Atreus21 asks, "And you believe excessive property taxes are morally equivalent to being suicide-bombed? "
No but its sure the moral equivalent of ethnic cleaning and apartheid. Religious differences are not always socially dangerous, but pair them with economic discrimination at the same time and they become explosively dangerous while creating hatreds that last for generations.
And cheer up, suicide bombing is so yesterday, now that terrorists have acquired other means, they no longer need employ suicide bombers as the only means.
Nor has Israel advanced much from the days they were the bomb throwing terrorists in the former British mandate of Palestine, now that they have planes and tanks they can and do terrorize innocent civilians the civilized way.
Nor should you take it the wrong way as your one sided myths are challenged, most rational people realize there are legitimate grievances on both sides, but if things are not done and done soon to defuse the grievances and defuse tensions, the world is heading for a mid-east bloodbath as the balance of power is no longer one sided Israeli.
The referenced article does not claim the water was shutoff.Did Israel turn the water back on yet?
Did they actually shut off the water?
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Atreus21 says, "Most rational people look at evidence and draw conclusions. Hamas and Hezbollah deliberately target civilians as a matter of tactics. Israel doesn't.
That makes things pretty clear.
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Thinks would be clearer if your latter statement was correct, because the only conclusion of the Lebanese and Gaza incursions was that Israel was diligently attacking civilians. 300 children in Gaza killed, its hard to make the case that Israel uses restraint given those facts. And worse yet, there is some evidence that Israeli troops were under orders to target women and children.
Terrorist kill civilians, its true of Palestinian terrorists and and true of the Israeli military, the big difference is that the Israeli military kills far more innocent civilians than Palestinian terrorists kill innocent Israelis by a factor of 20 X or more.
Sure, Israel just wants to continue occupying the Lebanese territory Shebaa Farms, terrorize Lebanese by constantly doing sonic-bomb flyovers on them, and deny the rights of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges Lebanon has hosted for decades while continuing to wipe Palestine off the map.Obviously these weapons WILL be used at one point or another, otherwise there's no explanation to why Hizballah is amassing them - Israel has no quarrels with Lebanon itself whatsoever.
Rather, because of the lack of any balance of power, Israel can and does invade Lebanon whenever it pleases. That is why Hezbollah formed in the first place, and it is why they continue to be so interested in building a deterrence.So Hizballah can once again invade the Israeli territory, attack Israeli troops and civilians and nothing would happen, because of the balance of power?
The human shields claim is just one of the many lies Zionists use to excuse their slaughter of innocents. In as the US Army war college notes:Looks like Hizbullah has restocked their ammo and civilian shields....
If you want to actually see people using human shields, you watch some video of Israeli solders doing it.Hezbollah is often described as having used
civilians as shields in 2006, and, in fact, they made
extensive use of civilian homes as direct fire combat
positions and to conceal launchers for rocket fire into
Israel.90 Yet the villages Hezbollah used to anchor its
defensive system in southern Lebanon were largely
evacuated by the time Israeli ground forces crossed the
border on July 18. As a result, the key battlefields in the
land campaign south of the Litani River were mostly
devoid of civilians, and IDF participants consistently
report little or no meaningful intermingling of
Hezbollah fighters and noncombatants. Nor is there
any systematic reporting of Hezbollah using civilians
in the combat zone as shields. The fighting in southern
Lebanon was chiefly urban, in the built-up areas of
the small to medium-size villages and towns typical
of the region. But it was not significantly intermingled
with a civilian population that had fled by the time the
ground fighting began. Hezbollah made very effective
use of local cover and concealment (see below), but this
was obtained almost entirely from the terrainboth
natural and man-made.
Where are these Israeli numbers you keep alluding to? Regardless, not only does Israel steal most of the water from the aquifers on Palestinian territory, they demolish Palestinians attempts to supply themselves with water otherwise.Also, the article is based on Palestinian provided numbers -Israeli numbers are different.
Sure, Israel just wants to continue occupying the Lebanese territory Shebaa Farms, terrorize Lebanese by constantly doing sonic-bomb flyovers on them, and deny the rights of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges Lebanon has hosted for decades while continuing to wipe Palestine off the map.
Rather, because of the lack of any balance of power, Israel can and does invade Lebanon whenever it pleases. That is why Hezbollah formed in the first place, and it is why they continue to be so interested in building a deterrence.
The human shields claim is just one of the many lies Zionists use to excuse their slaughter of innocents. In as the US Army war college notes:
If you want to actually see people using human shields, you watch some video of Israeli solders doing it.
Where are these Israeli numbers you keep alluding to? Regardless, not only does Israel steal most of the water from the aquifers on Palestinian territory, they demolish Palestinians attempts to supply themselves with water otherwise.
Sure, Israel just wants to continue occupying the Lebanese territory Shebaa Farms, terrorize Lebanese by constantly doing sonic-bomb flyovers on them, and deny the rights of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges Lebanon has hosted for decades while continuing to wipe Palestine off the map.
Rather, because of the lack of any balance of power, Israel can and does invade Lebanon whenever it pleases. That is why Hezbollah formed in the first place, and it is why they continue to be so interested in building a deterrence.
Why did Israel go into Lebanon in the beginning - because there were Palestinian terrorists using it as a base to atack Israel (conviently ignored?)
Why does Israel go into Lebanon now - because of attacks.
Where are these Israeli numbers you keep alluding to? Regardless, not only does Israel steal most of the water from the aquifers on Palestinian territory, they demolish Palestinians attempts to supply themselves with water otherwise.
In the CBS article you linked to, the article also presents Israeli side of the equation - or that does not count. The Amnestyreport only took the Palestinian numbers; they refused to look at the Israeli numbers. Biased?
Palestinians had not used the aquifer nor did they know about it. Israelis found and developedit.
Also, the article states that the Israel water consumption has gone down per capita, while the Palestinian usage has gone up.
Gaza is a mess because Hamas caused it to be that way. Israel is under no obliation to make life easy in Gaza as long as Gaza is hostile to them.
Let the Arabs take car of their brothers - the Palestinians reject Israel - why should they get handouts from them.
Your a real nutjob...thats for sure.....
Rather, I understand the fact that there wouldn't have been Palestinian refugees in Lebanon were it not for Zionists having ethnically cleansed them from their homeland to create the state of Israel.Why did Israel go into Lebanon in the beginning - because there were Palestinian terrorists using it as a base to atack Israel (conviently ignored?)
Israel violates Lebanon sovereignty constantly, regardless of whether or not any attacks are coming from there.Why does Israel go into Lebanon now - because of attacks.
It counts for wait it is, obfuscation of the fact that Israel steals far more water from Palestinian territory for themselves than what they sell to Palestinians. Israel don't deny Amnesty's numbers, just throws up various arguments in lame attempts to justify them.In the CBS article you linked to, the article also presents Israeli side of the equation - or that does not count.
That isn't actually what it says.Also, the article states that the Israel water consumption has gone down per capita, while the Palestinian usage has gone up.
Palestinians aren't asking for handouts from Israel, they are just asking Israel to get the fuck out of what little is left of Palestine.Let the Arabs take car of their brothers - the Palestinians reject Israel - why should they get handouts from them.
Rather, under the British Mandate Palestinians had a rich agricultural industry, which was stolen along with their land by Zionists snakes like much like yourself.In the beginning the Palestinian Arabs had a desert. Now that the Israelis have demonstrated how to turn the desert into a livable area, the Palestinians want the fruits of such labor. Demonstrating the attitude of being leeches again.
I don't identify with any killers, that's your bag.Nutjob is a poor description for those loyal to Islamic terrorism. It belies the reason they oppose us and identify with our killers.
That it is, which is why the delusional fuckers backing Israeli terrorism and extreme violence here are incapable of coming to terms with the fact that I have no loyalty to any such madness.I think mentally ill is apt for any belief of terrorism or extreme violence.
It's basically the same lame excuse as our government's users for the "unprovoked" threats and "our" countless "unprovoked" attacks on Lebanon and Palestine.What's Iran's excuse for these unprovoked threats and their countless unprovoked attacks on Israel during the last few decades?
What do you figure would stop Israel from bombing a desalinization plant, particularly considering the Gaza power plant and all the other vital Palestinian infrastructure which Israel has destroyed over the decades?You do realize that if the Palestinians purchased desalinization equipment instead of rockets, missiles, explosives for terrorists' suicide bomber vest and such that this would not be a problem, right? Israel would not have the power to shut off their water, whether or not they did in this case.
Hamas claims they aren't terrorists. Of course they are, but then so is the Israeli government.It's a good rule of thumb that if you elect self-proclaimed terrorists as your government, your standard of living will be somewhat primitive.
Palestinians are both Christians and Muslims, the vast majority aren't trying to kill them, but and Israelis kill them just the same simply because they aren't Jews.Water just isn't a priority for terrorists, too many other ways to kill Jews and Christians.
What do term do you suggest I use to refer people of the political persuasion represented by groups like the World Zionist Organization and the Zionist Organization of America, or are you of the opinion that sane people pretend Zionism doesn't exist?I've found over the years that the term "Zionist" is a pretty good field test to identify nuts in general.
well, even though you resorted to standard-issue deflection, rather than answering the question directly, at least you admitted that Iran has been conducting unprovoked attacks against Israel for several decades now... that's a good start.It's basically the same lame excuse as our government's users for the "unprovoked" threats and "our" countless "unprovoked" attacks on Lebanon and Palestine.
Haven't read the whole thread, but I'm thinking that if Hezbollah has the capability they boast of, let them attack.
Then Israel let's lose wit everything they have.
We'll finally know who has the biggest pecker in the ME.
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Then Israel let's lose wit everything they have.
We'll finally know who has the biggest pecker in the ME.
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We already know who has the biggest pecker in the mid-east, its Israel hands down.
And in Mexico the drug traffickers have a bigger pecker than the Mexican government.
In short, might does not always make right.
And your point was? Maybe I should make it for you, Israel should bring back the gas ovens of Hitler and kill their victims. And oh what a wonderful world it will be.
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We already know who has the biggest pecker in the mid-east, its Israel hands down.
And in Mexico the drug traffickers have a bigger pecker than the Mexican government.
In short, might does not always make right.
And your point was? Maybe I should make it for you, Israel should bring back the gas ovens of Hitler and kill their victims. And oh what a wonderful world it will be.
Haven't read the whole thread, but I'm thinking that if Hezbollah has the capability they boast of, let them attack.
Then Israel let's lose wit everything they have.
We'll finally know who has the biggest pecker in the ME.