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Hive mind help? Gift for young man... microscope???

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This boy turns 13 end of this month. His bar mitzvah is happening on leap day! I will attend (500 mile flight, etc.).

I got an email a few days ago from my sister asking me if I wanted to chip in to buy the kid a Macbook of some kind, they figured it in the neighborhood of $2000, and a few other family members were onboard. Sister said she was in for $400, wondered if I wanted to get onboard.

I'd been thinking for weeks about my gift.... When I was his age I had a small almost toy-like microscope. It probably weighed 14 ounces or less, had 3 objectives and IIRC, the maximum was around 120x. I used to culture yard waste + water and look at one celled animals squirm on a slide+cover... parameciums, amoebas, whatever. Very easy to do. I didn't go much beyond that but that was a lot of fun. Don't know where I got it, it may have well been a gift for my bar mitzvah by someone!

I've given a few bar mitzvah gifts in recent years. One I got when I was 13 was a deluxe big world atlas. So, I gave two kids a similar gift. This time, I figure go beyond that.

For a few years I have been thinking of buying myself a microscope. I have a few uses for one, didn't know what to get. Just before Thanksgiving I bought myself a big step up from what I had as a kid, this:

Amscope B120-E5. Also got a box of slides+covers, a slide storage box and a set of 25 sample slides that are highly regarded by customer reviewers at Amazon and Amscope's site.

This year, our Thanksgiving family party was thrown at this bar mitzvah boy's house in San Diego. His folks put me up in the kid's room (he shared his younger brother's room those 2 days). I spotted a reflecting telescope in his room (maybe 4 inches?) and wondered if he'd like a microscope. Conversations mentioned that the invitations for the bar mitzvah were in the mail! I guess the wheels in my brain started turning then...

So, I thought to myself ... "would this kid like something similar to what I got...maybe the same setup?"

A bit of background: His folks have 2 boys. The other is maybe 2 years younger at most. His dad is my older brother's youngest son. That brother died 10 years ago. He was a vascular & general surgeon. Our father was an anesthesiologist. I steered clear of medicine. My brother was almost 6 years older than me, he was always miles ahead of me, so to speak, already well on his path before I had a chance to much think about mine. I had to do something different.

However, my nephew, this bar mitzvah boy's father, was my brother's youngest son, eventually became an M.D. and specialized like his father in vascular & general surgery, and they were partners in practice until my brother died. My father was partners in practice with his brother! So, it's a bit of a family tradition there.

Well, I don't know what this kid's predilections are, but he and his younger brother are bright, well behaved kids and I figure they're doing very well in school, have bright futures. Nice kids.

So, I answer my sister's email yesterday saying, I'll let the cat out of the bag and I explain my contemplating giving the kid a gift of similar cost, provide the links to the scope at Amscope and Amazon. I cc'd the other people in on the Mac buy, and also cc'd the kid's parents, figuring I should give them a chance to influence my decision.

I finish the mail by saying I figured why not at the same time gift the younger brother (now probably 11 1/2 year old) the same scope & extras so each has his own. IOW, give the younger brother his bar mitzvah gift early.

Well, what do you think? For one thing, I don't know microscopy particularly. Maybe something else would be better for these kids. I figure the setup I got would serve a kid approaching middle school, high school, university... I mean, everybody in our extended family has gone on to university educations! Myself, I majored in physics, and ultimately graduated in math. I don't remember taking any biology at all in school! But times are different, I wish I had taken some biology classes. I'm not sure they were even offered in my junior and high schools! My chemistry class had no biological chemistry involved, either in high school or freshman chemistry at the U.

My sister emailed me back, not uncharacteristically tersely: "That's great." That's all she said! My sister and her partner are Apple folks, I've never bought an Apple product in my life. However, I don't want to be tech political here. The kids' uncle's wife was more effusive, praising my ideas as thoughtful and that it was great to give something I would like myself. I responded that with gratitude and explained that I wasn't certain it was the right microscope for them.

Edit: I would have included the link to the scope I bought for myself and am contemplating for these kids above, but the AT forums software screwed that up (when will they fix this site???), so I'm putting it here, where it won't screw up the above!

Amscope B120-E5
 
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What are you asking exactly? I wouldn't have liked a microscope when I was 13, not for more than a week anyway. That's kind of a particular gift, and highly specialized. If someone doesn't want to do the one thing a microscope can do, it'll be worthless.
 
What are you asking exactly? I wouldn't have liked a microscope when I was 13, not for more than a week anyway. That's kind of a particular gift, and highly specialized. If someone doesn't want to do the one thing a microscope can do, it'll be worthless.
Maybe. But a microscope can do more than one thing. It's another dimension for looking at the world. People who have never used one aren't aware of that. Similarly, a telescope, which he already has. He's gonna have a laptop, all his friends will, I imagine. Whether I go onboard with that idea, that will happen regardless. Myself, I liked my microscope, didn't just use it for a week. TBH, I missed it the last 10 years or so.

Of course, my question is multi-faceted. Is microscope really a good idea and if so, is the one I selected for myself a best/good idea for this kid.
 
I would go with a low power stereo microscope over a biological compound scope. There is more stuff to look at and one doesn't need to prep a slide to use it.
I was wondering about that, actually. I don't think I've ever used one but the option was brought to my attention a few years ago when I posted here asking about microscopes, if people had one... I was (like I said) wanting one for a few years. @zinfamous recommended a decent stereo scope, I'll hunt down the link and include it here:

@zinfamous suggestion in my thread, Do you have a microscope ~4 years ago: Nikon 20x stereo scope.

Amazon shows that particular 20x stereo scope unavailable right now.
 
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From webpage you linked:

Software Specifications:

  • OS Requirements: Windows (32/64 bit) XP/Vista/7/8/10)



Didn't you say they were Apple users?




What are you asking exactly? I wouldn't have liked a microscope when I was 13, not for more than a week anyway. That's kind of a particular gift, and highly specialized. If someone doesn't want to do the one thing a microscope can do, it'll be worthless.



Might be safer going with a nice Visa gift-card no?
 
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What are you asking exactly? I wouldn't have liked a microscope when I was 13, not for more than a week anyway. That's kind of a particular gift, and highly specialized. If someone doesn't want to do the one thing a microscope can do, it'll be worthless.
I'm with you. Unless this kid also wants to be a doctor, the Macbook will get more use.
 
Well, hmm. I remember distinctly, my mom got my a bicycle for my birthday at some young age; I told her to take it back, and get my a power drill. I still have that power drill, great for projects. Blank&Decker 1/4in shank, I think. Built / modded many a small electronics project with it.

So, hmm. On one hand, a sort of nerdy/quirky gift like that could propel him in that sort of "scientific direction", but on the other hand, unless he himself has hinted at something like that, like I did with my mom, I hesitate to suggest that over the probably more-usable, but at the same time, more quickly to become obsolete Macbook.

(I would never buy an Apple product myself, not even for another person either, so I get that too, maybe the Microscope would be an "out" for that.)


Edit: That being said, if I can put on my "Futurist Cap" for a moment - it;'s 2020, why don't we have scanning tunneling microscopes that hook up to a PC, available at BestBuy and Radio Shack, inexpensively (under $200), and instead of EZ-Bake Ovens, why not home silicon lithography kits. I mean, we have 3D printers, surely home silicon lithography can't be far behind. (And yes, I know, in this reality, Radio Shack closed. I'm sort of imagining a "Bill & Ted" type of future, where this sort of thing is easily available and cheap, and the future is positive, and not on the edge of cataclysm, and Radio Shack is still a thriving techie hang-out, like it was in the 80s and 90s.)
 
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Well, hmm. I remember distinctly, my mom got my a bicycle for my birthday at some young age; I told her to take it back, and get my a power drill. I still have that power drill, great for projects. Blank&Decker 1/4in shank, I think. Built / modded many a small electronics project with it.
Heh... My father got me a bunch of elementary tools when I was about 13, and I still use them. My favorite is the handcranked drill. It's gotten wobbly due to abuse, but I still use it often. It's in the back of my truck. Cordless power, and no batteries to worry about.
 
What are you asking exactly? I wouldn't have liked a microscope when I was 13, not for more than a week anyway. That's kind of a particular gift, and highly specialized. If someone doesn't want to do the one thing a microscope can do, it'll be worthless.

That's the right answer. A microscope is a GREAT gift for .001% of boys that age and a complete waste for everyone else. If you're not completely sure which group he's in pass.
 
From webpage you linked:

Software Specifications: OS Requirements: Windows (32/64 bit) XP/Vista/7/8/10)
Didn't you say they were Apple users?

Might be safer going with a nice Visa gift-card no?
True, he's likely a Mac user. I think there are/is workaround for that, reading user comments. There's some Mac software that will make use of the camera. I'll definitely consider the gift-card option.
 
How about a subscription to Playboy? I mean, he is becoming a man. Time to start acting like one.
That's funny. My dad did that and (when I was this kid's age) I got ahold of his copies (although I had to find them and steal them to do that, but he never said anything). Man, I really loved his girly mags! 🙂 And, IIRC, I never returned them! He'd just buy other mags, and I'd cop them from time to time. 😀
 
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13 year old 2k macbook pro, err no. Not happening.

also, do you know if the kid is into biology?
I don't know that, I really don't know what he's into. But at his stage in school I don't know if that's part of the curricula. Obviously it will be available to him (and his now ~11 1/2 year old brother) going forward, I assume so, in San Diego. They actually live in La Mesa.

@zinfamous, got anything to say on this?
 
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I don't know why I didn't get the alerts...but I did click on the microscope thread. 😀

I concur with IW that if you go with a scope, get something simpler with less-fancy glass that you can use to also look at rocks and water and soil samples and such, without needing a slide.

Maybe that Nikon has a newer model. I dunno.
Dad purchased one of these several years ago, and the brief time I helped set up and we looked at some of his stuff (mainly for local water samples and for general field instruction), it seemed fairly decent for the price. I only spent a few minutes with it, though.


....but I'm also not sure if it's the best idea for a 13 year-old. Kinda depends what they are into and what interests they are truly invested in (rare that any 13 year-old is actually invested in any sort of interest, more than a month or so, anyway).

I think it's a cool idea, and surely some kids would be into it, but expect nearly anything you purchase for a 13 year old will be forgotten by the next year.
 
I don't know that, I really don't know what he's into. But at his stage in school I don't know if that's part of the curricula. Obviously it will be available to him (and his now ~11 1/2 year old brother) going forward, I assume so, in San Diego. They actually live in La Mesa.

@zinfamous, got anything to say on this?

Get him a windows laptop for 400. Good enough.

I am still on my C$1500 inc tax 2010 laptop :colbert:

And I paid for it.


I did ask for a microscope with projection when I was 12 though, but I ain't your nephew.
 
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I don't know why I didn't get the alerts...but I did click on the microscope thread. 😀
It's because I only added the @ symbol as an afterthought. You didn't see the reference until I posted a new message including @zinfamous.

I concur with IW that if you go with a scope, get something simpler with less-fancy glass that you can use to also look at rocks and water and soil samples and such, without needing a slide.

Maybe that Nikon has a newer model. I dunno.
Dad purchased one of these several years ago, and the brief time I helped set up and we looked at some of his stuff (mainly for local water samples and for general field instruction), it seemed fairly decent for the price. I only spent a few minutes with it, though.
That "one of these" link doesn't work. It's evidently not associated with a site. My cursor over it doesn't produce an option to hit a link.

Edit: Whoa! It's working now... not from your post but from my quote of it in this post... weird!

....but I'm also not sure if it's the best idea for a 13 year-old. Kinda depends what they are into and what interests they are truly invested in (rare that any 13 year-old is actually invested in any sort of interest, more than a month or so, anyway).

I think it's a cool idea, and surely some kids would be into it, but expect nearly anything you purchase for a 13 year old will be forgotten by the next year.
His parents are really cool, but they don't seem super ambitious. The kids are well behaved. I didn't witness it (I was cut off from the family for 20 years, something I was going through), but the kid's father was said to be a problem for his father, i.e. my brother. But I don't sense anything like that going on with these two kids. I give a lot of credit to their mom. She'd never stand for nonsense (although I can't imagine her fighting when them)! They just mind her, is my impression. The kids don't seem hung up at all. They are bright and attentive, is my sense. There may be stuff going on I don't see... I hardly ever see them, maybe once a year.

Yeah, that statement about a 13 YO being very unlikely to hold interest in practically anything for a whole year kinda blows my mind. I haven't really been around 13 YO's since I was 13 YO, basically.
 
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Get him a windows laptop for 400. Good enough.

I am still on my C$1500 inc tax 2010 laptop :colbert:

And I paid for it.


I did ask for a microscope with projection when I was 12 though, but I ain't your nephew.
Oh, cool. So that's something the kid might really like... that's good to hear. I mean, I just dreamed this up based on what I remember from back then. I had fun with that tiny microscope.

Most of the gifts I got then made almost no impression on me. Money, you forget who gave you money. I think someone gave me a cheap hand held telescope, the kind you see in movies about 1800's sailing ships! There's not a lot you can do with one of those! I was also given a ring by my uncle who sold diamonds to jewelry shops. It had a tiny diamond in it, my uncle called it a "chip!" Don't know what eventually became of it. I wore it for a while. I got a lot of cuff links, tie clips, and a little leather circular case you keep those in! I still have that. But I don't use cuff links or tie clips, so ....
 
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