But they are allowed to cross that line.
The Swiftboating has begun and will get a whole lot worse.
Hopefully it backfires on the America Haters this time.
But they are allowed to cross that line.
The Swiftboating has begun and will get a whole lot worse.
Hopefully it backfires on the America Haters this time.
senseamp
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Free pass? Bill got impeached for lying about a BJ.
Even if that was the case, which it isn't, Republicans have screwed up their actual job of governing, ethics aside, a lot more than Clinton could ever try to.
Good, I hope you don't vote, since you don't really like anyone. I will vote for Hillary.
umbrella39
Lifer
- Jun 11, 2004
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The desperate scavenge for umbrage material is strong with this noob. Where can I get a subscription to the FOEL, the fake outrage email list? I just have to see which ones PJ decides NOT to post here because they appear too desperate or too unsubstantiated. Should be a hoot.
You are wrong, and you should be begging... make that deeply grovelling... for my pardon. You open your mouth just enough to change feet without bothering to read my previous post:
Where in that do you read that I condone the unsubstantiated allegation against Hillary Clinton or that I didn't directly address PJ?
How do you not see my points that:
- He has shown NO outrage over ANY of the Bushwhackos' numerous acts of TREASON in violating the Constitutional rights of all Americans, let alone any concern for the thousands of Americans they have MURDERED in their war of LIES. In fact, he and the rest of you Bushwhacko sycophants have done nothing but pimp excuses, dodges and distractions for them since day one of their criminal adminstration.
Unlike his attack on Hillary, the charges against the administration are well documented.
- When he runs out of current talking point dogma, he falls back to attempting to excuse their six year reign or criminalality or distract attention from it by shouting, "OMFG... Clinton, Clinton, Clinton did it!
Please show us where I gave her a pass. You can't because I didn't. Like others, I questioned the credibility of PJ's unsupported and undocumented source, and I asked him why he hasn't shown similar outrage at six years of the Bushwhackos' crimes.
:lips: my (_|_).
Starbuck1975
Lifer
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Free pass in that the Clintons certainly have a lot of skeletons in their closet, yet some on this forum tend to dismiss such allegations because "the economy was good under Clinton in the 90s."
That is a subjective conclusion...take Clinton out of the equation, and factor in governance under Democrats in general...the cities of New Orleans and Detriot are prime examples of Democrat controlled incompetence, corruption and stupidity.
It will probably be a lesser of two evils vote for me...I can't fathom why anyone would want the same two families to dominate American politics for over two decades...didn't we fight a Revolution to free ourselves of such elitist government control?
Fern
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How do you know that the pre 9/11 allegation is more "far more serious"?
There were no details as to what the "request" involved. AFAIK, we still don't know what was requested.
The allegation that it was "illegal" come from a person charged with a serious crime, who said it was a company lawyer that thought it was illegal. We haven't even heard from the lawyer (So far it's heresay There hasn't been any confirmation that there was really a lawyer who thought it was illegal. And since when is some company lawyer the arbiter of wht is illegal?) . We don't know what it was, or why that company lawyer considered it illegal. Could it be more vague?
The incident occured so quickly after GWB was sworn in (less than a month) one has to wonder whether the NSA request was from a Clinton authorized program.
Yet many of the same screaming for GWB's impeachment in that thread are here now pooh-poohing this. Others already saying the whole is a false allegation, a product of some Repub slime machine etc.
Fern
Sinsear
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As if you're any better. Sorry, it was an emotional not well thought out response, but the current President has been trashed here for a long time. I don't see you standing up against that, or maybe that's okay because it fits your views? It's one thing to criticize, another to name call and put down; and vulgarity is a relative term open to interpretation and perception.
First
Lifer
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Not sure what you mean here; we know the NSA wiretapping was far more serious based on the evidence we have today. Whether the program started before 9/11 we don't know for certain; obviously the Quest CEO's claims can't be confirmed true yet since that'll take a lot of time to fully divulge with details and in this court system that may mean years. Though, I do take that allegation seriously because we have zero reason to believe the former Quest CEO has any reason to lie. Plus, I thought it was well known by now that Quest rejected the NSA's requests because it came without a FISA warrant, and that they were vindicated to be in the right legally?
I'm convinced you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground about what a "communist" OR a Communist is, let alone the difference between them, depending on whether it's spelled with a capital or lower case "c." :roll:
You could prove me wrong by looking them up and posting it. In fact, please do. You may learn something about the world... for a change.
UberNeuman
Lifer
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The word "Apologist" gets a thrown around a lot here - for instants, any time Harvey points out the mis-deeds of Fred Thompson during Watergate the refrain tends to be "That was years ago, and it doesn't matter now." And this comment comes from many of those in this thread that are now shaking their little fists, their lips quivering with mock anger - all over something that's hearsay.....
So why the fake out rage now?
So why the fake out rage now?
There were alot of accusations thrown up against the clintons, but you can read where it stems from here
http://www.amazon.com/Blinded-...&qid=1192659177&sr=8-1
Yes, the David Brock who runs Media Matters. Some very well funded conservatives went looking for everything under the sun against clinton, and most of it didn't stick. With Bush, there is no equivalent rabid and well funded machine to dig into his past. On the other hand, despite having more secrecy, there is so much credible evidence against bush on so many different counts.
There never was any equivalence between bush and clinton in terms of wrongdoings. People keep saying "there's something fishy about the clinton's" but really have nothing to back it up with. Remember, Billy also killed vince foster and smuggled drugs in arkansas. These claims are equivalent to "Bush did 9/11 himself!" in terms of substantive support.
http://www.amazon.com/Blinded-...&qid=1192659177&sr=8-1
Yes, the David Brock who runs Media Matters. Some very well funded conservatives went looking for everything under the sun against clinton, and most of it didn't stick. With Bush, there is no equivalent rabid and well funded machine to dig into his past. On the other hand, despite having more secrecy, there is so much credible evidence against bush on so many different counts.
There never was any equivalence between bush and clinton in terms of wrongdoings. People keep saying "there's something fishy about the clinton's" but really have nothing to back it up with. Remember, Billy also killed vince foster and smuggled drugs in arkansas. These claims are equivalent to "Bush did 9/11 himself!" in terms of substantive support.
Starbuck1975
Lifer
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Because we wouldn't have much to discuss in this forum if someone didnt get outraged by something, fake or otherwise.
Let's face it...Bush supporters will apologize for his alleged misdeeds, yet jump at every opportunity to criticize the Democrats for theirs.
The anti-Bush crowd and Democrats will start a thread every time Bush crosses his eyes, yet dismiss similar allegations when directed at the members of their own party.
If common sense, equity and consistency dominated the mindset of posters here, this would be a boring place to visit.
A campaign spokesman was quoted, and there's no real point there. Somebody said Hillary never denied the claim even though she DID.
Besides, do you even know David Brock's history? You should read the republican noise machine and the conscience of an ex-conservative.
Lemon law
Lifer
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Jonney Jonney Jonney---------wake up and smell the coffee. You ask the following question.
"Wonder how much outrage this will produce on the left?"
Well maybe it might produce some outrage on the left, but compared to the crap GWB&co.
is pulling right now, for the left, citing the mild itch of Hillary compared to pain greater than organ failure in GWB leaves Non Prof John with a pedophile's chance in hell at a mothers against pedophile rally.
Non Prof John, this is not some matter of trading indigestion for an upset stomach question.
GWB&co. is totally toxic. Other things may be comparative.
umbrella39
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He has a point. Dismissing an allegation from one side 15 or 20 years ago while wild-goose chasing the "other side" for the same thing smacks of hypocrisy and partisan hackery.
UberNeuman
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