Hillary Campaign - Updated

[Fern]

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I was looking at the David Gergen article linked above and came across this:

Only a few days ago, Carl Bernstein reported on CNN that the Clinton campaign was sitting on some nasty stuff about Obama ? stuff they thought the media should have featured a long time ago ? and the campaign was preparing to go hard negative with it. We have heard rumors of this kind before and nothing has materialized, but there was a sense that perhaps in a desperate, 11th-hour bid for the nomination, the Clintons would throw the rest of the kitchen sink at Barack, and maybe the bathroom, too.

I musta missed that in the news. If Carl Berstein is correct, things could get ugly soon.


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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The chief strategist for Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign is quitting that post amid criticism of his public relations firm's contacts with the Colombian government over a pending free-trade deal, Clinton's campaign announced.

Mark Penn and his political consulting firm will continue advise the New York senator's Democratic presidential bid, but Penn will give up his job as chief strategist, campaign manager Maggie Williams said

This will probably be taken as a sign of trouble. But might end up being a good thing for Billary's campaign, although likely to late in the game to matter much. Seems like so far it's been a two-headed beast of sorts. I suppose Howard Wolfson will now be in-charge of this.

Fern

 

[Farang]

I may hate that guy more than Hillary.

 

[Rike]

Rats from a sinking ship?

 

[BarneyFife]

The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

 

[Carmen813]

I don't mind if she stays in the race, so long as she can behave ethically (i.e. admitting the elections in FL/MI were a joke and splitting the delegates in half). So far she hasn't shown herself capable of that, but I remain optimistic.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Rike
Rats from a sinking ship?

:laugh: My thoughts exactly.

 

[Bitek]

Seems like he pretty much had to after the whole Bosnia thing. Last thing she needs is another "Hillary is a Liar" scandal with him around considering the NAFTA issue and the PA primary just a few weeks away (and Obama pulling within single digits in some polls.)

 

[tweaker2]

aye, hillary's first-rate galleon was last seen adrift in the bermuda triangle with some of her campaign staff walking the plank at saber point, a few others hanging from the yardarms, some others being keel-hauled abaft while the rest are valiantly brewing potions and casting curses at obama dolls.

meanwhile, superdelegates and other mutinous crew members have been seen abondoning ship over the starboard gunnel and swimming over to dinghys bound for obamaland.

 

[DukeN]

She should've just packed her bags after the Bosnia incident. Let's see - Bosnia lies, posturing about NAFTA, her chief strategist openly working against her fabricated stand, hospital lies, campaign finances a mess. Not to mention this "strong woman" could not stand up for herself as a woman. Seems like her Husband is banned from her rallies, etc even when she wins for political reasons.

Sounds like the kind of cold, heartless b*tch that gives women a bad name.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

Yeah, and all those people who keep voting for her. When she wins PA blame the media, not the voters. The overwhelming majority of voters expect Obama to win the nomination, and still half aren't voting for him. That's not the media, that's lack of voter confidence.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

Yeah, and all those people who keep voting for her. When she wins PA blame the media, not the voters. The overwhelming majority of voters expect Obama to win the nomination, and still half aren't voting for him. That's not the media, that's lack of voter confidence.

What you call lack of voter confidence I think is more fanatical commitment and a fear that only a fighter who demonize the opposition can win. Hope scares the cynical.

 

[StageLeft]

This has been a continual problem for her campaign more than McCain's or Obama's. She lacks, obviously, the ability to reign in her people and keep them under control with a cohesive and consistent face for the campaign.

 

[jonks]

Good riddance. Dude was an abrasive ass.

 

[Moonbeam]

My guess is that she attracts divisive and combative people and that comes out when blood gets in the water.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My guess is that she attracts divisive and combative people and that comes out when blood gets in the water.

yeah, but Obama attracted Pabster nothing but love for you :beer:

 

[DukeN]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Good riddance. Dude was an abrasive ass.

Sounds like a match made in heaven for Hilary's campaign

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Good riddance. Dude was an abrasive ass.

:thumbsup:

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

Yeah, and all those people who keep voting for her. When she wins PA blame the media, not the voters. The overwhelming majority of voters expect Obama to win the nomination, and still half aren't voting for him. That's not the media, that's lack of voter confidence.

What you call lack of voter confidence I think is more fanatical commitment and a fear that only a fighter who demonize the opposition can win. Hope scares the cynical.

Right, if they're voting for your guy it's because of hope. But if they're voting for the other side it's fanatical. You're a hypocrite Moonbeam.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

Yeah, and all those people who keep voting for her. When she wins PA blame the media, not the voters. The overwhelming majority of voters expect Obama to win the nomination, and still half aren't voting for him. That's not the media, that's lack of voter confidence.

What you call lack of voter confidence I think is more fanatical commitment and a fear that only a fighter who demonize the opposition can win. Hope scares the cynical.

Right, if they're voting for your guy it's because of hope. But if they're voting for the other side it's fanatical. You're a hypocrite Moonbeam.

No, I don't think I'm being hypocritical. I think there's a general leaning in the directions I suggested. I think people who believe in fighting are more inclined to Hillary and those who are looking for change in the direction of consensus are more for Obama. Are you trying to tell me that people pick their candidates out of a hat with nothing they say or stand for affecting anybodies position? Maybe you feel insulted to know you're hopeless instead of proud to be a fighter, no?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

Yeah, and all those people who keep voting for her. When she wins PA blame the media, not the voters. The overwhelming majority of voters expect Obama to win the nomination, and still half aren't voting for him. That's not the media, that's lack of voter confidence.

What you call lack of voter confidence I think is more fanatical commitment and a fear that only a fighter who demonize the opposition can win. Hope scares the cynical.

So says Moonbeam as he attempts to demonize anybody who supports Hillary.

There are times to compromise, but just as surley there are times NOT to.

 

[jpeyton]

BTW, +1 superdelegate today for Obama.

He has gained 55 supers since Super Tuesday; Hillary has lost 5 in the same period of time.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

Yeah, and all those people who keep voting for her. When she wins PA blame the media, not the voters. The overwhelming majority of voters expect Obama to win the nomination, and still half aren't voting for him. That's not the media, that's lack of voter confidence.

What you call lack of voter confidence I think is more fanatical commitment and a fear that only a fighter who demonize the opposition can win. Hope scares the cynical.

So says Moonbeam as he attempts to demonize anybody who supports Hillary.

There are times to compromise, but just as surley there are times NOT to.

I tried to give a description I thought resembles reality. I can't help it if you felt demonize. Why would people support different candidates if they weren't looking for different things.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

Yeah, and all those people who keep voting for her. When she wins PA blame the media, not the voters. The overwhelming majority of voters expect Obama to win the nomination, and still half aren't voting for him. That's not the media, that's lack of voter confidence.

What you call lack of voter confidence I think is more fanatical commitment and a fear that only a fighter who demonize the opposition can win. Hope scares the cynical.

So says Moonbeam as he attempts to demonize anybody who supports Hillary.

There are times to compromise, but just as surley there are times NOT to.

I tried to give a description I thought resembles reality. I can't help it if you felt demonize. Why would people support different candidates if they weren't looking for different things.

I didn't feel demonized, but recognize your attempt at implying Hillary backers are "fanatics" who need to "demonize" their opposition.

Hope is a great thing but by itself it doesn't put any food on the table.

 

[DukeN]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The ship has sunk. She needs to get out of the race for the good of the democratic party.

Yep, it's actually over, the only thing keeping it alive is the media.

Yeah, and all those people who keep voting for her. When she wins PA blame the media, not the voters. The overwhelming majority of voters expect Obama to win the nomination, and still half aren't voting for him. That's not the media, that's lack of voter confidence.

What you call lack of voter confidence I think is more fanatical commitment and a fear that only a fighter who demonize the opposition can win. Hope scares the cynical.

So says Moonbeam as he attempts to demonize anybody who supports Hillary.

There are times to compromise, but just as surley there are times NOT to.

I tried to give a description I thought resembles reality. I can't help it if you felt demonize. Why would people support different candidates if they weren't looking for different things.

I didn't feel demonized, but recognize your attempt at implying Hillary backers are "fanatics" who need to "demonize" their opposition.

Hope is a great thing but by itself it doesn't put any food on the table.

Neither does a candidate who can't even manage the finances of her own campaign. Yeah, she'd be a great fit from an economic standpoint.