History: Lumumba, Africa, Eisenhower, JFK

[Craig234]

In a thread that's now closed that was about Pakistan, a posted linked to an issue about some history of the US and Africa.

I wrote a reply to that post, but since the thread was closed, can't post it there, but it's of interest as its own topic, albeit an unfortunately obscure one today.

It was a part of the world shift from European colonialism, to independence.

LOLOLOLOL I remember when I was young enough to believe the US doesn't randomly do shit in random countries.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/21/patrice_lumumba_50_years_later_remembering

The history of Lumumba, the US, Eisenhower, JFK, is important and almost unknown in the US.

Here's an interesting article summarizing it - ignore the context of the site as assassination related, for this topic.

Lumumba played an important role in Kennedy's idea for supporting more independence over colonialism in Africa - directly at odds with the Dulles brothers, who had been Eisenhower's Secretary of State and head of the CIA under Eisenhower, and who continued as head of the CIA under Kennedy until forced by JFK to resign later.

Lumumba was tortured and killed three days before JFK was inaugurated, without his knowledge, on the orders of his soon to be CIA director Allen Dulles.

There's a good but hard to find out of print book about just this, "JFK: Ordeal in Africa":

http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Ordeal-Ric.../dp/0195033418

Kennedy didn't learn of the assassination until the next month; the books's cover photo says it all, of JFK when he was informed. Another copy is here:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...page=1&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0&tx=55&ty=87

 

[Abwx]

Lol.....

Obviously, this thread has some difficulties taking off..!!

One can suppose that US people willfully refuse to aknowledge
that their country is more of a democracy killer than anything else
when it comes to foreign people s rights...

 

[Infohawk]

Lol.....

Obviously, this thread has some difficulties taking off..!!

One can suppose that US people willfully refuse to aknowledge
that their country is more of a democracy killer than anything else
when it comes to foreign people s rights...

I for one don't deny that the US has had some horrible foreign policy in the past, but your America-bashing is boring and unoriginal. What brought you to P&N? And did you know you don't have to type the enter keep if you haven't ended a sentence?

If this thread is having difficulty getting off the ground, it's because people don't like reading craig's wall of irrelevant text posts.

 

[theeedude]

I for one don't deny that the US has had some horrible foreign policy in the past, but your America-bashing is boring and unoriginal. What brought you to P&N? And did you know you don't have to type the enter keep if you haven't ended a sentence?

If this thread is having difficulty getting off the ground, it's because people don't like reading craig's wall of irrelevant text posts.

What is your post contributing? At least the OP is informative.

 

[Abwx]

I for one don't deny that the US has had some horrible foreign policy in the past, but your America-bashing is boring and unoriginal.

If this thread is having difficulty getting off the ground, it's because people don't like reading craig's wall of irrelevant text posts.

A rare post when you start a sentence with some intellectual
honnesty , but unfortunately you just don t realize that you
are trashing muslims in all threads as much as you can, to
the point that you re branding me the same but in reverse..

Generaly, i give credit when credit is due, be it the US.
I already pointed that USA has some unique qualities
among all nations, though it would deserve a thread
of its own..

As for Craig s post, well, it s somewhat messy since
there s quite a lot of information to digest in respect
of the links he provided, and that simply lacks
the entertainment value of threads where US people
have freedom to celebrate themselves...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What is your post contributing? At least the OP is informative.

Something informative would be how people who have a problem with US actions explain how they would have handled Bin Laden instead of using the situation to bash us. Since they cannot come up with a workable alternative this will be the result.

 

[Infohawk]

A rare post when you start a sentence with some intellectual
honnesty , but unfortunately you just don t realize that you
are trashing muslims in all threads as much as you can, to
the point that you re branding me the same but in reverse..

Generaly, i give credit when credit is due, be it the US.
I already pointed that USA has some unique qualities
among all nations, though it would deserve a thread
of its own..

As for Craig s post, well, it s somewhat messy since
there s quite a lot of information to digest in respect
of the links he provided, and that simply lacks
the entertainment value of threads where US people
have freedom to celebrate themselves...

Is your weird formatting an attempt to make your writing style look different than the other accounts you might post under?

 

[theeedude]

Something informative would be how people who have a problem with US actions explain how they would have handled Bin Laden instead of using the situation to bash us. Since they cannot come up with a workable alternative this will be the result.

That would be informative in a Bin Laden thread, which this is not.

 

[CanOWorms]

People on this forum tend not to be interested in African issues. They'll just say that Eisenhower "modernized" them or that he should be thanked for what he did.

 

[Abwx]

Is your weird formatting an attempt to make your writing style look different than the other accounts you might post under?

Lol...
Just dont make a fool of yourself,
and if ever you have some doubts,
ask Commoncourtesy since he s a mod,
you ll just have a blatant evidence
that you re somewhat paranoid...

 

[Infohawk]

Lol...
Just dont make a fool of yourself,
and if ever you have some doubts,
ask Commoncourtesy since he s a mod,
you ll just have a blatant evidence
that you re somewhat paranoid...

Dude I can barely understand what you're writing So what's with your retarded formatting?

 

[Abwx]

Dude I can barely understand what you're writing So what's with your retarded formatting?

Told you that you just have to ask a mod
to check if i m a sock puppeting pundit...

btw, what the f. are you talking about
when you say "formatting" ??...

 

[Infohawk]

Told you that you just have to ask a mod
to check if i m a sock puppeting pundit...

btw, what the f. are you talking about
when you say "formatting" ??...

Your word wrapping or lack of it is what I'm talking about.

Would it
be normal
if all my posts
were formatted
like this? You
don't see the
difference?

PS I don't really think the mods are capable of catching alt accounts from a technical standpoint but I also don't really care enough to ask them about it.

 

[Abwx]

Your word wrapping or lack of it is what I'm talking about.

Would it
be normal
if all my posts
were formatted
like this? You
don't see the
difference?

PS I don't really think the mods are capable of catching alt accounts from a technical standpoint but I also don't really care enough to ask them about it.

Hey, you re exagerating , i didn t wrap that much..!!!
Indeed, i dont make it willingly.
Let s say that i m using a 15.6" laptop...

As for multiple registration, just don t check since
you ll find yourself making false assumptions...