Hillary lies.

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: sandorski
How can someone "present legislation" at a Hearing?

404 teh lies not found


Nobody is making an argument or being heard? Legislation isn't the only thing she listed.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: sandorski
How can someone "present legislation" at a Hearing?

404 teh lies not found


Nobody is making an argument or being heard? Legislation isn't the only thing she listed.

Pretty weak.
 

nageov3t

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RTFA?

the comment was with regard to the house of representatives.

edit: what do the Alito Hearings have to do with any of this? :confused:
 

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In what way is she an ass? I completely agree with her. Those nutjobs running the show squelch any dissent. They ramrod everything through. How is that lying? She's simply telling it like it is. At least Delay got thrown out on deass. :thumbsup: Oh....wait for it.... It's HAMMMMMMERRRRTIME!
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
In what way is she an ass? I completely agree with her. Those nutjobs running the show squelch any dissent. They ramrod everything through. How is that lying? She's simply telling it like it is. At least Delay got thrown out on deass. :thumbsup: Oh....wait for it.... It's HAMMMMMMERRRRTIME!

slurp slurp slurp.

Hows the Koolaid?

:roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: arsbanned
In what way is she an ass? I completely agree with her. Those nutjobs running the show squelch any dissent. They ramrod everything through. How is that lying? She's simply telling it like it is. At least Delay got thrown out on deass. :thumbsup: Oh....wait for it.... It's HAMMMMMMERRRRTIME!

slurp slurp slurp.

Hows the Koolaid?

:roll:


She's a politician. Of course she lies. In this case it's more hyperbole, and anyone with a brain can see what she means. Many times I hear "Those soldiers are fighting in Iraq for our freedom". Also hyperbole, because Saddam was never a threat to our liberty. On the other hand, there could be an argument in a broader sense. Not that I would automatically agree, however a point could be made.

The Republicans are in control of two branches of govt, and working on the third. Any opposition is effectively moot. Note the word effectively.

This particular administration seems to have the idea that it it is being bipartisan when it tells non Republicans that they can do whatever the Republicans want.

Political parties, not Bin Laden are most likely to be the undoing of the Republic.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: arsbanned
In what way is she an ass? I completely agree with her. Those nutjobs running the show squelch any dissent. They ramrod everything through. How is that lying? She's simply telling it like it is. At least Delay got thrown out on deass. :thumbsup: Oh....wait for it.... It's HAMMMMMMERRRRTIME!

slurp slurp slurp.

Hows the Koolaid?

:roll:


She's a politician. Of course she lies. In this case it's more hyperbole, and anyone with a brain can see what she means. Many times I hear "Those soldiers are fighting in Iraq for our freedom". Also hyperbole, because Saddam was never a threat to our liberty. On the other hand, there could be an argument in a broader sense. Not that I would automatically agree, however a point could be made.

The Republicans are in control of two branches of govt, and working on the third. Any opposition is effectively moot. Note the word effectively.

This particular administration seems to have the idea that it it is being bipartisan when it tells non Republicans that they can do whatever the Republicans want.

Political parties, not Bin Laden are most likely to be the undoing of the Republic.

I agree 100%, but arsbanned statement is just flat out retarded. Name 1 bill passedf that was done so illegally? "Ramrodded"? Please. The tables have turned. Under the Klinton Administration is was the other way around. But now that the Dems cant get their way they start crying like a bunch of 4 year olds who lost their blanket. Boo hoo.

Personally, I dont really care for either side. People like Arsbanned and BB suck down that Blue Koolaid like champions, and parrot the D's talking points left and right thinking their party is what we need.

What we NEED is an overhaul, because BOTh parties are a bunch of crooks and theives.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: arsbanned
In what way is she an ass? I completely agree with her. Those nutjobs running the show squelch any dissent. They ramrod everything through. How is that lying? She's simply telling it like it is. At least Delay got thrown out on deass. :thumbsup: Oh....wait for it.... It's HAMMMMMMERRRRTIME!

slurp slurp slurp.

Hows the Koolaid?

:roll:


She's a politician. Of course she lies. In this case it's more hyperbole, and anyone with a brain can see what she means. Many times I hear "Those soldiers are fighting in Iraq for our freedom". Also hyperbole, because Saddam was never a threat to our liberty. On the other hand, there could be an argument in a broader sense. Not that I would automatically agree, however a point could be made.

The Republicans are in control of two branches of govt, and working on the third. Any opposition is effectively moot. Note the word effectively.

This particular administration seems to have the idea that it it is being bipartisan when it tells non Republicans that they can do whatever the Republicans want.

Political parties, not Bin Laden are most likely to be the undoing of the Republic.

I agree 100%, but arsbanned statement is just flat out retarded. Name 1 bill passedf that was done so illegally? "Ramrodded"? Please. The tables have turned. Under the Klinton Administration is was the other way around. But now that the Dems cant get their way they start crying like a bunch of 4 year olds who lost their blanket. Boo hoo.

Personally, I dont really care for either side. People like Arsbanned and BB suck down that Blue Koolaid like champions, and parrot the D's talking points left and right thinking their party is what we need.

What we NEED is an overhaul, because BOTh parties are a bunch of crooks and theives.


There is a great difference. Gridlock. That wonderful thing that keeps the parties fighting each other and largely ignoring us. 95% of the time that's good. I didn't care for either party, however the Republicans were in charge of Congress, and the Dems of the Presidency.

Now the Reps control everything.

I was station hopping on the radio yesterday and heard a few seconds of Rush's show. He had a replacement who said to the effect that while the President formulates the ideas, and Congress implements them, that Congress needs to find leaders in itself.

What's wrong with that? The President formulates the ideas and the Congress implements them.. Without flipping through my handy dandy Constitution I can say that nowhere is the President to be the master of Congress. Unfortunately, a great many supporters of Bush believe that is the purpose of Congress. That's wrong. Now, before anyone says "what if the Dems could do this" I would say it's wrong too. It's not about our party or agenda. It's effective seperation of powers, and that Congress represents the people of the US, not the Party in power. OK, it's always been like this, but now the control rests in one man, Bush. I don't think investing ANY person with that control is wise, and in that sense I agree with Hillary (although I really don't like the woman). Any effective opposition is dead.
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
There is a great difference. Gridlock. That wonderful thing that keeps the parties fighting each other and largely ignoring us. 95% of the time that's good. I didn't care for either party, however the Republicans were in charge of Congress, and the Dems of the Presidency.

Now the Reps control everything.

I was station hopping on the radio yesterday and heard a few seconds of Rush's show. He had a replacement who said to the effect that while the President formulates the ideas, and Congress implements them, that Congress needs to find leaders in itself.

What's wrong with that? The President formulates the ideas and the Congress implements them.. Without flipping through my handy dandy Constitution I can say that nowhere is the President to be the master of Congress. Unfortunately, a great many supporters of Bush believe that is the purpose of Congress. That's wrong. Now, before anyone says "what if the Dems could do this" I would say it's wrong too. It's not about our party or agenda. It's effective seperation of powers, and that Congress represents the people of the US, not the Party in power. OK, it's always been like this, but now the control rests in one man, Bush. I don't think investing ANY person with that control is wise, and in that sense I agree with Hillary (although I really don't like the woman). Any effective opposition is dead.

Lets be honest here. What you say is true, and we (the people) agree.
But we both know Hillary, or any politician for that matter, does NOT want that. They want their Party in power. Hillary only cares about the fact the R's are in power becuase it limits her power. Do you think Hillary would say anything if it was the D's that were in power? You can bet your bottom dollar shewouldnt.

Which is why I think so many are Koolaid drinkers. Hillary says the current political structure causes the D's to effectively have no power. And I agree. But Hillary says it not for wanting balance, but for wanting power for herself. And the people she represents are too stupid to realize that. They suck down her words and rant and cheer "Yes! We need to stop the power grab!" and Hillary is thinking "Yes, we need to get ourselves in power!"
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
There is a great difference. Gridlock. That wonderful thing that keeps the parties fighting each other and largely ignoring us. 95% of the time that's good. I didn't care for either party, however the Republicans were in charge of Congress, and the Dems of the Presidency.

Now the Reps control everything.

I was station hopping on the radio yesterday and heard a few seconds of Rush's show. He had a replacement who said to the effect that while the President formulates the ideas, and Congress implements them, that Congress needs to find leaders in itself.

What's wrong with that? The President formulates the ideas and the Congress implements them.. Without flipping through my handy dandy Constitution I can say that nowhere is the President to be the master of Congress. Unfortunately, a great many supporters of Bush believe that is the purpose of Congress. That's wrong. Now, before anyone says "what if the Dems could do this" I would say it's wrong too. It's not about our party or agenda. It's effective seperation of powers, and that Congress represents the people of the US, not the Party in power. OK, it's always been like this, but now the control rests in one man, Bush. I don't think investing ANY person with that control is wise, and in that sense I agree with Hillary (although I really don't like the woman). Any effective opposition is dead.

Lets be honest here. What you say is true, and we (the people) agree.
But we both know Hillary, or any politician for that matter, does NOT want that. They want their Party in power. Hillary only cares about the fact the R's are in power becuase it limits her power. Do you think Hillary would say anything if it was the D's that were in power? You can bet your bottom dollar shewouldnt.

Which is why I think so many are Koolaid drinkers. Hillary says the current political structure causes the D's to effectively have no power. And I agree. But Hillary says it not for wanting balance, but for wanting power for herself. And the people she represents are too stupid to realize that. They suck down her words and rant and cheer "Yes! We need to stop the power grab!" and Hillary is thinking "Yes, we need to get ourselves in power!"


I'm not arguing for the Dems, but for The People. Ignore the Dems and Reps for the moment. Does it make sense for any party to wield such power? I am not supporting her or the dems, but the idea that (to be blunt) infighting is a good thing.

I can't remember who said it, but it goes something like this "The greatest threat to Democracy is an efficient bureaucracy". I think you understand what I mean.

If we have a Dem Congress and a Rep Prez, that would work too. What we need is to get rid of them all, but they are too entrenched. There are people who actually believe that the two party system is somehow a Constitutional fact, and that Reps and Dems are THE annointed ones. Nonsense.

Personally, I like my first AND second amendment rights. In fact I wish to enjoy them all. Show me a party that wants this, and I would support them until they turn away from that path.

THere is no one to be seen with that intent.
 

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I found the plantation reference rather tacky and insensitive to people who actually lived through such a thing. Hillary and the king of Iran should get together and read a little about what they blab about.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I found the plantation reference rather tacky and insensitive to people who actually lived through such a thing. Hillary and the king of Iran should get together and read a little about what they blab about.

I agree. She should have handed out fried chicken and watermellon with that one.

 
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Originally posted by: jlmadyson
We love you too Hillary. Please run in 08 as well lol.

:beer:

Do you really laugh out loud when you post "lol"? I don't think I've ever seen a post of yours that didn't include "lol."
 

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Originally posted by: jlmadyson
We love you too Hillary. Please run in 08 as well lol.

:beer:

Do you really laugh out loud when you post "lol"? I don't think I've ever seen a post of yours that didn't include "lol."

Yea :laugh:
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
She has a point, but she is still an ass.

What point does she have? Hillary can't make a statement on anything without sticking her finger out to see which way the wind is blowing (reminiscent of Kerry).

And ass is an understatement :laugh: :laugh:
 

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If Hillary is elected president I suppose she will push the democrats to lose to the republicans in the Senate and House so that there are opposing arguments to her agenda.
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
There is a great difference. Gridlock. That wonderful thing that keeps the parties fighting each other and largely ignoring us. 95% of the time that's good. I didn't care for either party, however the Republicans were in charge of Congress, and the Dems of the Presidency.

Now the Reps control everything.

I was station hopping on the radio yesterday and heard a few seconds of Rush's show. He had a replacement who said to the effect that while the President formulates the ideas, and Congress implements them, that Congress needs to find leaders in itself.

What's wrong with that? The President formulates the ideas and the Congress implements them.. Without flipping through my handy dandy Constitution I can say that nowhere is the President to be the master of Congress. Unfortunately, a great many supporters of Bush believe that is the purpose of Congress. That's wrong. Now, before anyone says "what if the Dems could do this" I would say it's wrong too. It's not about our party or agenda. It's effective seperation of powers, and that Congress represents the people of the US, not the Party in power. OK, it's always been like this, but now the control rests in one man, Bush. I don't think investing ANY person with that control is wise, and in that sense I agree with Hillary (although I really don't like the woman). Any effective opposition is dead.

Lets be honest here. What you say is true, and we (the people) agree.
But we both know Hillary, or any politician for that matter, does NOT want that. They want their Party in power. Hillary only cares about the fact the R's are in power becuase it limits her power. Do you think Hillary would say anything if it was the D's that were in power? You can bet your bottom dollar shewouldnt.

Which is why I think so many are Koolaid drinkers. Hillary says the current political structure causes the D's to effectively have no power. And I agree. But Hillary says it not for wanting balance, but for wanting power for herself. And the people she represents are too stupid to realize that. They suck down her words and rant and cheer "Yes! We need to stop the power grab!" and Hillary is thinking "Yes, we need to get ourselves in power!"


I'm not arguing for the Dems, but for The People. Ignore the Dems and Reps for the moment. Does it make sense for any party to wield such power? I am not supporting her or the dems, but the idea that (to be blunt) infighting is a good thing.

I can't remember who said it, but it goes something like this "The greatest threat to Democracy is an efficient bureaucracy". I think you understand what I mean.

If we have a Dem Congress and a Rep Prez, that would work too. What we need is to get rid of them all, but they are too entrenched. There are people who actually believe that the two party system is somehow a Constitutional fact, and that Reps and Dems are THE annointed ones. Nonsense.

Personally, I like my first AND second amendment rights. In fact I wish to enjoy them all. Show me a party that wants this, and I would support them until they turn away from that path.

THere is no one to be seen with that intent.


Libertarians?