High school senior jailed and expelled because of First Responder pocket knife

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Knife attack like the one that killed 27 in China narrowly averted. Good police.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Are these EMT's parking their vehicles on school property when they are not working or responding to a call? Are they also students and therefore subject to the student rules of conduct? If not then your question seems like an illogical leap as there are obviously significant differences between what happened and what you wonder about



How is that - logically - a similar scenario?

What do the student rules of conduct have to do with being charged with a crime?

Okay, so how about the EMT's parked their vehicle on school grounds while not responding to a call, they would be committing a crime? Maybe there is a distinction recognized by the law that would prevent that, but being charged with a crime for having a small knife in your parked car is silly.

 

[Exterous]

What do the student rules of conduct have to do with being charged with a crime?

I would imagine it has to do with this part:

school officials searched his car in December and found the folding knife and an Airsoft gun.

I believe the student rules of conduct give school officials the right to search your car without law enforcement present for students. I do not believe this applies to non-student vehicles but IANAL. If school officials can't go randomly rummaging around in an EMZT's vehicle then they wouldn't have found the knife

Okay, so how about the EMT's parked their vehicle on school grounds while not responding to a call, they would be committing a crime?

There are numerous possible variations based on state and local laws\ordinances but surely you must realize that there may be certain exceptions like the following that would apply to EMTs but not the student:
-Its allowed for official vehicles
-Its allowed for official EMTs (Person in question was only a trainee)
-Its legal if they notify the school before hand

 

[alzan]

I remember when carrying a pocket knife in school was no big deal. Especially if you were taking wood working class. Just do not take the knife out in school. There were a few times when boys had their knife out cleaning under their finger nails, or cutting on a stick, teacher walk by, say put your knife away, no big deal.

Society is turning boys into sissies.

How can we take pocket knives away from boys, or expel them from school for having a knife, but expect those same boys to fight in wars? How can be train our boys that violence is bad, but expect those same boys to kill the enemy when they are grown?

Boys will be boys. They need to have a knife, they need to own a gun, they need to fight and learn to settle their differences without shooting each other. Because those boys will be our future leaders, soldiers and law makers.

Do you want a bunch of sissies fighting the next war, or do you want men? Boys and sissies do not win wars, blood thirsty men do.

Did your dick get hard as you were writing that?

Not sure I understand. What if there were an emergency and real EMTs had to go to the school while carrying knives among their equipment. Would they be charged with " illegal conveyance of a weapon onto a school ground"?

Don't forget, EMT's carry needles as well. Horrors!!!

 

[shortylickens]

Did your dick get hard as you were writing that?

mine did as I was reading it.

Of course I have porn running in another tab.

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh yeah, we just love them convicts. It's real easy to get in and stay in the Army, especially when the president is trying to draw us down to like 5 dudes.

5 dudes and a handbag.

 

[OutHouse]

how many knives are there in woodshop or the home economics or bio lab?

 

[OutHouse]

Boys and sissies do not win wars, blood thirsty men do.

when did you graduate from West Point?

 

[Agent11]

What do the student rules of conduct have to do with being charged with a crime?

Okay, so how about the EMT's parked their vehicle on school grounds while not responding to a call, they would be committing a crime? Maybe there is a distinction recognized by the law that would prevent that, but being charged with a crime for having a small knife in your parked car is silly.

We are turning into an Orwellian society on many levels. This does not surprise me at all.

 

[Leymenaide]

I remember when carrying a pocket knife in school was no big deal. Especially if you were taking wood working class. Just do not take the knife out in school. There were a few times when boys had their knife out cleaning under their finger nails, or cutting on a stick, teacher walk by, say put your knife away, no big deal.

Society is turning boys into sissies.

How can we take pocket knives away from boys, or expel them from school for having a knife, but expect those same boys to fight in wars? How can be train our boys that violence is bad, but expect those same boys to kill the enemy when they are grown?

Boys will be boys. They need to have a knife, they need to own a gun, they need to fight and learn to settle their differences without shooting each other. Because those boys will be our future leaders, soldiers and law makers.

Do you want a bunch of sissies fighting the next war, or do you want men? Boys and sissies do not win wars, blood thirsty men do.

I have had a knife in my pocked since 2nd grade. I am 60. I never used a pencil sharpener. Teachers would even borrow it.

 

[irishScott]

So we're all in agreement that this is fucking stupid. Good.

 

[her209]

Couple of facts were wrong or omitted in that Fox News article. The student had two airsoft pistols, not one. And he also had a stun gun. The pocketknife was four inches. And the PD are the ones charging him with a felony, not the school.

 

[Anubis]

Couple of facts were wrong or omitted in that Fox News article. The student had two airsoft pistols, not one. And he also had a stun gun. The pocketknife was four inches. And the PD are the ones charging him with a felony, not the school.

felony for what

 

[Agent11]

I wonder if the law he broke was put in place as a feel good measure after a nationally televised school shooting.

 

[irishScott]

felony for what

Unlicensed weapon in a school zone probably. Still stupid, but the law's like that in many states.

 

[boomerang]

Couple of facts were wrong or omitted in that Fox News article. The student had two airsoft pistols, not one. And he also had a stun gun. The pocketknife was four inches. And the PD are the ones charging him with a felony, not the school.

And your source of information is...?

Where are you seeing that the school is charging him with a felony? Besides that making no sense, (the school can't charge him with a felony only the legal system can) I don't see any mention of that in the Fox link.

 

[Anubis]

Unlicensed weapon in a school zone probably. Still stupid, but the law's like that in many states.

so if i drive through a school zone with a knife in my car im commiting a felony now?

 

[irishScott]

so if i drive through a school zone with a knife in my car im commiting a felony now?

In Delaware you're not allowed to have a gun within 1000 ft of a public school zone unless you have a CCW. Which is absolutely retarded, as there are houses well within 1000 ft of most schools. It doesn't get enforced a lot.

But yeah if you picked up your kid at a kiss-and-ride but had anything legally considered a "weapon" (in many states, a folding knife with 3" or longer blade length) then yeah you could technically be a felon depending on the state.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Why am I not surprised by this?? School boards and administrators of schools have gone braindead and can't think for themselves any more. Hell why don't they sentence the kid to juvenile detention until he's 18 and then toss him out on the streets to fend for himself?


I carried a pen knife my father gave me for my 12th birthday throughout the remainder of elementary and high school. Many of us had high powered rifles, shotguns, and hunting knifes in our cars on school property during deer hunting season. There was never a problem.

 

[boomerang]

Liberals create these types of policies when nobody is willing to keep them in check.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I am not defending this expulsion, which I think is bogus, but the thread title is misleading. I'd have to think the school had more of a problem with the airsoft gun (which could be mistaken for a real gun) than with a first responder's pocketknife.

 

[Jaskalas]

I am not defending this expulsion, which I think is bogus, but the thread title is misleading. I'd have to think the school had more of a problem with the airsoft gun (which could be mistaken for a real gun) than with a first responder's pocketknife.

Not according to the report. Fox says school officials say they got a problem with the knife.

School officials told FoxNews.com that possession of the pocket knife was a violation of the school’s zero tolerance policy for bringing weapons on campus

 

[smackababy]

Not according to the report. Fox says school officials say they got a problem with the knife.

And I am sure the stun gun and both air soft guns are also against the schools policy. If I 'reached out for comments' and asked if a pen knife was against their policy, I'm sure they would answer in the affirmative as well.

Must we really debate whether FoxNews intentionally put only one (the least "offensive") of the illegal items in the headline? Yes, the knife was in his first responder kit and it is considered a weapon; so are the other 3 items found in his car. Should we ignore the kilo of cocaine in the trunk of someone's car because it is questionable whether the roach found in their ashtray should be part of their indictment?

 

[Agent11]

How you chose a kilo of cocaine and a roach to be analogous to harmless items most children own but are not allowed to bring to school is baffling.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

The law in this case is total bs. Banning weapons, however you define them, will never stop anyone bent on doing bodily harm or, mass distruction within our schools period. The idea that the risk management types champion, that doing so will reduce litigation is likewise suspect.

When I was in school, roughly 80% carried knives (trusty boy scout knife) and juniors and seniors were eligible to participate in range safety classes for which we brought our firearms to school and left them in our lockers. There was also archery class after school and we made recurved bows in wood shop. NO ONE EVER GOT SHOT either accidentally or on purpose.

It comes down to administrators yielding to whining parents, risk managers trying to justify their jobs, idiot judges for even hearing half of the school litigation cases and, finally, too many parents and students refusing to take responsibility for their lives.