Hiroshima

Dangerer

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Originally posted by: Sea Moose
you would have hated to be standing on the bridge under pic 4

That's probably the best possible spot to be in that entire circle. You'd be literally instantly vaporized.
 

Sea Moose

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Originally posted by: Dangerer
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
you would have hated to be standing on the bridge under pic 4

That's probably the best possible spot to be in that entire circle. You'd be literally instantly vaporized.

i suppose if you get a kick out of being instantly vaporised.....
 
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Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: Dangerer
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
you would have hated to be standing on the bridge under pic 4

That's probably the best possible spot to be in that entire circle. You'd be literally instantly vaporized.

i suppose if you get a kick out of being instantly vaporised.....

Who doesn't?
 

Sea Moose

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: Dangerer
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
you would have hated to be standing on the bridge under pic 4

That's probably the best possible spot to be in that entire circle. You'd be literally instantly vaporized.

i suppose if you get a kick out of being instantly vaporised.....

Who doesn't?

better being vaporised than having ginger nuts i suppose :p :p (you know i luv ya ga)
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: Dangerer
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
you would have hated to be standing on the bridge under pic 4

That's probably the best possible spot to be in that entire circle. You'd be literally instantly vaporized.

i suppose if you get a kick out of being instantly vaporised.....

better to be vaporized than to suffer.
 

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I'd much rather be vaporized than than suffer the after effects from being near the blast.
 

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From reading the comments there, it is evident just how different the history classes are in various countries. Some there are obviously just taking an opportunity to exercise their anti-America agenda, but others seem to genuinely believe what we did was wrong or unnecessary.

post 119 is what I was taught
Dropping the bomb stopped the war. Many years of fighting and millions of death through traditional tit for tat did not force the Japanese military elite to decide to end the war. Nor did the firebombing of many Japanese cities during which many thousands were killed. That the Japanese did not surrender after the first bomb was dropped is significant. It took a second bomb to convince the Emperor to overrule his generals and to announce that fighting meant annihilation and was futile. We Americans bear no guilt for using such a weapon. If we had not done so, millions of both Japanese and Americans would have died. If Truman had not ordered the bombs to be dropped, the same people complaining above would be asking why it was not dropped to prevent the millions of deaths...

 

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If anyone has a chance to visit Hiroshima for the museum, go. The second remodeling job they did was first class(I visited in 1987 and again in 2005 with my family). The cost to enter was inexpensive and you can rent audio players that will assist you on your self guided tour(available in many languages). The second building was harder to see at the end of the tour due to the more graphic images and display's.

 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
From reading the comments there, it is evident just how different the history classes are in various countries. Some there are obviously just taking an opportunity to exercise their anti-America agenda, but others seem to genuinely believe what we did was wrong or unnecessary.

post 119 is what I was taught
Dropping the bomb stopped the war. Many years of fighting and millions of death through traditional tit for tat did not force the Japanese military elite to decide to end the war. Nor did the firebombing of many Japanese cities during which many thousands were killed. That the Japanese did not surrender after the first bomb was dropped is significant. It took a second bomb to convince the Emperor to overrule his generals and to announce that fighting meant annihilation and was futile. We Americans bear no guilt for using such a weapon. If we had not done so, millions of both Japanese and Americans would have died. If Truman had not ordered the bombs to be dropped, the same people complaining above would be asking why it was not dropped to prevent the millions of deaths...

The exactly the purpose too. It was an attempt to force the hand of Japan into surrendering, because the island warfare campaigns, and the likely-to-be-very-soon-landing-on-main-island, were just causing large numbers of wasted deaths. Both countries were sending thousands and thousands to each island, only to fight over advancement opportunities of the next island. Truman absolutely hated the bombs but had hoped it meant it would save more lives than they would ultimately take.
 

lokiju

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I'm not sure which is more disturbing, those photos or the comments.

How sad that history is so easily twisted and forgotten.

 

K1052

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
All that destruction from only 1.5lbs of uranium achiving fission out of 141lbs.

The Mk I was very inefficient and IIRC they had almost a x3 margin for critical mass to make absolutely sure it would work.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
From reading the comments there, it is evident just how different the history classes are in various countries. Some there are obviously just taking an opportunity to exercise their anti-America agenda, but others seem to genuinely believe what we did was wrong or unnecessary.

post 119 is what I was taught
Dropping the bomb stopped the war. Many years of fighting and millions of death through traditional tit for tat did not force the Japanese military elite to decide to end the war. Nor did the firebombing of many Japanese cities during which many thousands were killed. That the Japanese did not surrender after the first bomb was dropped is significant. It took a second bomb to convince the Emperor to overrule his generals and to announce that fighting meant annihilation and was futile. We Americans bear no guilt for using such a weapon. If we had not done so, millions of both Japanese and Americans would have died. If Truman had not ordered the bombs to be dropped, the same people complaining above would be asking why it was not dropped to prevent the millions of deaths...

The exactly the purpose too. It was an attempt to force the hand of Japan into surrendering, because the island warfare campaigns, and the likely-to-be-very-soon-landing-on-main-island, were just causing large numbers of wasted deaths. Both countries were sending thousands and thousands to each island, only to fight over advancement opportunities of the next island. Truman absolutely hated the bombs but had hoped it meant it would save more lives than they would ultimately take.

A little known fact also was that the Japanese food situation was beyond dire. Had the war been allowed to grind on for another 6 months millions more Japanese would have certainly died of famine.
 
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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
From reading the comments there, it is evident just how different the history classes are in various countries. Some there are obviously just taking an opportunity to exercise their anti-America agenda, but others seem to genuinely believe what we did was wrong or unnecessary.

post 119 is what I was taught
Dropping the bomb stopped the war. Many years of fighting and millions of death through traditional tit for tat did not force the Japanese military elite to decide to end the war. Nor did the firebombing of many Japanese cities during which many thousands were killed. That the Japanese did not surrender after the first bomb was dropped is significant. It took a second bomb to convince the Emperor to overrule his generals and to announce that fighting meant annihilation and was futile. We Americans bear no guilt for using such a weapon. If we had not done so, millions of both Japanese and Americans would have died. If Truman had not ordered the bombs to be dropped, the same people complaining above would be asking why it was not dropped to prevent the millions of deaths...

The exactly the purpose too. It was an attempt to force the hand of Japan into surrendering, because the island warfare campaigns, and the likely-to-be-very-soon-landing-on-main-island, were just causing large numbers of wasted deaths. Both countries were sending thousands and thousands to each island, only to fight over advancement opportunities of the next island. Truman absolutely hated the bombs but had hoped it meant it would save more lives than they would ultimately take.

A little known fact also was that the Japanese food situation was beyond dire. Had the war been allowed to grind on for another 6 months millions more Japanese would have certainly died of famine.

Either way you dice it, slice it or try to dress it up, essentially it (the bombing) is used as a tool abroad to show how "evil and blood thirsty Americans are". The facts don't matter to people with an agenda to push.

Those that think using it was unjust are those that do not understand reality and the very real concept that a number of completely innocent people may have to die to save the lives of a lot more people.

But I'm sure our TOTUS will apologize for us.
 

Demon-Xanth

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I'd like to see some before, then and now pictures. Cities have an interesting way of healing wounds yet showing scars.
 

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Originally posted by: lokiju
I'm not sure which is more disturbing, those photos or the comments.

How sad that history is so easily twisted and forgotten.

Amazing how vocal ignorant people can be.
 

abaez

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I've been to the city twice the past two years, and the only thing left where you can see damage is the dome really.
 

Aikouka

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Heh, the comments are mostly anti-American. Although that's not too surprising since anything showing American military prowess (regardless of how old) tends to result in such comments.