Hilary, not the hurricane, the woman who should have been president, interviewed Aug. 14 by Rachel Maddow

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This is good. She IS human, she is cogent, she can think on her feet (OK, her seat), she's been paying attention. I don't disagree with anything she says here. This is worth watching:

 
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I think the problem was that Hilary had brains. We all know what the general population likes in women. Men would vote for someone with the requisite physical traits and women would vote for her too coz most of them follow their men (husbands/partners and fathers).
 

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And you chose the orange monkey instead... shiiiiiiit
I laughed (quite literally at his antics during summer 2016) but the laughing was over come 8PM Pacific on election day. A dark cloud had parked over the USA to stay 4++ years, which I realized in that very moment.

Hilary was First Lady, Secretary of State, Senator from New York and is now a bona fide pundit. I'd vote for her again. Well, certainly if she were the Democratic candidate.
 
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I think the problem was that Hilary had brains. We all know what the general population likes in women. Men would vote for someone with the requisite physical traits and women would vote for her too coz most of them follow their men (husbands/partners and fathers).

That's not the body part that kept her from being elected ...
 

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That's not the body part that kept her from being elected ...
Not to mention the Benghazi-ing.

As one of my friends put it, "I just couldn't trust her". I was very disappointed (but he was planning on voting against trump in 2020 at least).

I imagine a lot of voters felt that way in 2016, even though who they ended up voting for was infinitely more duplicitous, disingenuous, and an all-around scum of the earth human being.
 
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I think the problem was that Hilary had brains. We all know what the general population likes in women. Men would vote for someone with the requisite physical traits and women would vote for her too coz most of them follow their men (husbands/partners and fathers).
Welcome to 1967!
 

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Not to mention the Benghazi-ing.

As one of my friends put it, "I just couldn't trust her". I was very disappointed (but he was planning on voting against trump in 2020 at least).

I imagine a lot of voters felt that way in 2016, even though who they ended up voting for was infinitely more duplicitous, disingenuous, and an all-around scum of the earth human being.

Which is also funny considering that hearing was just her pegging all the GQP assholes (pun intended) and watching their dumb faces not be able to understand how she could handle the questions they thought were all gotchas.
 
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Not to mention the Benghazi-ing.

As one of my friends put it, "I just couldn't trust her". I was very disappointed (but he was planning on voting against trump in 2020 at least).

I imagine a lot of voters felt that way in 2016, even though who they ended up voting for was infinitely more duplicitous, disingenuous, and an all-around scum of the earth human being.
Yep. The Fox machine is strong. Too strong.
 

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For those who refused to vote for Hillary. Put aside your dislike, what would she have done that is worse than Trump?
 

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I expended a fair amount of whisky that night.
I spent the night reflecting on the fact that I could not do a single thing to stop Trump from happening because liberal have a brain defect that blinds them to all the warnings that were to me so self evident. The whole country was responsible for Trump. LunarRay disappeared for a couple of months and I learned later he had been emailing and writing to Democrat mucky mucks to warn them Trump would win. Liberals get very upset with you tell them they have a brain defect. Trump is a disaster that was a long time in the making, but appearing suddenly like a freak wave at sea, a perfect demigod for people who hate themselves.
 

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Not to mention the Benghazi-ing.

As one of my friends put it, "I just couldn't trust her". I was very disappointed (but he was planning on voting against trump in 2020 at least).

I imagine a lot of voters felt that way in 2016, even though who they ended up voting for was infinitely more duplicitous, disingenuous, and an all-around scum of the earth human being.
You can tell the people who brained have been turned to mush by Fox News. Ask for details of their hate for Hillary it will sound like talking points word for word. If you demand more they will call you names and go home.

Mark Meadows admitted in public Benghazi was all about damaging Hillary's poll numbers and they will just discount it.
 
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You can tell the people who brained have been turned to mush by Fox News. Ask for details of their hate for Hillary it will sound like talking points word for word. If you demand more they will call you names and go home.

Mark Meadows admitted in public Benghazi was all about damaging Hillary's poll numbers and they will just discount it.
IMO Hunter's laptop is exactly that, an attempt to both sides Biden in the mush minds. I mean what are Hunter's missives compared to Trumpian sabotage?
For those who refused to vote for Hillary. Put aside your dislike, what would she have done that is worse than Trump?
I never understood a refusal to vote for Hillary. That was the fruit of poison pills planted by the Republican Party. Her emails and Benghazi were fluff.
 
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IMO Hunter's laptop is exactly that, an attempt to both sides Biden in the mush minds. I mean what are Hunter's missives compared to Trumpian sabotage?

I never understood a refusal to vote for Hillary. That was the fruit of poison pills planted by the Republican Party. Her emails and Benghazi were fluff.

Yes its an attempt to convince people that Biden is corrupt. And this type of idiocy works. For instance, the High Fructose Corn Syrup vitriol was enough it convinced a scientist at Stanford that it was worse than sucralose because even he assumed that well high fructose must mean it has way more fructose than glucose, despite that not being the case. He literally studies that shit for a living and even he got duped by simple phrasing. For the general "know nothings" of America that believe they're apolitical (I get it, I was one), this sways them. You can debunk it all you want but even if they know its bullshit it can still sway them. That's why the FBI's behavior leading up to 2016 election was likely enough to change the outcome. I guess it'll be interesting to see how it works this time since the Hunter Biden stuff flopped in 2020, but that's why they've been pushing for these hearings to give it the air of legitimacy (just like they did with Hillary) as though it got covered up (only now since Biden is in office they can go see Biden covered it up - which obviously wouldn't have made sense in 2020). The thing is, I'm not sure how "tough on crime" and raging about Hunter Biden will play with the many many crimes of Turmp, but I've learned to not underestimate people's stupidity.

But, like, she's not "likable" (read: attractive) enough! That was a recurring remark, and then people wonder why I make a fuss about people only able to discuss women insofar as their appearance goes. Because that shit has ramifications.
 

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Fuck that rightwing piece of shit and her husband too. Thanks for not campaigning in the rust belt and taking that Clinton Firewall for granted thereby leaving us with Trump.
 
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I think the problem was that Hilary had brains. We all know what the general population likes in women. Men would vote for someone with the requisite physical traits and women would vote for her too coz most of them follow their men (husbands/partners and fathers).
The problem was Clinton is a piece of shit who inspired nothing in voters and everyone but Bernie was scared to run against her in the 2016 primaries.
 
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But, like, she's not "likable" (read: attractive) enough! That was a recurring remark, and then people wonder why I make a fuss about people only able to discuss women insofar as their appearance goes. Because that shit has ramifications.
Her campaign was I should be president because Trump's a pig. Laziest campaign I have ever seen.
 

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I laughed (quite literally at his antics during summer 2016) but the laughing was over come 8PM Pacific on election day. A dark cloud had parked over the USA to stay 4++ years, which I realized in that very moment.

Hilary was First Lady, Secretary of State, Senator from New York and is now a bona fide pundit. I'd vote for her again. Well, certainly if she were the Democratic candidate.
I didn't laugh. Nate Silver on 538.com repeatedly made the case that Trump could very easily win the election off a small polling error and put the odds at like 1 in 3 while so much of the mass media was acting like the election was a wrap because Trump having to win every close state was like needing to call right on 10 independent coin flips when he really only needed to win two (e.g., the rust belt and Florida). I was mildly surprised Trump won the election, but nowhere near as much as a major upset like Cleveland winning Game 7 over Golden State.
 
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