Hired this week as a "Sales Specialist"

ballmode

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This Monday I started my first post job graduating. I finished with a bachelor's degree in marketing as well as management.

I got an offer to work at a Japanese facility that produced, shipped, and sold nuts and bolts for Toyota cars/trucks made in America. My title was given as a Sales specialist where I would learn the company and start selling for them.

First day on the job, read books, look at blueprints of all nuts, and get a tour.

2nd and 3rd days, they tell me to go work on the factory floor as part of my training, they even planned out where on the line I would go from spot to spot for the next 5 weeks.

Back breaking work and the whole time I thought to myself, this is what I went to college for 4 years for? I thought my reason for going to college was that I didn't have to work on a factory floor for the rest of my life! This didn't make sense, especially how I could just observe and ask questions instead of doing the PHYSICAL labor. Lifting 30-40 lbs of nuts on plastic totes oh about 2000-2500 times a day wasn't fun. Whine whine, yeah yeah.


****Cliffs:
Start job as a sales specialist
Second day they have me working factory floor doing demanding physical labor
Third day, repeat of second day and I come to find out I have another 5 weeks left of doing this before I start actual sales training.
Tell employer my complaints, lets me go because I was not willing to do the training for sales.



I find all of this crazy, because they never told me this was going to be my training in the interview. I started asking around other employees in the office how it was when they first started and NONE of them ever had to go on the factory line. I don't know how the Japanese people "train" their employees, but after this experience I'm through with this. I guess this is good experience for me and what to look out for on my next job. Who knows....



BTW: Pay was ONLY 14.75 an hour, good money for factory work, but for sales ehhh

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I also was on temp to hire basis through a temp employment agency located within the town. When I voiced concerns about this position to not only HR within the Japanese company, but also to the temp agency. The temp agency apologized to me and they all said the same thing I was saying and that was to quit. The factory workers on the line were making $10 an hour, and with the lack of supervision or guidance of what I should take as an experience for the job, I really had no clue what I was actually going to be doing post those 5 weeks. Here is the actual job description for this position:

Receive and enter customer orders. Maintain customer records by updating account information. Resolve product or service problems by clarifying the customer's complaint; determine the ause of the problem; select and explain the best solution to solve the problem; expedite correction or adjustment; follow-up to ensure resolution. Manage customer backlog. Manage customer inventory levels. Identify opportunities for improvement with respect to: the internal departmental operations, overall business operations, and customer operations.

REQUIREMENTS:
2 or 4 year college degree in business management. 2 to 5 years of related experience. Corrugated packaging knowledge. Computer skills, including Microsoft Word, Excel and Outlook. Strong communication skills. Organizational and phone skills. CAD knowledge.
 

jpeyton

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How was the pay?

For $200k/year, I'll sell dildos to nuns.
 

Phokus

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Why is a Japanese company even making nuts and bolts? You'd think a Chinese company could do it a billion times cheaper.

P.S. colts suck :D :p

Oh and i hope you get a better job, good luck!
 

pyonir

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They should have told you about this during the interview, and while i think it would be beneficial as a salesman to see how the product you are selling is manufactured...5 weeks is a bit much.
 

ballmode

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I was getting paid at the sales rate, and the funny thing is, NOBODY trained me on how to do the factory work either.

I never met with the supervisors for training in their offices, instead I was directed by them to go see the shift supervisor instead. Crazy, I let HR, supervisors, and the boss know how I wasn't too sure about this, but they all just agreed with the boss (I'm guessing because he made the schedule for me)
 

FoBoT

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the only part that sounds wierd is the other people didn't have to do it

some places like everyone to know all the jobs, that is ok by me

but it doesn't make sense that the other sales people didn't do it when they were trained
 

Krazy4Real

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It's good that you left. You probably would have just gotten even more unhappy. Now you can devote yourself to finding something better.
 

Captante

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I would have given it more then 3 days, but it does seem a little strange that they were asking you to do stuff nobody else working there did.
 

jjones

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5 weeks on the factory floor? Sounds retarded. How about 1 week on the floor and studying the nomenclature? I would have left too.
 

bctbct

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Maybe when they sized you up they thought you liked nuts.

Seriously you come off as that job being beneath you and over the years I have met several people that were hands on and they become better employees and have a real understanding of their job from both views.

You should have stuck with it and worked toward your end goal.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: bctbct
Maybe when they sized you up they thought you liked nuts.

Seriously you come off as that job being beneath you and over the years I have met several people that were hands on and they become better employees and have a real understanding of their job from both views.

You should have stuck with it and worked toward your end goal.

I see your point but a lot of people get hard work experience before their first post-college job and I don't think it is the employers job to instill that work ethic into you. I'm in college and I work in a cheese factory, so if this happened to me I'd quit also. No problem with a week of it to see how things run, but 5 weeks is overkill and I already know how the grunt thinks, feels and is treated--I've been one for years.
 

ballmode

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Originally posted by: bctbct
Maybe when they sized you up they thought you liked nuts.

Seriously you come off as that job being beneath you and over the years I have met several people that were hands on and they become better employees and have a real understanding of their job from both views.

You should have stuck with it and worked toward your end goal.

Seeing as I was still on "restricted" status. That mean no insurance, no benefits, no 401k, no nothing until 60 days had passed.

If I took one day off I was wrote up, two days off I was canned. This even included doctors visits. It was a lost hope for me.


For all those people who voted yes, I'd like to see if you were a college grad or not.
 

ballmode

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Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: bctbct
Maybe when they sized you up they thought you liked nuts.

Seriously you come off as that job being beneath you and over the years I have met several people that were hands on and they become better employees and have a real understanding of their job from both views.

You should have stuck with it and worked toward your end goal.

I see your point but a lot of people get hard work experience before their first post-college job and I don't think it is the employers job to instill that work ethic into you. I'm in college and I work in a cheese factory, so if this happened to me I'd quit also. No problem with a week of it to see how things run, but 5 weeks is overkill and I already know how the grunt thinks, feels and is treated--I've been one for years.

I have worked factory lines between college in the summers. It was even more motivation to finish school. Now that I got out I didn't want to go back to doing it, period.
 

randay

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should have stayed until you lined up another job. sure you were making 14.75/hr, but how much are you making now?
 

HydroSqueegee

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Originally posted by: ballmode
Originally posted by: bctbct
Maybe when they sized you up they thought you liked nuts.

Seriously you come off as that job being beneath you and over the years I have met several people that were hands on and they become better employees and have a real understanding of their job from both views.

You should have stuck with it and worked toward your end goal.

Seeing as I was still on "restricted" status. That mean no insurance, no benefits, no 401k, no nothing until 60 days had passed.

If I took one day off I was wrote up, two days off I was canned. This even included doctors visits. It was a lost hope for me.


For all those people who voted yes, I'd like to see if you were a college grad or not.

I voted yes. I am a college grad, and even did line work for panasonic making TV's while in college. 5 weeks of training on the line would give you a better understanding of the product your trying to sell. By the time i left that job i could put a tv together from beginning to end and knew a hell of a lot about what went into them.
 

SacrosanctFiend

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The better you know the product, the better salesman you are able to be. I really don't see the problem. You were being paid to learn your product.
 

FeuerFrei

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Probably a brand-new policy.
I cannot confirm that it is unreasonable and worth quitting over.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
The better you know the product, the better salesman you are able to be. I really don't see the problem. You were being paid to learn your product.

Yeah but... nuts and bolts? that doesn't exactly make your head spin
 

pyonir

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
The better you know the product, the better salesman you are able to be. I really don't see the problem. You were being paid to learn your product.

Yeah but... nuts and bolts? that doesn't exactly make your head spin

And for 5 weeks? That's bit much when you are hired as a sales associate.
 

HydroSqueegee

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I was never told i'd be boxing up 80lb tubes for my 12 hour shift when the line backed up or have my hands in a vat of acetone all night, but i sucked it up and did my job. 5 weeks is nothing. Sure, no one else did it, but maybe its new policy that management thought up to better the sales reps understanding of what they were selling. If i was selling something, i'd want to know as much about the product as i could so im not flying blind.
Is 5 weeks of 'hard' labor not worth it to meet your end goals?
 

RKS

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Originally posted by: ballmode
Originally posted by: bctbct
Maybe when they sized you up they thought you liked nuts.

Seriously you come off as that job being beneath you and over the years I have met several people that were hands on and they become better employees and have a real understanding of their job from both views.

You should have stuck with it and worked toward your end goal.

Seeing as I was still on "restricted" status. That mean no insurance, no benefits, no 401k, no nothing until 60 days had passed.

If I took one day off I was wrote up, two days off I was canned. This even included doctors visits. It was a lost hope for me.


For all those people who voted yes, I'd like to see if you were a college grad or not.

I voted yes and have a professional degree.