Hillary "is" going to win in 2008... and just because...

[randym431]

Yep! Thats where its coming down to. The question "are we ready for a woman pres?", and the answer will be YES. I feel sorry for whom ever gets the Republican nomination because what they stand for wont matter. What they say wont matter. The issues they bring up wont matter. None of this will matter. It will come down to "are we ready for a woman pres?".

And all the attention will be on her as a women. You will see a huge following take shape after she gets the Demo nomination. And her winning point will be, she is the first realistic woman considered for the job. She has the smarts, the experience and the track record. She's even hard and cold when she wants to be, a great national security plus in dealing with other countries.

And the reason she will be elected is that some people with the attitude they would "never' vote for a woman, or the attitude that this job is a "man only" job, well those voters will put that aside. Why? Because in their mind, they can and will vote for Hillary, thinking they are really getting Bill. Bill will be there in the background, so we're not really just voting in a woman, they will conclude.

Just wait. This race is going to turn to all talk about Hillary being a woman, and are we ready for a woman president. Any other conversation will become moot. The war, healthcare, taxes... wont matter. The poor Republican nominated will just be spinning their wheels and getting no where.

I'm not a Hillary fan, believe it or not, I just see this coming down and it WILL work to get her elected. Sorry to break it to you.

 

[Triumph]

Nobody believes we'll be getting Bill by voting for Hillary. More like we already had Hillary by voting for Bill.

 

[retrospooty]

She probably will win, but I dont think being a woman is going to help her. The reps has f#$%ed it up so bad that there is no way they can win it - The fact that she is the best qualified dem is what will win it for her.

 

[IGBT]

..she's the most cheated on woman in the world.

 

[theeedude]

She will win because of Iraq and SCHIP. Plus economy looks like it's headed for a recession.

 

[Siddhartha]

The main drivers in the 2008 election is going to be the war and economy not Ms Clinton's sex.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The main drivers in the 2008 election is going to be the war and economy not Ms Clinton's sex.

And UFOs when they land (this will somehow be conflated as a negative and blamed on Bush).

 

[K1052]

I think you're underestimating just how many people REALLY dislike her (not because the is a woman). There isn't a more polarizing candidate running in either party.

 

[jonks]

Do you think the first black Supreme Court justice was appointed because he was the most qualified candidate available in the entire country, or do you think it possible the president looked at the court, saw all white faces looking back at him, and saw the necessity of broadening the diversity of the most powerful court in the land? At least if Clinton wins it won't be by appointment, but by the American people (enough of them anyway) saying, yes, we are ready for a woman president.

 

[Starbuck1975]

How can we be sure she really is a woman? I have my doubts.

And no, I don't think her gender will play a factor in the election.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
How can we be sure she really is a woman? I have my doubts.

And no, I don't think her gender will play a factor in the election.

..she's an ignore-a-tron. that's how she delt with her cheating president. If she becomes pres.she'll be a pencil whip for higher taxes and eco-theism.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp
She will win because of Iraq and SCHIP. Plus economy looks like it's headed for a recession.

You're wrong on the first part. Hillary has given no assurances that she will pull us out of Iraq, and the larger issue surrounding SCHIP will only further undermine the OP's own arguments. The public is growing tired of being played upon with moral arguments, i.e. "we have to do it because it's the right moral thing to do" without further explanation.
For example, SCHIP failed not because it was a bad idea (I am very much in favor of the program), but ONLY because the Dems were too freakin' cowardly to ask everyone to pay for it, and tried (undemocratically) to pin the costs on unsustainable tobacco taxes.
Likewise, the Dems will fail with Hillary if they pull the woman card. Democracy does not appreciate being coerced.

 

[XMan]

Hilary will win . . . Ron Paul will run as an independent and reveal himself to be Ross Perot 2.0.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am going to leave any analysis of why she will win to after she wins.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
How can we be sure she really is a woman? I have my doubts.

And no, I don't think her gender will play a factor in the election.

..she's an ignore-a-tron. that's how she delt with her cheating president. If she becomes pres.she'll be a pencil whip for higher taxes and eco-theism.

So she stays with him, she's cold. She divorces him, she's a sinner who thinks pride is more important than family. I'd take her family values over the dog torturing mormon, the thrice-divorced cross-dresser, or the winner of the second wives club contest.

Of course I don't give a crap about any of that stuff, but when people cast those judgments it only makes sense to show how irrelevent they are. All of these people have accomplished a lot in their lives despite their apparent total lack of "values." None of us are perfect, and none of the candidates claims they are.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
How can we be sure she really is a woman? I have my doubts.

And no, I don't think her gender will play a factor in the election.

..she's an ignore-a-tron. that's how she delt with her cheating president. If she becomes pres.she'll be a pencil whip for higher taxes and eco-theism.

So she stays with him, she's cold. She divorces him, she's a sinner who thinks pride is more important than family. I'd take her family values over the dog torturing mormon, the thrice-divorced cross-dresser, or the winner of the second wives club contest.

Of course I don't give a crap about any of that stuff, but when people cast those judgments it only makes sense to show how irrelevent they are. All of these people have accomplished a lot in their lives despite their apparent total lack of "values." None of us are perfect, and none of the candidates claims they are.

..you can dance around it all you want but in the end you come back to the fact she's the most cheated on woman in the world.

 

[Sinsear]

Wait till the Republicans really start beating on the immigration drum. Amnesty is not acceptable, punishment for sanctuary cities, etc. SCHIP will take a back burner to that.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: senseamp
She will win because of Iraq and SCHIP. Plus economy looks like it's headed for a recession.

You're wrong on the first part. Hillary has given no assurances that she will pull us out of Iraq, and the larger issue surrounding SCHIP will only further undermine the OP's own arguments. The public is growing tired of being played upon with moral arguments, i.e. "we have to do it because it's the right moral thing to do" without further explanation.
For example, SCHIP failed not because it was a bad idea (I am very much in favor of the program), but ONLY because the Dems were too freakin' cowardly to ask everyone to pay for it, and tried (undemocratically) to pin the costs on unsustainable tobacco taxes.
Likewise, the Dems will fail with Hillary if they pull the woman card. Democracy does not appreciate being coerced.

Your opinion on what the public thinks is nothing more than wishful thinking.
If the public is deciding on who will get us out of Iraq, GOP will lose, again. There may not be assurances from Hillary that we'll get out, but it's pretty much assured that we won't get out with the Republicans, because they would have done that by now if they wanted to. Neocons want Iraq as a base for a wider middle east strategy, they've indicated that, and I take them at their word.
The Republican alternative to SCHIP expansion is also funded by Tobacco taxes at same amount. It just ensures fewer kids.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Wait till the Republicans really start beating on the immigration drum. Amnesty is not acceptable, punishment for sanctuary cities, etc. SCHIP will take a back burner to that.

That'll alienate GOP's own big business constituency, put them at a big disadvantage in the money race and ability to respond to well funded Democrat candidates, make them look like nationalist rednecks, and smother their campaigns. Plus SCHIP is a gift that keeps on giving. Dems can bring it up at will until Bush signs it or GOP overrides his veto. Republicans cannot bring anything up to vote because they don't control the agenda.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Sinsear
Wait till the Republicans really start beating on the immigration drum. Amnesty is not acceptable, punishment for sanctuary cities, etc. SCHIP will take a back burner to that.

That'll alienate GOP's own big business constituency, put them at a big disadvantage in the money race and ability to respond to well funded Democrat candidates, make them look like nationalist rednecks, and smother their campaigns. Plus SCHIP is a gift that keeps on giving. Dems can bring it up at will until Bush signs it or GOP overrides his veto. Republicans cannot bring anything up to vote because they don't control the agenda.

We'll wait and see. I'm betting that immigration is gonna be a big deal in this election. And the SCHIP won't be as big of a deal in the Presidential race because Rudy, Mitt, Fred did not even have the opportunity to vote for/against it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Hillary will win, but not because she is a woman but because Bush is the epitome of ignorance and has prevailed in his exquisite showdown of how bad the GOP really is.

Think of it this way, at least she's better than Bush could ever hope to be in every way possible.

I'd like to see Wesley Clarke running but that won't happen so whatever democrat that gets the most votes is fine by me.

Of course, i'm not American, but since we're US's bitch nowadays it sort of matters to me too.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Of course, i'm not American

That pretty much sums it up.

We're electing a U.S. President.

 

[randym431]

The main drivers in the 2008 election is going to be the war and economy not Ms Clinton's sex.

I don?t agree.
When it comes down to it, no one will have a magic answer for either the war or the economy that will fly.
Should we be in Iraq? No... but we are there now and pretty much in the muck until we can figure something out. No one is really be 100% cut and run. And theres always that "9/11" slogan. We don?t want another 9/11, even though Iraq had nothing to do with it. Theres is debate, but no answers.

The economy? Well same-o. Everyone running has advice, but what will fly with the people? No magic solutions there either. Debate - yes, no magic solutions.

Soooooo... Knowing the news media and the press and their attention span, the night after Hillary gets the thumbs up from her party, she will give a speech that will say this and that, but push the point "I am a woman", the FIRSTin US history".

And the next day, all the news stations won't be talking about her war stance or her healthcare stance or economy stance. It will be "are we ready for a woman president". Mark my words, this talk will be HUGE.

If the republicans and independents REALLY wanted to compete in this race, they'd better rush out and get a woman to run against Hillary. Mrs Dole, or Rice or even Barb Bush. Their ONLY hope for a level playing field.

And as much hate that Hillary does have against her from some, she (like her hubby) can, and will, win many of them over.

Hey, its going to come down to a huge band wagon "we have our first serious woman running in US history", and Americans LOVE to be on the band wagon.

We'll know if my predictions are on track the night she is chosen by her party.
Just watch her speech...

You fail to see the huge impact that having a woman as the candidate from a major party, for the first time in US HISTORY can have on people. Americans LOVE this kinda of stuff. LOVE IT!

Whether or not people like or dislike Hillary will become moot. It wont matter.
If she gets the demo nomination, she's money in the bank!!!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: randym431
And as much hate that Hillary does have against her from some, she (like her hubby) can, and will, win many of them over.

I disagree, and history agrees with my sentiment. Hillary Clinton is the most polarizing figure in Washington - right alongside Dick Cheney. You either love her, or you hate her. There's absolutely no in-between, and people made up their minds a long time ago. Her recent focus-group image enhancement attempts have failed miserably. She will be the first candidate ever (according to Gallup) to enter the General Election with a (near, or at) 50% unfavorable rating. That's going to be an impossible hurdle, IMHO.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Of course, i'm not American

That pretty much sums it up.

We're electing a U.S. President.

Well, since you have an opinion on the UK, Iran, Iraq and every other country, can't i have an opinion on the US, we are, after all sold out to the US by Tony Blair.

But you are right, and i'm going to take great pleasure in watching your posts after Hillary has won.