Hijackers crashed Flight 93

[SViscusi]

U.S. investigators now believe that a hijacker in the cockpit aboard United Airlines Flight 93 instructed terrorist-pilot Ziad Jarrah to crash the jetliner into a Pennsylvania field because of a passenger uprising in the cabin.

This theory, based on the government's analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls.

The government's findings-- laid out deep within the report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that was sent to Congress last month-- aim to resolve one of the enduring mysteries of the deadliest terror attacks in U.S. history: What happened in the final minutes aboard Flight 93?

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Has this been reported by any network?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

U.S. investigators now believe that a hijacker in the cockpit aboard United Airlines Flight 93 instructed terrorist-pilot Ziad Jarrah to crash the jetliner into a Pennsylvania field because of a passenger uprising in the cabin.

This theory, based on the government's analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls.

The government's findings-- laid out deep within the report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that was sent to Congress last month-- aim to resolve one of the enduring mysteries of the deadliest terror attacks in U.S. history: What happened in the final minutes aboard Flight 93?

Link

Has this been reported by any network?

I dont think so, but it really does not change anything. If they did crash the plane, it was only to keep the passengers from getting control.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SViscusi

U.S. investigators now believe that a hijacker in the cockpit aboard United Airlines Flight 93 instructed terrorist-pilot Ziad Jarrah to crash the jetliner into a Pennsylvania field because of a passenger uprising in the cabin.

This theory, based on the government's analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls.

The government's findings-- laid out deep within the report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that was sent to Congress last month-- aim to resolve one of the enduring mysteries of the deadliest terror attacks in U.S. history: What happened in the final minutes aboard Flight 93?

Link

Has this been reported by any network?

I dont think so, but it really does not change anything. If they did crash the plane, it was only to keep the passengers from getting control.

Allright. I'm gonna' go way out on a limb here.

I have a lot of family in western PA. I spoke with several of them shortly after 9/11. Many people in the immediate area are of the opinion that Flight 93 was taken down.

Just telling you what people who live there were saying shortly after it happened. From the TV shots it might look like a sparsely populated area but there are many people in southwestern PA. It's not the wilds of Idaho by any stretch. People saw things. After initial stories nothing more was said about this possibility. We were just sold the "Let's roll!" line.

And please don't get me wrong. Those people are heros. Even if the account that emerged wasn't 100% true even by the new account they forced those madmen into downing that aircraft.

But like I said, people I spoke with who live out there tell a different story. After all, it wan't captured on film for our tortured viewing like the WTC. For all of them. The innocent and the heroes who died that day.
:brokenheart:

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SViscusi

U.S. investigators now believe that a hijacker in the cockpit aboard United Airlines Flight 93 instructed terrorist-pilot Ziad Jarrah to crash the jetliner into a Pennsylvania field because of a passenger uprising in the cabin.

This theory, based on the government's analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls.

The government's findings-- laid out deep within the report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that was sent to Congress last month-- aim to resolve one of the enduring mysteries of the deadliest terror attacks in U.S. history: What happened in the final minutes aboard Flight 93?

Link

Has this been reported by any network?

I dont think so, but it really does not change anything. If they did crash the plane, it was only to keep the passengers from getting control.

Allright. I'm gonna' go way out on a limb here.

I have a lot of family in western PA. I spoke with several of them shortly after 9/11. Many people in the immediate area are of the opinion that Flight 93 was taken down.

Just telling you what people who live there were saying shortly after it happened. From the TV shots it might look like a sparsely populated area but there are many people in southwestern PA. It's not the wilds of Idaho by any stretch. People saw things. After initial stories nothing more was said about this possibility. We were just sold the "Let's roll!" line.

And please don't get me wrong. Those people are heros. Even if the account that emerged wasn't 100% true even by the new account they forced those madmen into downing that aircraft.

But like I said, people I spoke with who live out there tell a different story. After all, it wan't captured on film for our tortured viewing like the WTC. For all of them. The innocent and the heroes who died that day.
:brokenheart:

Conspiracy theory abounds. I would not doubt the goverment would have ordered this plane shot down if needed. However there are many that have complained that the goverment took too long to scramble jets. It would seem difficult for both cases to be true. There also happen to be those pesky inflight calls to loved ones that go along with the official story.

 

[RDWYTruckDriver]

I have a lot of family in western PA. I spoke with several of them shortly after 9/11. Many people in the immediate area are of the opinion that Flight 93 was taken down.

In their opinion " how " was it " taken down ?

Just telling you what people who live there were saying shortly after it happened

You were not specific in telling us " what people who live there were saying " What they were saying ?

People saw things

Tell us what they saw ?

 

[BOBDN]

I'd be passing along an account third hand. And it would rekindle a lot of bad memories. It already is for me.

It's over. The latest story is probably closer to the truth than any of the others. Or maybe it's a combination of them all. It usually is.

 

[Matt2]

I think either of the first two stories is true and that being the fact, those people are heroes and nothing is going to take that from them.

If the plane was shot down, they're still heroes because they were planning on retaking the plane.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Matt2
I think either of the first two stories is true and that being the fact, those people are heroes and nothing is going to take that from them.

If the plane was shot down, they're still heroes because they were planning on retaking the plane.

Agreed.

 

[Zebo]

However there are many that have complained that the goverment took too long to scramble jets

AFAIK there was no contingency plan for such action in the first place and the military was prohibited from engaging in domestic law enforcement anyway before 911. Second-guessing is mainly generated by greedy family members who weren?t satisfied with the huge unprecedented pay out the government made, conspiricy theorists and Bush administration foes. Much like citing these FBI failures. I guess it's natural to want to see some heads hang but the simple fact is this was not planed for. Tom Clanseys book does not count. It is now though. Terrorists are pretty impotent now thanks to measure insitituted after 911 and must carry out their crusade in Indonesia and Saudi as we see now...Sure something will eventually get though again but it's much much more difficult.

 

[DukeFan21]

It's been carried on the cable news networks.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: Zebo

However there are many that have complained that the goverment took too long to scramble jets

AFAIK there was no contingency plan for such action in the first place and the military was prohibited from engaging in domestic law enforcement anyway before 911. Second-guessing is mainly generated by greedy family members who weren?t satisfied with the huge unprecedented pay out the government made, conspiricy theorists and Bush administration foes. Much like citing these FBI failures. I guess it's natural to want to see some heads hang but the simple fact is this was not planed for. Tom Clanseys book does not count. It is now though. Terrorists are pretty impotent now thanks to measure insitituted after 911 and must carry out their crusade in Indonesia and Saudi as we see now...Sure something will eventually get though again but it's much much more difficult.

Actually, it is military policy that the instant a plane appears to be hijacked, fighter jets are scrambled automatically. There's no decision to be made by any commander. All the planes were hijacked by 8:10 that morning. The plane that crashed into the Pentagon did so at 9:40, 10 miles away from Andrews Air Force Base. I'm not saying there was a conspiracy or anything, but there were major mistakes made and a gross lack of communication.

 

[Zebo]

It is now.... Post 911.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Zebo

However there are many that have complained that the goverment took too long to scramble jets

AFAIK there was no contingency plan for such action in the first place and the military was prohibited from engaging in domestic law enforcement anyway before 911. Second-guessing is mainly generated by greedy family members who weren?t satisfied with the huge unprecedented pay out the government made, conspiricy theorists and Bush administration foes. Much like citing these FBI failures. I guess it's natural to want to see some heads hang but the simple fact is this was not planed for. Tom Clanseys book does not count. It is now though. Terrorists are pretty impotent now thanks to measure insitituted after 911 and must carry out their crusade in Indonesia and Saudi as we see now...Sure something will eventually get though again but it's much much more difficult.

"greedy family members who weren?t satisfied with the huge unprecedented pay out the government made"

Are you F***NG SERIOUS?

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Zebo
It is now.... Post 911.

And former New Jersey Governor Kean is finally conducting an investigation, which the Bush administration is doing all it can to derail.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: Zebo
It is now.... Post 911.

According to an account I read by a retired admiral, it was the policy then too.

 

[Zebo]

Yes bob I'm absoluty serious. Why did'nt OKC victims get it? Or a grandmother who got murdered yesterday. It's murder why should the tax payers pay for this? What makes them so special and the other murder victims not? Seems very unfair. And where is the precedent? Why ar'nt the the americans killed by bomb in saudi getting it?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

This is not the Jessica Lynch story people, in any scenario, these people died heroes IMO. The phone calls suggest that they were planning on taking back the plane, so whether they crashed it or the hijackers, its irrelevant, the terrorists were prevented from carrying out their attack. Even if it was shot down, which I don't think it was, I cannot find fault with people who knew they were going to die that day, its just pathetic to do so. This was not "Lynchpaganda".

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
This is not the Jessica Lynch story people, in any scenario, these people died heroes IMO. The phone calls suggest that they were planning on taking back the plane, so whether they crashed it or the hijackers, its irrelevant, the terrorists were prevented from carrying out their attack. Even if it was shot down, which I don't think it was, I cannot find fault with people who knew they were going to die that day, its just pathetic to do so. This was not "Lynchpaganda".

I agree, these people were heroes. The reason why the plane came down is of no importance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: GuyDebordJudoClub
The Truth is of no importance.
All corporate puppet journalists had to agree to get their job.
What they are allowed to Investigate: blowjobs.
What they are not allowed to investigate: JFK, Pearl Harbour, 9-11

<Poltergeist voice> He's here <Poltergeist voice>

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: GuyDebordJudoClub
The Truth is of no importance.
All corporate puppet journalists had to agree to get their job.
What they are allowed to Investigate: blowjobs.
What they are not allowed to investigate: JFK, Pearl Harbour, 9-11

Ok, just to humour you, say that the US gov did whoot down the plane. What difference does it make? What do you expect them to do, just allow it to sail directly into the White House? Or are you going to say that they should have done just that, let it crash but evacuate the target (White House) in advance instead of shooting down the plane? What would that have achieved, the people on board would have still died. I'm all for investigating 9/11, but this particular incident is not an issue. I don't understand what your grievance is. I'm on the left and have argued that the French boycot and French bashing is stupid, but people like you make it very, very hard for people like me by playing into the stereotype that all French people are dicks.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: GuyDebordJudoClub
The Truth is of no importance.
All corporate puppet journalists had to agree to get their job.
What they are allowed to Investigate: blowjobs.
What they are not allowed to investigate: JFK, Pearl Harbour, 9-11

Ok, just to humour you, say that the US gov did whoot down the plane. What difference does it make? What do you expect them to do, just allow it to sail directly into the White House? Or are you going to say that they should have done just that, let it crash but evacuate the target (White House) in advance instead of shooting down the plane? What would that have achieved, the people on board would have still died. I'm all for investigating 9/11, but this particular incident is not an issue. I don't understand what your grievance is. I'm on the left and have argued that the French boycot and French bashing is stupid, but people like you make it very, very hard for people like me by playing into the stereotype that all French people are dicks.

IMO he's not French. Just a troll

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Allright. I'm gonna' go way out on a limb here.

I have a lot of family in western PA. I spoke with several of them shortly after 9/11. Many people in the immediate area are of the opinion that Flight 93 was taken down.

Just telling you what people who live there were saying shortly after it happened. From the TV shots it might look like a sparsely populated area but there are many people in southwestern PA. It's not the wilds of Idaho by any stretch. People saw things. After initial stories nothing more was said about this possibility. We were just sold the "Let's roll!" line.

And please don't get me wrong. Those people are heros. Even if the account that emerged wasn't 100% true even by the new account they forced those madmen into downing that aircraft.

But like I said, people I spoke with who live out there tell a different story. After all, it wan't captured on film for our tortured viewing like the WTC. For all of them. The innocent and the heroes who died that day.
:brokenheart:

Do you honestly think that if an American pilot shot down some civilians would be able to keep quiet about it? Even if he was ordered and even if it meant saving a thousand lives, it would still be horrific to this person and not only him, but the people in the chain of command that would have initiated such an attack. Have you heard anything from any of these people?

One common theme from eyewitnesses in many an airplane crash is the popular "well there was this fireball trailing the airplane." There may have been vapor trails off of the wings. But an airplane being aimed towards the ground looks a lot different in the sky than one being shot down.