have their own borders, agendas and quarrels. Not only that, but Arabs are actually a minority in Islam.

Edit: Since you edited your post and added those questions:

Just answer these questions if you can -
1. Do you think Hizbullah does a service to Lebanon by maintaining this conflict with Israel?
2. Who do you think started the present conflict?
3. Do you think Israel reduced the threat coming from Hizbullah by the current operation?


1. If it weren't for Hezbollah, Israel would still be in Lebanon. Israel has never formally ceased hostilities with Hezbollah, it's constantly called for it's disarmament and that's not going to happen. Israel didn't leave Lebanon in good faith in the past, it got a bloody nose (like it did now) and cut and run.

2. According to Seymour Hersh, Israel was already planning to attack Hezbollah with the US's blessings: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

3. I'd contend that there never was a threat in the first place. Israel hasn't addressed the issue of detaining hundreds of Lebanese nor has it ever formally ceased hostilities with Hezbollah--rather the opposite, it's always desired to wipe out the adversary that pushed it out of Leabnon's borders.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87

What's amusing is that you should be asking yourself the same question regarding Israel's military. It certainly provides many invaluable services for the Israeli people while also engaging in attacks against civlians of other nations, protecting aggressive and hostile colonists and has no problem with collective punishment. So I ask you, should the world give Israel a "green pass" after it's demonstrated it's constant disregard for human life?

I will assume your argument is so shot you cant answer the question. Most people at least have the spine to backup their arguments with an opinion. You? Well apparently all you can do is try to change the subject.

You asked a question that's better fit for yourself to answer regarding Israel. Should Hezbollah be considered a terrorist organization? I don't know, I think if it is then so should large parts of the Israeli military and leadership since they've done far worse than Hezbollah could ever manage. You tried and failed at making a connection between Hezbollah and the Nazis and when I shot down your ridiculous comparison, you resorted to your usual, "nah nah you're not answering my question even though I made a stupid comparison in my original post so I win!" antics.

Uh huh, you still dont want to admit it, instead pleading ignorance and the wishy washy "I dont know" answer. If you dont know, how can you possibly defend them as a humanitarian ogranization for the lebanese people.