Higher value in Samsung than moderate priced LCD monitors ?

[Ken20]

I saw this posting, and, to my surprise, it aligns exactly with my present intent and interest. I am surious as to recommendations here.

Ken

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While I have a guru on the phone... I have been in to a store to eyeball LCD monitors (I have two 21? Nokia CRTs and have not much inspected the world of LCD) and did not have enough data at my disposal to do much discerning.

I identify LCD monitors in two general ranges:

1 is the lower, moderate end, such as the Princeton, Mag, Proview realm
PCmagPrincetonl

the 2nd is the higher end, such as the Samsung
PCmagSamsung

the Samsung is about 70% more expensive in price. She would likely be willing to spend the money if it was worth the difference.

Do you have a viewpoint on the relative merits of the higher end Samsung versus the lower, moderate end, such as the Princeton, Mag, Proview models ?

Would the difference be noticeable and is the warranty difference of that much greater value ?

Thanks mucho,
Jjflash

Some urls:
Samsung171P

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">SamsungLCDmonitors</a>

 

[bigshooter]

that is a really old review. check current prices at www.monitorsdirect.com

 

[Ken20]

Bigshooter, very interesting, it is perhaps an older review, but it is helpful, particularly in that the Princeton SENergy 751 costs $769.00 and the Samsung 171P (PC Mag's Editor's Choice) only costs $772.00,
I note that a very good and reputable On-Line store has the:
Princeton VL173 17-inch LCD flat panel display for $400.
It has a Contrast Ratio: 300:1
Brightness: 250 cd/m²

The Princeton SENergy 751 17-inch has a Native Resolution - 1280x1024
Contrast Ratio - 400:1
Brightness - 220 cd/m2
Viewing Angle (H/V) - 160°/160°
3-Year Warranty

The Samsung 171P has a Native Resolution - 1280x1024
Contrast Ratio - 500:1
Brightness - 250 cd/m2
Viewing Angle (H/V) - 170°/170°
3-Year Warranty

Do you think that these higher Contrast Ratios of 400:1 for the Princeton SENergy 751 $769.00
And Contrast Ratio - 500:1 for the Samsung 171P $772.00

Are what makes the difference. AND if the contrast ratio is of significance in daily viewing ?

Thanks to any who may respond,
Ken

 

[bigshooter]

I'll need to find a review, but I'm trying to find out why the 171p costs as much as a 191T. The reason I said taht was an old review, was that I thought the prices were hihg. Monitorsdirect had the 171p for $7xx thouhg. They both have "500:1" contrast ratios, but I don't think it's actually that high. I do love my 191T though.

 

[T9D]

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[Ken20]

"It seems all your paying for is the little bit better resolution for that small a monitor."

Zerosleep,
This is starting to light up the ol' cones and rods and smell up the ol' nose bud olfactory.
This is the bloodhound on the trail that I am after.
I am amply familiar with CRTs (standard Cathode Ray Tube monitors), but with LCDs these factors of ratio of physical size, to contrast ratio would presumably correlate to scan resolution in CRTs.

For example, as the size increases, so must the Contrast Ratio ? Or the reverse?

Per:
contrast ratio definition
What is contrast ratio?
The contrast ratio of an LCD is defined as the ratio of brightness (or luminance) of the pixel to the background. In all cases the numerator of the calculation should be the brighter value.

And another, better reference:
LCD info more detail

SO?. my question distills to ? at a 17? size and no higher, is it that the higher the contrast ratio, the more visible and better the viewing of the monitor ?
Or would, for office purposes, do you think that the Contrast Ratio: 300:1 for (as above) the Princeton VL173 would be as workable as the others, or is that much higher contrast ratio worth it, no matter what.

For example, the 17? model of the ViewSonic VA930 19inch, has a contrast ratio of 450:1
17" model of viewsonic

Thus would the 17? not be able to use the extra contrast ratio of 600:1 that the ViewSonic VA930 19inch has ?

Thanks, Ken

(That ViewSonic VA930 19inch, sure does have the specs, though. )

 

[PinchyCM]

If you're looking for a Samsung LCD, buy a Dell FP LCD. They're rebadged Samsung monitors, the 171T, 181T, and 191T respecitvely. They're just as good, and they're cheaper. Oh, and make sure it has DVI, it makes a huge difference.

 

[RichieZ]

Originally posted by: PinchyCM
If you're looking for a Samsung LCD, buy a Dell FP LCD. They're rebadged Samsung monitors, the 171T, 181T, and 191T respecitvely. They're just as good, and they're cheaper. Oh, and make sure it has DVI, it makes a huge difference.

the 1900FP is said to be the samsung 191T minus the pivot feature
the 1800FP is made by LG
the 1702FP is said to use a samsung panel but who knows which one

That being said I have the 1900FP and I love it

 

[Ken20]

The plot thickens,
Thanks, RichieZ

PinchyCM - it would be very interesting to me if you could elaborate a touch on the value you find with and using DVI ........

Thanks in advance,
K

 

[GnomeCop]

I dunno why I much prefer my 191T over my friends dell 1900fp... his is darker when placed next to mine. And I hate that dell logo
The big thing though is that the OSD on the 191 T is much better IMO.

I never use the pivot feature though.

 

[Looney]

PinchyCM - it would be very interesting to me if you could elaborate a touch on the value you find with and using DVI ........

You definitely want DVI... there certainly is a difference in text quality when using DVI as opposed to Analogue.

As for the Dell's LCD... i have the 1800FP, and it's absolutely gorgeous.

 

[PinchyCM]

Originally posted by: Ken20
The plot thickens,
Thanks, RichieZ

PinchyCM - it would be very interesting to me if you could elaborate a touch on the value you find with and using DVI ........

Thanks in advance,
K

Well in summary, using a standard VGA connector with a LCD display uses a digital signal converted into an analog signal for the LCD, is converted back into a digital signal again inside the LCD. This leads to a loss of quality, and time.

 

[PinchyCM]

Originally posted by: RichieZ

Originally posted by: PinchyCM
If you're looking for a Samsung LCD, buy a Dell FP LCD. They're rebadged Samsung monitors, the 171T, 181T, and 191T respecitvely. They're just as good, and they're cheaper. Oh, and make sure it has DVI, it makes a huge difference.

the 1900FP is said to be the samsung 191T minus the pivot feature
the 1800FP is made by LG
the 1702FP is said to use a samsung panel but who knows which one

That being said I have the 1900FP and I love it

Where did you find out that info? I'd like to see it for myself. Not being being disrespectful in anyway, I'd just like to read it myself.

 

[Ken20]

Moralpanic and PinchyCM,
Yep that explains it and convinces me re DVI. Thanks,

Can you recommend a moderate priced video card with a DVI interface ?

K

 

[Kingofcomputer]

You get what you pay for.

Those rebadged samsung Dell lcd mon use lower spec, lower quality grade panel, like Samsung's V, S series.
It's worth to pay more for Samsung's B, T, P series.
Now there is a new mid-price, mid-grade, more narrow bezel - N series.

 

[Ken20]

Kingofcomputer,
That is good advice. Strange as it may sound, there is also a prohibition regarding black monitors in the mind of a certain someone, (not me) and that has to be worked around. The Dell's seem to be black. The Samsung's have silver ones available. I know it sounds sacrilegious in the Anand environment, but such are the whims of some, in life.
They could go with the Samsung 171P or the 170 MP or 171MP. I note that the 170 MP is almost 20% lower than the 171P. Now, as you suggest, to look at the N series.
This page has a good listing of the Samsungs:
Samsung at Provantage
Now to the further decision process.
Opinions and rants and raves are welcomed.

K

 

[Kingofcomputer]

I don't suggest Samsung LCD mon.
Its value is not good as Eizo.
The quality is still not at Eizo level.
The price is close to Eizo.
Too many different models for each size (NEC is doing this now, too), I prefer Eizo's mostly only 1 model for each size.

My 1st choice: Eizo - extreme price, extreme quality.
2nd choice: NEC (except V series) - good price, high quality.