Hillary should drop out

[nageov3t]

or at least adopt a Huckabee strategy with a couple months of positive campaigning till Obama gets enough delegates that FL wouldn't matter.

just thought I'd throw that into the official record as one of the few proud Hillary supporters on these forums, though it saddens me to see the end of what is probably the only time a gay male will make a serious attempt at the white house in my lifetime.

solidarity, bitches.

 

[ProfJohn]

Hey stop stealing my ideas!!! Thief!

 

[miketheidiot]

you never know obama might be in the closet or something.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Hey stop stealing my ideas!!! Thief!

it's not plagiarism if you hold a press conference and say it was ok

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: loki8481
or at least adopt a Huckabee strategy with a couple months of positive campaigning till Obama gets enough delegates that FL wouldn't matter.

just thought I'd throw that into the official record as one of the few proud Hillary supporters on these forums, though it saddens me to see the end of what is probably the only time a gay male will make a serious attempt at the white house in my lifetime.

solidarity, bitches.

McCain?

 

[RY62]

As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

You and me both. McCain checked by a Democrat Congress > Obama and his hope dope new age nonsense.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

 

[ProfJohn]

Without the Clinton years the Democrats would have nothing to offer the nation.

Vote Democrats so we can return to the Carter era!!!! <--- don't think that will work.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

the clinton machine is as good as the rove style of politics they decided to turn to. their thirst for power after having it has corrupted them beyond redemption. tehse arent your parents clintons.

good riddance to these pandering clintons.

we really need a multiparty system, where the ron pauls could have some clout with representatives in the senate and congress, where the greens had some, when people would really have to build coalitions and compromise.

but for now, we got dems and repubs - at least the better dem won.

 

[Dari]

At least Carter tried and fixed the economy, only to have Reagan come along and inject it with massive debt.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton base is half of the Dem party. Good luck getting anywhere without us.

 

[nageov3t]

it's going to be interesting to see if that 45% number really holds... I somehow doubt it.

I'd expect Obama to have a huge bump any week now, followed by a leveling out over the summer.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

the clinton machine is as good as the rove style of politics they decided to turn to. their thirst for power after having it has corrupted them beyond redemption. tehse arent your parents clintons.

good riddance to these pandering clintons.

we really need a multiparty system, where the ron pauls could have some clout with representatives in the senate and congress, where the greens had some, when people would really have to build coalitions and compromise.

but for now, we got dems and repubs - at least the better dem won.

You seem to be more interested in the political process than the results.
Politics isn't pretty if you want to be effective. I don't think Obama has the stomach, he is more interested in his image.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton base is half of the Dem party. Good luck getting anywhere without us.

if clinton supporters want to defect to McSame because of this, seriously, good riddance. you people are worthless.

i am sure most clinton supporters will vote obama in the fall. its a tough pill to swallow NOW that your democratic version of karl rove's playbook lost, and some of you will write in dubya - i mean vote for mccain in the fall, and to those people, goodbye and dont let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[fskimospy]

Again, I find it very strange that the people who support Clinton are saying that they want to go vote for someone who opposes nearly every major policy position she has on contentious issues. What's also interesting is that your preferred candidate will shortly be endorsing Obama after he wins the nomination, and so you will ignore both the policy positions and the recommendations of the person you wanted to win the presidency.

I mean everyone's free to vote how they want, it just seems like a bizarre way to evaluate candidates.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

the clinton machine is as good as the rove style of politics they decided to turn to. their thirst for power after having it has corrupted them beyond redemption. tehse arent your parents clintons.

good riddance to these pandering clintons.

we really need a multiparty system, where the ron pauls could have some clout with representatives in the senate and congress, where the greens had some, when people would really have to build coalitions and compromise.

but for now, we got dems and repubs - at least the better dem won.

You seem to be more interested in the political process than the results.
Politics isn't pretty if you want to be effective. I don't think Obama has the stomach, he is more interested in his image.

the fact that obama has made it this far with minimal negative campaigning and not getting dirty and nasty like clinton/rove and her 'he isnt a muslim as far as I know' type rhetoric, or playing the politics of fear, and is making it this far this strong should tell you something.


since you dont like it, you belong voting for McSame.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

the clinton machine is as good as the rove style of politics they decided to turn to. their thirst for power after having it has corrupted them beyond redemption. tehse arent your parents clintons.

good riddance to these pandering clintons.

we really need a multiparty system, where the ron pauls could have some clout with representatives in the senate and congress, where the greens had some, when people would really have to build coalitions and compromise.

but for now, we got dems and repubs - at least the better dem won.

You seem to be more interested in the political process than the results.
Politics isn't pretty if you want to be effective. I don't think Obama has the stomach, he is more interested in his image.

the fact that obama has made it this far with minimal negative campaigning and not getting dirty and nasty like clinton/rove and her 'he isnt a muslim as far as I know' type rhetoric, or playing the politics of fear, and is making it this far this strong should tell you something.
since you dont like it, you belong voting for McSame.

OK, what does his campaign style tell me about his positions on the issues? Absolutely nothing. I can see he is a good advocate, but I don't know what the hell he is advocating aside from himself becoming president.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

the clinton machine is as good as the rove style of politics they decided to turn to. their thirst for power after having it has corrupted them beyond redemption. tehse arent your parents clintons.

good riddance to these pandering clintons.

we really need a multiparty system, where the ron pauls could have some clout with representatives in the senate and congress, where the greens had some, when people would really have to build coalitions and compromise.

but for now, we got dems and repubs - at least the better dem won.

You seem to be more interested in the political process than the results.
Politics isn't pretty if you want to be effective. I don't think Obama has the stomach, he is more interested in his image.

the fact that obama has made it this far with minimal negative campaigning and not getting dirty and nasty like clinton/rove and her 'he isnt a muslim as far as I know' type rhetoric, or playing the politics of fear, and is making it this far this strong should tell you something.
since you dont like it, you belong voting for McSame.

OK, what does his campaign style tell me about his positions on the issues? Absolutely nothing. I can see he is a good advocate, but I don't know what the hell he is advocating aside from himself becoming president.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Again, I find it very strange that the people who support Clinton are saying that they want to go vote for someone who opposes nearly every major policy position she has on contentious issues. What's also interesting is that your preferred candidate will shortly be endorsing Obama after he wins the nomination, and so you will ignore both the policy positions and the recommendations of the person you wanted to win the presidency.

I mean everyone's free to vote how they want, it just seems like a bizarre way to evaluate candidates.

Vote for McCain is not a vote for his stands, it's a vote for gridlock, which has its merits.
I mean we got gridlock here in CA with Arnold getting elected, and it sure as hell has been better for the Democrat party here than Gray Davis being governor.
A vote for Obama is most likely, and we don't know for sure because he doesn't really stand up for any issues, a vote for Carter 2.0.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

the clinton machine is as good as the rove style of politics they decided to turn to. their thirst for power after having it has corrupted them beyond redemption. tehse arent your parents clintons.

good riddance to these pandering clintons.

we really need a multiparty system, where the ron pauls could have some clout with representatives in the senate and congress, where the greens had some, when people would really have to build coalitions and compromise.

but for now, we got dems and repubs - at least the better dem won.

You seem to be more interested in the political process than the results.
Politics isn't pretty if you want to be effective. I don't think Obama has the stomach, he is more interested in his image.

the fact that obama has made it this far with minimal negative campaigning and not getting dirty and nasty like clinton/rove and her 'he isnt a muslim as far as I know' type rhetoric, or playing the politics of fear, and is making it this far this strong should tell you something.
since you dont like it, you belong voting for McSame.

OK, what does his campaign style tell me about his positions on the issues? Absolutely nothing. I can see he is a good advocate, but I don't know what the hell he is advocating aside from himself becoming president.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I've read it, it's all fluff.

This is his economic plan:

Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief

Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

* Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.

How is he going to pay for this? Oh wait, we can't say, because that doesn't fit with the whole hope and change thing. You have to be honest about this, and Obama sticks to fluff when push comes to shove.

* Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

Peanuts, and boo hoo, it will save me 1 hr a year. Great "plan." Again, fluff and soundbytes, but no substance. He hits all the talking points without coming up with a coherent economic policy what so ever.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

the clinton machine is as good as the rove style of politics they decided to turn to. their thirst for power after having it has corrupted them beyond redemption. tehse arent your parents clintons.

good riddance to these pandering clintons.

we really need a multiparty system, where the ron pauls could have some clout with representatives in the senate and congress, where the greens had some, when people would really have to build coalitions and compromise.

but for now, we got dems and repubs - at least the better dem won.

You seem to be more interested in the political process than the results.
Politics isn't pretty if you want to be effective. I don't think Obama has the stomach, he is more interested in his image.

He's weak, but was able to defeat the most powerful and "inevitable" Democratic nominee in a generation?

He's added millions of new voters and built the most successful campaign finance system ever seen? All w/o whoring to special interests?

You seem more motivated by fear of failure than hope and confidence of success. Obama has been and will be his own man. He has been neither Clinton nor Carter, and will continue to carve out his own niche in history. He's done it his way and it worked.

If you are so pissed about about it and want to vote for McCain as a cut off your nose to spite your country, then fine. Go ahead, and you deserve what you get. I think in the end there will be very few of you in the fall. The Obama train keeps rolling despite the bumps in the road.

 

[Vic]

Will Clinton's ex-supporters switch en masse to McCain? Will they become McCain's biggest following?

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: RY62
As another Clinton supporter, I'll admit that she's finished but I hope she fights on. For myself, it was never about being for her, it was about being against Obama and I can continue being against him whether she's in or out.

It's hard to believe that, after voting Democrat for 28 years, tonight I'd rather be a Republican.

the democratic party is most likely better off without you and the entire clinton machine

The Clinton machine is the reason the Democratic party has the edge on the economy.
Take out the Clinton years, and you have Jimmy Carter and LBJ's war on poverty debacle. Obama is following in those footsteps, with predictable results.

the clinton machine is as good as the rove style of politics they decided to turn to. their thirst for power after having it has corrupted them beyond redemption. tehse arent your parents clintons.

good riddance to these pandering clintons.

we really need a multiparty system, where the ron pauls could have some clout with representatives in the senate and congress, where the greens had some, when people would really have to build coalitions and compromise.

but for now, we got dems and repubs - at least the better dem won.

You seem to be more interested in the political process than the results.
Politics isn't pretty if you want to be effective. I don't think Obama has the stomach, he is more interested in his image.

the fact that obama has made it this far with minimal negative campaigning and not getting dirty and nasty like clinton/rove and her 'he isnt a muslim as far as I know' type rhetoric, or playing the politics of fear, and is making it this far this strong should tell you something.
since you dont like it, you belong voting for McSame.

OK, what does his campaign style tell me about his positions on the issues? Absolutely nothing. I can see he is a good advocate, but I don't know what the hell he is advocating aside from himself becoming president.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I've read it, it's all fluff.

This is his economic plan:

Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief

Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

* Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.

How is he going to pay for this? Oh wait, we can't say, because that doesn't fit with the whole hope and change thing. You have to be honest about this, and Obama sticks to fluff when push comes to shove.

* Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

Peanuts, and boo hoo, it will save me 1 hr a year. Great "plan." Again, fluff and soundbytes, but no substance. He hits all the talking points without coming up with a coherent economic policy what so ever.

you are just like your candidate hilary, shady as fuck and dishonest.

you quoted barely a portion of his economics plan and tried to present as THE economic plan he has.

the only thing fluff here is any sense of integrity you may have had.

go vote repub, they need some of the dirty rabid clinton/rove-ites to have a prayer in the fall.