Hilarious! Iraqis to assume full control of security in 12-18 months.

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
I thought it was beaten into our heads there should not be a timetable???

Right. The republicans said a timetable is a terrible thing. So, they said 12 to 18 months - not a timetable, instead a range. See?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Will anything make the left happy when it comes to Iraq?

Of course the left is happy there is a timetable to leaving Iraq, the vast majority thought it was idiotic to wage war there in the first place. That fact, however does nothing to diminish the hypocrisy of everyone including you and all the way up to the President for berating any kind of timetable as "cut and run."

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Will anything make the left happy when it comes to Iraq?

Of course if we are in Iraq when a Democratic President takes over watch how fast they change their mind to back up what ever plan the President puts into place.

Presidents on both sides have a history of changing their minds, most people would call that flexability. Sadly, in todays political climate changing your mind is a sign of weakness.

Witness the following statements by Clinton and all the time he changed his mind (and I am sure the right bitched every time as well)
MILITARY ACTION IN HAITI:
"I have no intention of asking our young people in uniform...to go in there
to do anything other than implement a peace agreement..."
October 13, 1993.

"...I think that we cannot afford to discount the prospect of a military
option [in Haiti]."
May 3, 1994.

BOSNIA:
"We will make the U.S. the catalyst for a collective stand against
aggression, the action I have urged in response to Serbian aggression in
Bosnia . . ."
August 13, 1992.

"I think we should act. We should lead. The United States should lead."
April 23, 1993.

"I cannot unilaterally lift the arms embargo [on Bosnia].... Our allies
decided that they weren't prepared to go that far this time."
June 15, 1993.

"The United Nations controls what happens in Bosnia."
June 15, 1993.

MISSION IN SOMALIA:
"The ultimate goal is to make sure that the United Nations can fulfill its
mission there and continue to work with the Somalis toward nation
building."
June 16, 1993.

"The U.S. military mission is not now nor was it ever one of `nation
building.'"
October 13, 1993.

Obligatory "but, but Clinton" post. We can continue the thread now

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Will anything make the left happy when it comes to Iraq?

Of course if we are in Iraq when a Democratic President takes over watch how fast they change their mind to back up what ever plan the President puts into place.

Presidents on both sides have a history of changing their minds, most people would call that flexability. Sadly, in todays political climate changing your mind is a sign of weakness.

Witness the following statements by Clinton and all the time he changed his mind (and I am sure the right bitched every time as well)
MILITARY ACTION IN HAITI:
"I have no intention of asking our young people in uniform...to go in there
to do anything other than implement a peace agreement..."
October 13, 1993.

"...I think that we cannot afford to discount the prospect of a military
option [in Haiti]."
May 3, 1994.

BOSNIA:
"We will make the U.S. the catalyst for a collective stand against
aggression, the action I have urged in response to Serbian aggression in
Bosnia . . ."
August 13, 1992.

"I think we should act. We should lead. The United States should lead."
April 23, 1993.

"I cannot unilaterally lift the arms embargo [on Bosnia].... Our allies
decided that they weren't prepared to go that far this time."
June 15, 1993.

"The United Nations controls what happens in Bosnia."
June 15, 1993.

MISSION IN SOMALIA:
"The ultimate goal is to make sure that the United Nations can fulfill its
mission there and continue to work with the Somalis toward nation
building."
June 16, 1993.

"The U.S. military mission is not now nor was it ever one of `nation
building.'"
October 13, 1993.

Obligatory "but, but Clinton" post. We can continue the thread now

You forgot: "Vote Republican or you'll die"

Carry on...

 

[Pens1566]

Don't they know that a timetable will only give aid and comfort to the terrists??? Why do they hate America????

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
No, DealMonkey, the policy never was "Stay the Course", don't you listen? Just like it never was about WMD, or about Regime Change, or about Terror, or about the inifinite number of things Bush said it was about at one point then FLIP FLOPPED (highlighted for Bush zealots/idiots) and said it wasn't about that at all.

I seriously think Bush is telling the truth when he spouts his platitudes about winning hearts and minds and remaking the middle east with his wilsonsian nation bulding schemes...and is just shocked, shocked i tell ya Iraqis will not behave just like Ohioans given half the chance. Man is ignorant to the extreme of the culture, the sectarian strife, islam and even basic tenats of justice like you don't attack first.

The alternative is too terrible to imagine. A vast right wing conspriacy to enrich themselves and thier donars with payola indefinity to the 32,000 or so Friends of George govt contractors involved in this war, they never had any intention of "winning" the peace.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Will anything make the left happy when it comes to Iraq?

Of course if we are in Iraq when a Democratic President takes over watch how fast they change their mind to back up what ever plan the President puts into place.

Presidents on both sides have a history of changing their minds, most people would call that flexability. Sadly, in todays political climate changing your mind is a sign of weakness.

Witness the following statements by Clinton and all the time he changed his mind (and I am sure the right bitched every time as well)
MILITARY ACTION IN HAITI:
"I have no intention of asking our young people in uniform...to go in there
to do anything other than implement a peace agreement..."
October 13, 1993.

"...I think that we cannot afford to discount the prospect of a military
option [in Haiti]."
May 3, 1994.

BOSNIA:
"We will make the U.S. the catalyst for a collective stand against
aggression, the action I have urged in response to Serbian aggression in
Bosnia . . ."
August 13, 1992.

"I think we should act. We should lead. The United States should lead."
April 23, 1993.

"I cannot unilaterally lift the arms embargo [on Bosnia].... Our allies
decided that they weren't prepared to go that far this time."
June 15, 1993.

"The United Nations controls what happens in Bosnia."
June 15, 1993.

MISSION IN SOMALIA:
"The ultimate goal is to make sure that the United Nations can fulfill its
mission there and continue to work with the Somalis toward nation
building."
June 16, 1993.

"The U.S. military mission is not now nor was it ever one of `nation
building.'"
October 13, 1993.

odd that none of those clinton quotes contradict each other.

reality is that bush screwed up by going into iraq without a plan. the current problem is that he still does not have a plan. this new 'plan' was kick started by the iraqis and not the US.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Will anything make the left happy when it comes to Iraq?

Of course if we are in Iraq when a Democratic President takes over watch how fast they change their mind to back up what ever plan the President puts into place.

Presidents on both sides have a history of changing their minds, most people would call that flexability. Sadly, in todays political climate changing your mind is a sign of weakness.

Witness the following statements by Clinton and all the time he changed his mind (and I am sure the right bitched every time as well)
MILITARY ACTION IN HAITI:
"I have no intention of asking our young people in uniform...to go in there
to do anything other than implement a peace agreement..."
October 13, 1993.

"...I think that we cannot afford to discount the prospect of a military
option [in Haiti]."
May 3, 1994.

BOSNIA:
"We will make the U.S. the catalyst for a collective stand against
aggression, the action I have urged in response to Serbian aggression in
Bosnia . . ."
August 13, 1992.

"I think we should act. We should lead. The United States should lead."
April 23, 1993.

"I cannot unilaterally lift the arms embargo [on Bosnia].... Our allies
decided that they weren't prepared to go that far this time."
June 15, 1993.

"The United Nations controls what happens in Bosnia."
June 15, 1993.

MISSION IN SOMALIA:
"The ultimate goal is to make sure that the United Nations can fulfill its
mission there and continue to work with the Somalis toward nation
building."
June 16, 1993.

"The U.S. military mission is not now nor was it ever one of `nation
building.'"
October 13, 1993.

odd that none of those clinton quotes contradict each other.

reality is that bush screwed up by going into iraq without a plan. the current problem is that he still does not have a plan. this new 'plan' was kick started by the iraqis and not the US.

That's not the important part, they just need to get Clinton's name in the post as much as possible. You know, because he's been president for the last 14 years.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Will anything make the left happy when it comes to Iraq?

Of course if we are in Iraq when a Democratic President takes over watch how fast they change their mind to back up what ever plan the President puts into place.

That's a fair point John. Many in the left's opposition is governered by their hatred of Bush and republicans an nary a peep was heard by these same people about bombimg out Sarajavo. But that's a minority.. Also scale is much much worse here in men materials and money. If we just bombed the crap out or iraq, or even went in and wasted Saddam and his henchmen and left the opposition would'nt be heard. It's the selling of the war, hundreds of billions spent, the needless waste of american lives for what is a futile cause makes majority of people blood boil right or left.

Or do you seriously think if someone like Clinton wins in 08 and Americans keep dying at a 3 per day clip the left will be happy with "stay the course"?

 

[senseamp]

Is it a typo?
They mean 12-18 years, no?

 

[Lemon law]

Well, since this post has been deflected into, once again, into a Clinton bash---let me make a few points.

a. For all the problems---the international mission into Bosia has been an almost mission accomplished---before the intervention---there was genoside on an epic scale. Now
such genoside is stopped.--------try comparing that to GWB's new improved Iraq---where long after the intervention---the United States itself is accused of human rights abuses--and the number of innocent Iraqis killed makes Saddam look like an angel.---by a ratio of 4 or 5 to 1.

b. Granted Clintons intervention into Somalia was not very well planned---But Clinton was invited in by the warring factions---when the war lords broke their agreements, Clinton
got us out fast----and sacked Les Aspen---his defense secretary----now any of you repubs care to talk about that other defense secretary the name of Rumsfeld--who is sure not paying the price for incompetency.

c. On Gwb's watch---Somalia is now a totally terrorist run country.

Maybe its time to discuss the original thread---unless you repubs care to air your glaring failures---where Clinton looks excellent by comparison.

 

[theheartofwinter]

I'd say leave the Iraqi problem to the Iraqis. The US has already done enough, time for them to pick up the slack. I hope it was worth it going in, I mean under Saddam, the country seems more stable and people under control. But now its just utter chaos out there and them incapapable of even governing and defending themselves.

 

[Bitek]

The only reason this came about is bc of Democratic and breakaway Reps pressure has Bush despirately trying to save the '06 elections. If anything, this should prove even more why the nation should vote democratic this year, the only way GWB is going to do anything right is by holding his feet to the fire.

They want bloodshed and civil war. There is too much ethnic hatred and built-up injustices over the decades to just be forgotten. The bloodletting will have to work its course, we can't stop it, and maybe/hopefully we can step back in after and help Iraq then. I don't need anymore of my family blown up/ shot up trying to plug a dam with thier fingers.

Prof John has sex thru the pee-hole in his underwear.