Hillary buying trying to buy coalminers votes

[ivwshane]

Oh, it's not because of policies? Interesting, then why did the EPA mandates have any effect at all? If it was simple market forces at play, the EPA mandates wouldn't have had any impact. Fail.

You can argue about whether the policies are bad or not. Some would say the overall impact is good, some would say not. Regardless, there is no logical argument that the policies don't negatively impact the coal industry. None.

Yeah, except reality.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-04/obama-didn-t-kill-coal-the-market-did

The EPA’s Clean Power Plan merely continues this trend. Consider this: More than 50 percent of U.S. electric power came from coal in 2005. Today, it is down below 40 percent. The EPA’s new rules project a decline to 27 percent by 2030. In other words, we are already halfway to the EPA’s goal -- seven years before its rules take full effect, and before many of the coal plant closings that are scheduled to happen over the next decade, thanks to the Sierra Club and others.

 

[glenn1]

So handouts for corporations are ok but handouts for citizens aren't.

Interesting.

Thankfully for you Democrats support both, food stamps are a prime example. We can't let the Kraft Foods and corporate farms have to survive on unsubsidized revenue streams alone.

But that's okay, you stay in your self-imposed veil of ignorance that 'your side' doesn't give out tens of billions of corporate handouts annually.

 

[ivwshane]

Thankfully for you Democrats support both, food stamps are a prime example. We can't let the Kraft Foods and corporate farms have to survive on unsubsidized revenue streams alone.

But that's okay, you stay in your self-imposed veil of ignorance that 'your side' doesn't give out tens of billions of corporate handouts annually.

Lol! So yes, for the right, corporate handouts are OK but handouts for citizens aren't!

Thanks for confirming his point

 

[K1052]

Thankfully for you Democrats support both, food stamps are a prime example. We can't let the Kraft Foods and corporate farms have to survive on unsubsidized revenue streams alone.

But that's okay, you stay in your self-imposed veil of ignorance that 'your side' doesn't give out tens of billions of corporate handouts annually.

I don't recall stating that "my side" didn't give out corporate handouts/subsidies in different areas. Really this is part of a larger, separate discussion.

I merely questioned the premise of if only giving them to corporations and not citizens in this context is defensible I don't see how it is.

 

[PokerGuy]

I merely questioned the premise of if only giving them to corporations and not citizens in this context is defensible I don't see how it is.

Who said giving handouts to corporations is permissible while giving them to individuals is not?

 

[PokerGuy]

Yeah, except reality.

Thanks for proving my point, you're proving that the EPA and other admin policies have and will continue to impact the coal industry. Glad to see you've come to realize that I'm right.

 

[K1052]

Who said giving handouts to corporations is permissible while giving them to individuals is not?

You did basically.

Applying policy that sets standards for pollution from all generation sources, regardless of fuel, levels the playing field economically. For decades the utilities that owned large portfolios of oil coal plants successfully lobbied to be exempted from pollution standards and they made a lot of money in the interim. They were effectively subsidized by government regulation (or lack there of in this case)

I'm at a loss as how anybody can argue that those subsidies are good but subsidies that would help coal industry workers move on to other jobs/retire are bad. The GOP has been screaming it's head off about the job loss from the, now inevitable, decline of coal yet continually block all attempts to actually help the affected people. Instead they fall back on "job killing environmental regulations" being the problem while the absence of those rules amount to a gigantic economic handout to the coal industry.

 

[theeedude]

Good for her. But if they don't want the $30B, that's cool too.

 

[Sonikku]

Quite frankly I'm appalled that regular Americans having their livelihoods displaced by change and technology are getting help from the government to wean themselves into more modern ways of earning a living. That money should be going to big oil.

 

[ivwshane]

Thanks for proving my point, you're proving that the EPA and other admin policies have and will continue to impact the coal industry. Glad to see you've come to realize that I'm right.

Lol! The denial is strong in this one! Creating comprehensive energy policies that utilize our natural resources that are cleaner and don't increase costs is "stupid policy" now? EPA guidelines that didnt go into effect when coal started is decline is proving your point?

Lol what a fucking idiot you are.

 

[PokerGuy]

You did basically.

Uh, no. Just because you make dumb (incorrect) inferences based on what I said doesn't mean I said it. Fail. I said nothing about corporate handouts, at all.

 

[PokerGuy]

Lol what a f*cking idiot you are.

Yep, if I got any dumber, I might get to your level! Argh, the horror!

 

[ivwshane]

Yep, if I got any dumber, I might get to your level! Argh, the horror!

You can't get any dumber! My level would be a step up for you

Your buckshotting of this thread is proof of your stupidity.

(Buckshotting has been trademarked by me and is used to describe someone who denies any fact when presented to them and then says that their original position wasn't the position they originally had.)

 

[K1052]

Uh, no. Just because you make dumb (incorrect) inferences based on what I said doesn't mean I said it. Fail. I said nothing about corporate handouts, at all.

You described a policy that effectively ends a government handout to corporations as "stupid" then go on to bash the program that's proposed on the basis of handouts to citizens being bad. I think I understand what you said but I'm not sure you actually do.

 

[pcgeek11]

I am sure she is doing out of deep concern for those coal miners and no other....

 

[ivwshane]

I am sure she is doing out of deep concern for those coal miners and no other....

So helping citizens for personal gain is worse than not helping citizens at all?

What an odd little man you are.

 

[soulcougher73]

Sub in Republican at the top and it's the same.

 

[fskimospy]

Thankfully for you Democrats support both, food stamps are a prime example. We can't let the Kraft Foods and corporate farms have to survive on unsubsidized revenue streams alone.

But that's okay, you stay in your self-imposed veil of ignorance that 'your side' doesn't give out tens of billions of corporate handouts annually.

You realize that democrats have been trying to cut farm subsidies for years, only to meet furious conservative resistance, right?

Conservatives are the big supporters of corporate welfare for farmers, not liberals. That's ok though, stay in your veil of ignorance.

 

[Jhhnn]

Righties are strange in the way they look at the world.

When Mitt & friends offshored Delphi, they didn't make a peep, because... Job Creators... or something. While the financial elite has torn down vast segments of the economy they've defended the perps' right to do so because... Free Market. Personal responsibility. And nothing else, of course. Y'all are on your own. Too bad, so sad. Bootstraps. Eat shit & die.

When a politician suggests that the Eeebil big gubmint has a greater responsibility to workers displaced by policy they're raving at the top of their lungs because of who's saying it. They apparently think the govt should just follow the lead of the financial elite.