Hillary Clinton condemns the arrests of protestors, calls for freedom of expression

[bamacre]

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/18/ex_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_beaten

Oh, the irony. McGovern did a good job showing the hypocrisy of our politicians.

 

[Anarchist420]

Yes, it is very ironic considering the fact that she once co-authored a bill with Sen. Lieberman banning video games.

 

[CycloWizard]

The US Constitution seems to apply to everyone* these days.

*Except US citizens.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This didn't really happen. Hillary is one of the enlightened and so it's impossible.

Cue the apologists...

Na, this thread will sink to the bottom faster than most except for "but Bush!"

 

[RightIsWrong]

Once again it proves that the US is a "do as we say, not as we do" society when it comes to what we tell others how they should behave and what we actually do/expect of ourselves.

 

[soundforbjt]

Ok, let's apply logic here, maybe you righties have heard about it.

How was (I assume) security to know this guy was peaceful in his intensions? He could've had a weapon (hard plastic knife would get through metal detectors), he maybe was planning more (no way of knowing if you're security).

Old people bruise easily (guy's in his 70's, IIRC). You also have a better chance to get bruised if you resist. I've been arrested before, did not resist, and no bruising found. Just saying...

ironic, yes, safety of a high ranking official in the light of current events...safety first.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Ok, let's apply logic here, maybe you righties have heard about it.

How was (I assume) security to know this guy was peaceful in his intensions? He could've had a weapon (hard plastic knife would get through metal detectors), he maybe was planning more (no way of knowing if you're security).

Old people bruise easily (guy's in his 70's, IIRC). You also have a better chance to get bruised if you resist. I've been arrested before, did not resist, and no bruising found. Just saying...

ironic, yes, safety of a high ranking official in the light of current events...safety first.

I don't see how standing up with your back turned is the least bit threatening. That's actually the most vulnerable position you can put yourself in.

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't see how standing up with your back turned is the least bit threatening. That's actually the most vulnerable position you can put yourself in.

Could've been checking out the security behind in back before he made a move...there's a million ways to look at it, safety first in light of recent events. There was no way for security to know what this guy was doing or thinking.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Could've been checking out the security behind in back before he made a move...there's a million ways to look at it, safety first in light of recent events. There was no way for security to know what this guy was doing or thinking.

so no one, in any stadium, ever, turns their back on the main venue?

not saying security can't come over to him, but dragging him away and arresting him seems a bit much. i bet they could have done their job just as easily by saying "wtf are you doing?" and checking him out.

 

[soundforbjt]

This is a high ranking government official, not just anybody. Did they go too far? Maybe, but you can't afford to take chances nowdays.

 

[BoberFett]

This is a high ranking government official, not just anybody. Did they go too far? Maybe, but you can't afford to take chances nowdays.

Some of the animals are more equal than others?

 

[soundforbjt]

Some of the animals are more equal than others?

If you don't think they are, just look at security around the rich and powerful. Not to mention, doesn't she get Secret Service protection?

I'm sure that Faux News, right-wing bloggers, Talk radio pundits, Rush, etc. will be sure to look at this logically as I did before spouting off and blaming Hillary and the left.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ok, let's apply logic here, maybe you righties have heard about it.

How was (I assume) security to know this guy was peaceful in his intensions? He could've had a weapon (hard plastic knife would get through metal detectors), he maybe was planning more (no way of knowing if you're security).

Old people bruise easily (guy's in his 70's, IIRC). You also have a better chance to get bruised if you resist. I've been arrested before, did not resist, and no bruising found. Just saying...

ironic, yes, safety of a high ranking official in the light of current events...safety first.

Heh, righties.

Ok. The guy stands up and turns his back to her. Were they afraid he was going to fart?

You can bet your ass that they knew just who he was before he even sat down.

Why? Because he's a known entity.

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/5/5/retired_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_takes

Note he wasn't beat up then.

When it comes to supporting their own, many on the left and right justify anything if it's their own "guy".

Leftist neocons. Meh, not surprising.

I don't buy this left or right thing. I know if someone got hurt and was being a hypocrite they suck. That's how it is.

 

[soundforbjt]

In a dark auditorium it's hard to find your way back to your seat sometimes, let alone recognize someone who looks to me like any average old man.

He wasn't beaten up, he resisted being removed & arrested. Bruising on arms does not equal being beaten up.

 

[Bowfinger]

This is a high ranking government official, not just anybody. Did they go too far? Maybe, but you can't afford to take chances nowdays.

Sorry, but that's the attitude that's letting America fall ever deeper into an authoritarian state. We preach freedom to the rest of the world, yet we tolerate increasingly less of it at home. If there was some legitimate concern that McGovern posed a physical threat -- doubtful -- all security needed to do at the point was merely position themselves near him. If he actually did more than just stand quietly, then and only then was physical intervention warranted.

I will say. however. that the Democracy Now piece seems to be over the top in calling this a beating. It's not a claim McGovern himself appears to have made. Too much hyperbole, too little fact.

 

[soundforbjt]

We've lost alot of rights & freedom in the last 30 years, and security has had to sometimes do the wrong things in certain situations because of recents events. I don't agree with it, but things are the way they are.

 

[Throckmorton]

Sounds like the typical made up bullshit you usually hear on Democracy Now. Nobody beat him up.

I guess you right wingers get a pass on buying into this BS, because you probably never heard of the show until now and don't realize how biased and dishonest Amy Goodman is.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sounds like the typical made up bullshit you usually hear on Democracy Now. Nobody beat him up.

I guess you right wingers get a pass on buying into this BS, because you probably never heard of the show until now and don't realize how biased and dishonest Amy Goodman is.

Then I'll be wrong about this. How about providing another source (besides something left leaning).

 

[CycloWizard]

We've lost alot of rights & freedom in the last 30 years, and security has had to sometimes do the wrong things in certain situations because of recents events. I don't agree with it, but things are the way they are.

So let's just leave them that way. Things can't change. Except they have changed, otherwise they wouldn't be the way they are now.

And you do understand that the point of this thread was to demonstrate the hypocrisy of Hillary stating that protesters should be free to express dissent after having this guy throw out, right?

 

[soundforbjt]

Did Hillary have this guy thrown out?

I didn't see anything in the video where she said to throw him out.
It's looks like security or Secret Service did it on their own.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Then I'll be wrong about this. How about providing another source (besides something left leaning).

Oh, I should clarify. I don't know how badly he was handled. But it seems the hypocrisy claim stands on firm ground.

http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/B...-vet-was-manhandled-for-silent-protest-596038

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Did Hillary have this guy thrown out?

I didn't see anything in the video where she said to throw him out.
It's looks like security or Secret Service did it on their own.

Did Rumsfeld have him thrown out? Did the governments in the ME order protesters killed or beaten? Poor guys, they might have been completely innocent parties. Hillary picking on them.
Yeah whatever.

Divert all you want, but how these situations are handled is decided in advance and you bet your ass the politicians have input.

 

[soundforbjt]

^^^How the hell would Hillary know what was happening? Hypocrisy not found.

Secret service acts on their own orders of protection, if it was the secret service involved. Too early to know all the facts and jump to conclusions as some here are guilty of. Diversion not found either.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

^^^How the hell would Hillary know what was happening? Hypocrisy not found.

Heh, keep going. Like I said how these things are handled is already decided before the fact, and Hillary knows the drill. It still comes down to her making the speech while the government does the opposite.

Maybe you'll win our hearts and minds and we'll throw roses in the street as she walks.

Egads, this is like talking to an Iraq supporter years ago. Well it's nothing new and it won't change. The government can do as it wants and the ideologues will defend them.

 

[soundforbjt]

So, you know how the Secret Service is run? Please enlighten me.

Guess you've never been on a stage before, You can't see anything beyond the first couple of rows.

By the way, Rumsfeld does not get Secret Service protection and never did. Hillary does, because she's a former First Lady.