Hillary Clinton not having a good week.

[Lemon law]

After Hillary tried to lecture Pakistan who is finally doing something real about the Taliban while the USA dithers in Afghanistan, Hillary received an even sterner lecture about the US use of drones that may may be war crimes violations.

Then Hillary was off to the mid-east to face Israeli and Arab leaders. And found Israel eager to stall for more time which de facto allows more Israeli settlement in the West bank bank and east Jerusalem. Something Arab leaders are absolutely united against
in a zero tolerance policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/world/middleeast/03diplo.html?_r=1&ref=global-home

I suspect time is rapidly running out for Obama to straddle any more fences, especially in the Mid-east. And without Obama forcing a total settlement freeze and coming aboard on moving forward on the Goldstone report, he is in grave danger of losing all support in the Arab world and a substantial amount of support in the UN.

After the pointless Annapolis conference where some Arab leaders were willing to table the settlement issue to get other concessions, they realized Israel would make no concessions and that they were played as suckers.

The other question is Israel now prepared to make concessions, and I have to feel the answer is a definite no at this point in time. Unless the USA now puts very hard pressure on Israel with more sticks than carrots.

But my guess is, time is running out, Obama must choose because he can't be in the good graces of both. And if Obama choose Israel, terrorism world wide will ramp up in a very big way in both the mid-east and the Afghan Pakistani areas of operation.

 

[piasabird]

How can anyone take Hilary Clinton Seriously?

 

[rudder]

She could probably go to Kosovo and get some crap done.

 

[jadinolf]

She could probably go to Kosovo and get some crap done.

Then she will have to worry about snipers.

 

[nageov3t]

How can anyone take Hilary Clinton Seriously?

yes, if Obama had a different SoS his foreign policy of hugging it out would magically start working.

 

[bamacre]

yes, if Obama had a different SoS his foreign policy of hugging it out would magically start working.

"Foreign policy of hugging it out?"

Those aren't hugs he's sending to Afghanistan, nor are those things falling from Predator planes hugs.

If he wants a foreign policy that may actually work, he needs to dump the "try and please everyone" policy and do what he thinks is right.

 

[JKing106]

You didn't know what the word "dither" meant until you heard it from the propaganda heads. Good little sheep. At least you morons are building your vocabularies.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You didn't know what the word "dither" meant until you heard it from the propaganda heads. Good little sheep. At least you morons are building your vocabularies.

That still doesn't change the fact that Hillary did not in fact have a very good week.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If he wants a foreign policy that may actually work, he needs to dump the "try and please everyone" policy and do what he thinks is right.

This.

 

[lupi]

While he most likely will fubar the rest of it, if they continue to let israeli works things out on their own we won't have a palestine problem to worry about.

 

[Lemon law]

While he most likely will fubar the rest of it, if they continue to let israeli works things out on their own we won't have a palestine problem to worry about.

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Again somewhat an absurd thing to say, even while Israel tries to possess all the land and building in the West bank and and East Jerusalem, the Arab and Palestinian birthrates greatly exceed the corresponding Jewish populations birthrates. And since the surrounding Arab nations refuse to let Israel off the hook for what amounts to Israeli problems, Israel is stuck with a population that will sooner or later overwhelm them in raw weight of numbers. Even ethnic Arabs inside Israel and with full citizenship rights are starting to approach the population size of Jewish Israelis.

Leaving Israel with a dilemma, they refuse to pony up the disputed land captured in the 1967 war needed to form a Palestinian State, yet if they don't, sooner or later they will be voted out of power by their citizens. Or forced into a power sharing agreements that will honor the right to return.

And all the kings tanks and all the kings planes can't maintain an apartheid society forever.

 

[lupi]

talk about master of absurdity, so you answer to a perceived apartheid situation is to create an apartheid situation; as they said in the beer commercial, brilliant!

 

[Lemon law]

talk about master of absurdity, so you answer to a perceived apartheid situation is to create an apartheid situation; as they said in the beer commercial, brilliant!

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No lupi, its still Israel trying to maintain an apartheid when they cannot.

 

[crisscross]

This.

Agreed

 

[Budmantom]

Obama has created or saved a million jobs, why not just say that he created victory in Afghanistan and peace in the middle-east?

 

[Jaskalas]

If he wants a foreign policy that may actually work, he needs to dump the "try and please everyone" policy and do what he thinks is right.

I completely agree.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Gotta love how Lemon law used a "Hillary Clinton" thread as a thinly-veiled attempt to yet again bash Israel.

/golfclap

 

[Budmantom]

"Foreign policy of hugging it out?"

Those aren't hugs he's sending to Afghanistan, nor are those things falling from Predator planes hugs.

If he wants a foreign policy that may actually work, he needs to dump the "try and please everyone" policy and do what he thinks is right.

Yeah... because he has a long history of trying to please everyone, just look at health-care, tarp, stimulus, auto bailouts everyone wanted those, he is always meeting with Republicans sometimes I think that he's a conservative, instead of Barry we should call him the great compromiser.

 

[jonks]

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