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Hisense TVs are great

greybaby

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Thanks, I'm on a tight budget and just got the basement remodeled and need to get a TV for the downstairs! Good to know that I can get decent quality for cheap if I'm willing to do some calibration.
 

smitbret

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Thanks, I'm on a tight budget and just got the basement remodeled and need to get a TV for the downstairs! Good to know that I can get decent quality for cheap if I'm willing to do some calibration.

Get a Samsung Plasma while you can then. If you are going to spend the effort to calibrate, even a mid quality Samsung or Panasonic plasma will blow away any HiSense or pretty much anything but the best LED/LCD TVs out there.
 

SickBeast

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Get a Samsung Plasma while you can then. If you are going to spend the effort to calibrate, even a mid quality Samsung or Panasonic plasma will blow away any HiSense or pretty much anything but the best LED/LCD TVs out there.
Plasmas use way too much electricity compared to LED TVs. Plasmas also suffer from burn-in. Forget about hooking your PC up to a plasma.

Also, the black levels and contrast ratios of the newer VA panels in LED TVs can match or exceed what you can get with a plasma. You get way more brightness with an LED TV as well.

From what I am reading, the Hisense TVs use the same panels as Samsung TVs. I'm really happy with mine. You guys can get them through Walmart for next to nothing in the states. I had a hard time tracking one down in Canada.
 

skriefal

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Burn-in used to be a problem with plasma TVs. It has been reduced greatly over the years though, and isn't really a problem anymore with most usage patterns. PC gaming may be one of the few exceptions.
 

poofyhairguy

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Also, the black levels and contrast ratios of the newer VA panels in LED TVs can match or exceed what you can get with a plasma.

They are not even on the same planet of black level in most cases. Only OLEDs outright beat plasma.
 

smitbret

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Plasmas use way too much electricity compared to LED TVs. Plasmas also suffer from burn-in. Forget about hooking your PC up to a plasma.

Also, the black levels and contrast ratios of the newer VA panels in LED TVs can match or exceed what you can get with a plasma. You get way more brightness with an LED TV as well.

From what I am reading, the Hisense TVs use the same panels as Samsung TVs. I'm really happy with mine. You guys can get them through Walmart for next to nothing in the states. I had a hard time tracking one down in Canada.

HiSense is a rebrander in the same vein as Emerson, ProScan, RCA, Insignia, etc. They simply purchase their panels from one of the major manufacturers and stick their badge on it. The same model of TV purchased six months apart may not even have the same internal characteristics if HiSense switched from Samsung to LG or another of the actual panel manufacturers. I can guarantee that Sony is not saving their best panels to sell to HiSense, either.

Some of the best Local Dimming sets can match plasma black levels (Aquos and some of the expensive Sony TVs) but if your $1000 LED ahas black levels that match a plasma then your plasma is badly in need of some calibration.
 

poofyhairguy

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The blacks on my tv look completely black. I don't know how they could look any darker.

There are ways to empirically judge these sorts of things using proper equipment. That equipment says only certain local dimming LEDs compete with plasma.

You are correct though that pure black levels are not everything, and I applaud a good TV value where it can be had. There are many things plasmas are not good for (like power conservation), and they are going out of the market for a reason.
 

SickBeast

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There are ways to empirically judge these sorts of things using proper equipment. That equipment says only certain local dimming LEDs compete with plasma.

You are correct though that pure black levels are not everything, and I applaud a good TV value where it can be had. There are many things plasmas are not good for (like power conservation), and they are going out of the market for a reason.
Fair enough. Even if the blacks aren't quite as good as a plasma, LEDs will display much brighter whites.

There are too many downsides to plasma IMO. I can see why people like them because they do produce a great picture for a low price. I just can't live with their power consumption, heat output, and burn in issues. I'm actually mostly using my 55" TV as a display for my HTPC. I would not consider doing that with a plasma.

My TV only consumes 80 watts. Even my old 46" LCD consumed 270 watts. I can only imagine how much electricity a 55" plasma uses. Even going from 270 watts down to 80 saves me about $60-70 on my annual electricity costs. I'm guessing you could probably double that for a plasma.
 

skriefal

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Recent plasmas are somewhat better than the old models. The 55-inch Panasonic P55ST60, for example, has an average power consumption of 149 watts.
 

BarkingGhostar

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I don't get the PC knock on plasmas. I've done it and had no issues, but then again I wasn't trying to play a computer game on a TV.

BTW, speaking of black levels ...

These products are not designed for the viewer to appreciate absolute black leveling. They are designed for environments WITH ambient lighting. This means the lowest black level is determined by how much light you have on in the room.

Also, keep in mind these are the boob-tube replacements. I don't know of anyone serious thinking "flat panels for my state of the art home theater for my critical viewing needs".

God I miss CRT projectors. Concept: don't make light if you are not suppose to have it in the first place. Digital's motto: How best can i hide light being produced all of the time.
 

destrekor

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Plasmas use way too much electricity compared to LED TVs. Plasmas also suffer from burn-in. Forget about hooking your PC up to a plasma.

Also, the black levels and contrast ratios of the newer VA panels in LED TVs can match or exceed what you can get with a plasma. You get way more brightness with an LED TV as well.

From what I am reading, the Hisense TVs use the same panels as Samsung TVs. I'm really happy with mine. You guys can get them through Walmart for next to nothing in the states. I had a hard time tracking one down in Canada.

Sorry, no.

You'll get more brightness from LED-LCD TVs, but you aren't exceeding the contrast ratios or even approaching the black levels of recent-generation Plasmas.

Also, burn in is significantly reduced, to the point that you have to try, or be ignorant, to suffer permanent damage.

If you leave a computer on the desktop or, really, leave any static image on the screen for too long, yes, you'll get that. But in reality, that same scenario can cause a similar burn-in on some LCDs. Not all, but some.

If you own a plasma, you simply understand you don't leave a static image on for long. If you need to leave something on a static display, you turn the display off. And on my Panasonic plasma, if you have reasons the display must remain powered on, you can go into the menu and turn off the image without turning off the entire unit. (good if audio from a connected device, including my receiver, apparently, stops audio output from, say, my Roku, if the TV itself is off)

Which is to say: you simply pay attention. So if you don't care to educate those who live in your house, don't get a plasma.
I won't upgrade my plasma until OLED panels are affordable. No current display can remotely match what the last generation of Panasonic Plasma Display Panels (PDP) can produce.

They do use more electricity, but unless you leave your TV on 24/7, it isn't going to cause a significant difference. Most large-screen LCD's are not sipping electricity either. Remember that usage is also tied to what is displayed on plasmas, and I think the peak wattage on power ratings is based on the highest possible output, which is presumably an all-white image. Plasmas have a variable power consumption, as there isn't a backlight that is a constant source. I think I have seen numbers around 100-150w for most 50" LCD panels, and something close to 200-250w for a 50" Panasonic Plasma. Those numbers may seem largely different, but you're looking at perhaps $10-20 more per year. If cutting every single watt is absolutely the driving factor in all of your decisions, you have the information you need. Personally, I'd pay that difference to have a superior image.

To be fair: if you have to have a TV in a room that is always bathed in sunlight, and you can't control the sunlight, a PDP is probably the worst choice. Though the Samsung PDPs were said to be brighter, so that is an option as well.

Not that it much matters, as any PDP is going to be hard to come by these days, except used. You might get lucky, though.
The march toward better images will have to wait until OLED matures and the price is driven down.

My HTPC is connected to my Plasma. I have no issues. But my HTPC is also using WMC (with an HD HomeRun Prime) and XBMC. I also use a keyboard and mouse for browsing from time to time, and have messed around with Steam Big Picture Mode.
Granted, it's all put away right for now reasons I don't care to get into for this thread, but I plan to get more into Steam on it and once I upgrade my desktop to one of the GTX 9xx series Nvidia cards, I'll get back into trying out the in-home streaming. I beta-tested the software-only version; I wasn't much impressed, but it was software only using CPU, instead of using hardware encode using the desktop's GPU. I also played PS3 games.
 
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SickBeast

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Sorry, no.

You'll get more brightness from LED-LCD TVs, but you aren't exceeding the contrast ratios or even approaching the black levels of recent-generation Plasmas.

Also, burn in is significantly reduced, to the point that you have to try, or be ignorant, to suffer permanent damage.

If you leave a computer on the desktop or, really, leave any static image on the screen for too long, yes, you'll get that. But in reality, that same scenario can cause a similar burn-in on some LCDs. Not all, but some.

If you own a plasma, you simply understand you don't leave a static image on for long. If you need to leave something on a static display, you turn the display off. And on my Panasonic plasma, if you have reasons the display must remain powered on, you can go into the menu and turn off the image without turning off the entire unit. (good if audio from a connected device, including my receiver, apparently, stops audio output from, say, my Roku, if the TV itself is off)

Which is to say: you simply pay attention. So if you don't care to educate those who live in your house, don't get a plasma.
I won't upgrade my plasma until OLED panels are affordable. No current display can remotely match what the last generation of Panasonic Plasma Display Panels (PDP) can produce.

They do use more electricity, but unless you leave your TV on 24/7, it isn't going to cause a significant difference. Most large-screen LCD's are not sipping electricity either. Remember that usage is also tied to what is displayed on plasmas, and I think the peak wattage on power ratings is based on the highest possible output, which is presumably an all-white image. Plasmas have a variable power consumption, as there isn't a backlight that is a constant source. I think I have seen numbers around 100-150w for most 50" LCD panels, and something close to 200-250w for a 50" Panasonic Plasma. Those numbers may seem largely different, but you're looking at perhaps $10-20 more per year. If cutting every single watt is absolutely the driving factor in all of your decisions, you have the information you need. Personally, I'd pay that difference to have a superior image.

To be fair: if you have to have a TV in a room that is always bathed in sunlight, and you can't control the sunlight, a PDP is probably the worst choice. Though the Samsung PDPs were said to be brighter, so that is an option as well.

Not that it much matters, as any PDP is going to be hard to come by these days, except used. You might get lucky, though.
The march toward better images will have to wait until OLED matures and the price is driven down.

My HTPC is connected to my Plasma. I have no issues. But my HTPC is also using WMC (with an HD HomeRun Prime) and XBMC. I also use a keyboard and mouse for browsing from time to time, and have messed around with Steam Big Picture Mode.
Granted, it's all put away right for now reasons I don't care to get into for this thread, but I plan to get more into Steam on it and once I upgrade my desktop to one of the GTX 9xx series Nvidia cards, I'll get back into trying out the in-home streaming. I beta-tested the software-only version; I wasn't much impressed, but it was software only using CPU, instead of using hardware encode using the desktop's GPU. I also played PS3 games.
For me a plasma just won't work. My living room has a large south facing window. About half of the time when my TV is on, I'm browsing the web on one half while my kids watch Netflix on the other half. With a plasma I would worry that the window borders and windows taskbar would burn in while doing this. Even if it were just for a few hours I would worry.

You can say that you can educate people and if you cause burn in you're careless but accidents do happen. The first night I had this TV I accidentally left it on all night with the Windows desktop showing and no screen saver. Thankfully it was OK in the morning. I don't htink a plasma would have survived. :(
 

smitbret

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Fair enough. Even if the blacks aren't quite as good as a plasma, LEDs will display much brighter whites.

There are too many downsides to plasma IMO. I can see why people like them because they do produce a great picture for a low price. I just can't live with their power consumption, heat output, and burn in issues. I'm actually mostly using my 55" TV as a display for my HTPC. I would not consider doing that with a plasma.

My TV only consumes 80 watts. Even my old 46" LCD consumed 270 watts. I can only imagine how much electricity a 55" plasma uses. Even going from 270 watts down to 80 saves me about $60-70 on my annual electricity costs. I'm guessing you could probably double that for a plasma.

My 50" Samsung Plasma from 2011 = 485 Watts (according to the label).
Fabulous picture and it helps cut down on the heating bills in the winter.
 

jacktesterson

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Plasmas use way too much electricity compared to LED TVs. Plasmas also suffer from burn-in. Forget about hooking your PC up to a plasma.

Also, the black levels and contrast ratios of the newer VA panels in LED TVs can match or exceed what you can get with a plasma. You get way more brightness with an LED TV as well.

From what I am reading, the Hisense TVs use the same panels as Samsung TVs. I'm really happy with mine. You guys can get them through Walmart for next to nothing in the states. I had a hard time tracking one down in Canada.

I had a PC hooked up to a Plasma for 5 years and used it every single day for hours at a time browsing, watching movies, etc and never once had any burn in. I am talking hours of browsing at a time. I use my HTPC way more than my desktop. It was a 50" LG Plasma with 1360x768 Res.

You just have to take the precautionary measures. (Screensaver all black screen after 1 min, background black with hidden Taskbar, etc).

Plasma's have Orbiters in them that are constantly juggling pixels around in milliseconds, we can't see it happening. - Burn in is not a problem like it was in mid 2000s.

I just replaced my 50" Plasma on my HTPC with a 55" LED TV 4-5 months ago and I still miss the Plasma all the time. The only real advantadge my brand new LED TV has over my previous 5 yr old Plasma is brightness levels for daytime watching. (And the bump up to 1080p).



Also - you are dead wrong on black levels. It's not even close.
 
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SickBeast

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I had a PC hooked up to a Plasma for 5 years and used it every single day for hours at a time browsing, watching movies, etc and never once had any burn in. I am talking hours of browsing at a time. I use my HTPC way more than my desktop. It was a 50" LG Plasma with 1360x768 Res.

You just have to take the precautionary measures. (Screensaver all black screen after 1 min, background black with hidden Taskbar, etc).

Plasma's have Orbiters in them that are constantly juggling pixels around in milliseconds, we can't see it happening. - Burn in is not a problem like it was in mid 2000s.

I just replaced my 50" Plasma on my HTPC with a 55" LED TV 4-5 months ago and I still miss the Plasma all the time. The only real advantadge my brand new LED TV has over my previous 5 yr old Plasma is brightness levels for daytime watching. (And the bump up to 1080p).



Also - you are dead wrong on black levels. It's not even close.
Ok, so plasmas have slightly deeper blacks compared to a good VA panel LED TV. That's just one aspect of the picture quality. The blacks on my LED TV look black to me. I don't see the need for anything darker. When I look at blacks on my TV they look just as black as my black entertainment unit.

The brighter whites make up for any defecit in black levels IMO. LED TVs are better in pretty much every other way.

I really find it hard to understand all the plasma TV enthusiasts. I have seen people lining up to pay $3500 for a 65" Panasonic plasma TV that was supposedly the "best". I would say that my $500 LED TV probably comes within 10% of it picture quality wise.

If you want something better, just get OLED, but that suffers from even worse burn in than plasma.

I really think that by far LED is the best technology for TVs. OLED is interesting but I refuse to buy something so fragile. There are just too many static images that remain on TVs even during normal usage. The black bars during movies, for example.
 

destrekor

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Ok, so plasmas have slightly deeper blacks compared to a good VA panel LED TV. That's just one aspect of the picture quality. The blacks on my LED TV look black to me. I don't see the need for anything darker. When I look at blacks on my TV they look just as black as my black entertainment unit.

The brighter whites make up for any defecit in black levels IMO. LED TVs are better in pretty much every other way.

I really find it hard to understand all the plasma TV enthusiasts. I have seen people lining up to pay $3500 for a 65" Panasonic plasma TV that was supposedly the "best". I would say that my $500 LED TV probably comes within 10% of it picture quality wise.

If you want something better, just get OLED, but that suffers from even worse burn in than plasma.

I really think that by far LED is the best technology for TVs. OLED is interesting but I refuse to buy something so fragile. There are just too many static images that remain on TVs even during normal usage. The black bars during movies, for example.

Black bars don't really get burned in, as those pixels aren't on in OLED technology, and don't cause a real issue for PDP. An LCD pixel is essentially always on.

The biggest thing about black levels is not just the comparison between how black the darkest part looks versus the brightest white (contrast), but how well you can distinguish the details in the darkest scenes. Most scenes you see as pitch black on your LED will, I guarantee, have detail that is visible in OLED and PDP displays.

I don't wish to ruin your enjoyment of your display, not in the slightest, I am simply trying to help anyone reading all of this by providing objective facts and not "well I'm happy and it's close enough for me."

A $500 LCD of any sort, be it LED or CFL backlit, is not going to come anywhere near 90% of the objective quality of a recent-generation PDP. Subjective, with your interests in mind, possibly, but not on an objective scale. [I say recent-generation, as my $1000 50" Panasonic from late-2013 rivals the performance of $2000+ 2012 sets, and improves upon the images of the top-end sets from years prior - I think I got that right... it was objectively measured, but I can't remember which year it surpassed.]

And, the brightest whites obtainable are rarely ideal. Now, yes, it absolutely helps to have a brighter image when displayed in a sun-bathed room; if you can even modestly control the ambient lighting, you won't need anywhere near 50% of the brightness setting on the LCD set. Heck, I don't use 100% of what my PDP can pump out in terms of brightness.

You might be looking at the fallacy of viewing sets in a TV store. PDP displays stood no chance when compared to the eye-searing brightness and candy-land saturation levels of LCD sets surrounding them. You look at the plasma, and the whites look dull and gray.

If you kept the default viewing settings, you are robbing yourself of detail and color accuracy. If you had that set calibrated, the first thing you might say is, it looks too dark, and the whites aren't white.

Once your eyes adjust to the viewing environment and get adjusted to that particular set, you will see white as it was intended.

It's the same issue when calibrating a computer monitor for accurate viewing for photo and video editing (or rendering, or what have you) - it looks wrong at first, white might look reddish, or bluish, compared to how the display was configured previously.

Plasma matured wonderfully, and provided exactly what was required of it - but ignorant shoppers see it next to a bright LCD, and, well, that's the reason no manufacturer is making them anymore. They had a negative reputation at the beginning, and shedding that was bothersome enough. The fact they couldn't match the unnecessary max-brightness levels of LCDs, that sealed the coffin.
 

poofyhairguy

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Ok, so plasmas have slightly deeper blacks compared to a good VA panel LED TV. That's just one aspect of the picture quality.

Agreed, and I will say it's not my favorite part of Plasma picture quality. The motion resolution is.

Doesn't really matter. Plasma was better for film enthusiasts but it's now almost completely gone. LEDs are great for gamers, people in open concept houses, and those with children. Each have their advantages, but in the end LCD won.

Us plasma folks are now the new CPT people, complaining how this tech so many see as an advancement is actually a step back. I am happy I helped sell a few Samsung plasmas in the last couple years, and I hoarded two Panasonics for myself, but its time to move on and friends/family are going to want recommendations that aren't "look on Craigslist."

Thank you for the info OP.
 
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SickBeast

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<--- Reads this on his 60" VT50 Plasma hooked to his PC.
Actually I was just reading that you can apparently leave a static image on a plasma and it will not permanently burn in. It does require you to run some type of "wipe" algorithm on it for 24 hours straight though.

Perhaps the burn in isn't as bad as I thought. A friend of mine has a plasma and it burnt in though. It's really quite an annoying artifact once it there, it completely ruins the TV.
 

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Agreed, and I will say it's not my favorite part of Plasma picture quality. The motion resolution is.

Doesn't really matter. Plasma was better for film enthusiasts but it's now almost completely gone. LEDs are great for gamers, people in open concept houses, and those with children. Each have their advantages, but in the end LCD won.

Us plasma folks are now the new CPT people, complaining how this tech so many see as an advancement is actually a step back. I am happy I helped sell a few Samsung plasmas in the last couple years, and I hoarded two Panasonics for myself, but its time to move on and friends/family are going to want recommendations that aren't "look on Craigslist."

Thank you for the info OP.

I thought this sounded weird so I had to check, and yep, I can still find Plasmas for sale everywhere. Am I missing something? For example: http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/cate...spx?path=9ce6d22acc9fa887dd183a861f54e811en01
 

poofyhairguy

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I thought this sounded weird so I had to check, and yep, I can still find Plasmas for sale everywhere. Am I missing something? [/url]

Yes. You are missing the fact that for the most part that is the last stock. End of its kind. Endangered species.

Panasonics out completely, Samsung is no longer manufacturing plasma, and LG is done at the end of the month. Plasma as a viable option is dead.

At a personal level you may get lucky and snag a Samsung before they are gone. In fact I suggest everyone does that, I have three newish plasmas myself.

But as a general thing it's no longer a category to consider. Time to move on to who is providing LED value, like Vizio.