Historical discussion: Was the Jay Treaty a bad idea?

[Anarchist420]

I think it was. The War of 1812 wouldn't have happened. We still may have had a war without the Jay Treaty, but we would've had France help us out, the war would've been over much quicker, and Britain would've recognized Antifederalist sovereignty much earlier.

In fact, I think that had the Jay Treaty not been ratified by the Senate, we'd be better off today as the War of 1812 set some dangerous precedents and the Presidency of Our Savior, Thomas Jefferson failed to stop dangerous precedents, partly because the Jay Treaty was ratified.

I know I'm biased against the Federalists, but I don't think they had one good idea, and the Jay Treaty was a disaster just like all of the rest of the Federalist Party platform.

 

[Vette73]

 

[Raswan]

I think it was. The War of 1812 wouldn't have happened. We still may have had a war without the Jay Treaty, but we would've had France help us out, the war would've been over much quicker, and Britain would've recognized Antifederalist sovereignty much earlier.

In fact, I think that had the Jay Treaty not been ratified by the Senate, we'd be better off today as the War of 1812 set some dangerous precedents and the Presidency of Our Savior, Thomas Jefferson failed to stop dangerous precedents, partly because the Jay Treaty was ratified.

I know I'm biased against the Federalists, but I don't think they had one good idea, and the Jay Treaty was a disaster just like all of the rest of the Federalist Party platform.

you don't think the federalists had one good idea? better stop using money, or a credit card if you have one. also, better go live in western MA where they use their own currency, since you don't want a standardized one. et cetera. et cetera. et cetera. et cetera. et--you get the point.

antifederalists circa 1785=libertarians today. get with the program jackholes.

take a history class, and stop getting your stuff from glen beck

 

[Raswan]

sorry marlin, i couldn't help myself.

 

[piasabird]

What if you were never born?

Who cares?

We can not change history, so what is the point?

Come to think of it, What is the Jay Treaty? What good is there knowing about it?

 

[piasabird]

It was either that or side with the French and to go to War with Britian. Britian still had troops and Ships in our harbors.

President George Washington sent Chief Justice John Jay to London to negotiate a treaty that would settle American disputes with Great Britain and avoid another war between the two nations. This was a sorely disputed treaty that USA relunctantly agreed to by a slim margin in congress. Vote was 20 to 10 in favor, and it resulted in reparations to be paid to the crown. However, England was seizing our mercantile vessels and forcing americans into service for their war with France.

Maybe if we had sided with France we would all be speaking French or Canada would cover the whole continent. I just could not see that happening. I think we had more in common with England, than France.

 

[jhu]

Anarchist420, the fleabag of P&N. Every subforum must have one.

 

[Matt1970]

We still may have had a war without the Jay Treaty, but we would've had France help us out, the war would've been over much quicker, and Britain would've recognized Antifederalist sovereignty much earlier.

Na, it would have just been one more war for France to surrender on.

 

[piasabird]

http://www.answers.com/topic/jay-treaty

What if we never had a tea party and we were still a British Colony? Maybe we fought the revolutionary war for nothing!!

This is such a stupid path to go down.

Maybe everything we did was our destiny and God was leading the country to freedom.

 

[werepossum]

Even though I have no opinion whatsoever I cannot help posting in any hisotrical discussion thread.

Um, "hisotrical" means acid-spawned, right?

 

[CallMeJoe]

Even though I have no opinion whatsoever I cannot help posting in any hisotrical discussion thread.
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