High school senior jailed and expelled because of First Responder pocket knife

[dmcowen674]

3-18-2014

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/1...-may-lose-army-dream-because/?intcmp=trending

High school senior jailed, kicked out of school and may lose Army dream because of pocket knife in car


An Ohio high school student has already been jailed and kicked out of school for having a pocket knife in his car, and now he fears he could lose his dream of serving in the Army.


Jordan Wiser, a student at Ashtabula County Technical School in Jefferson, is finishing up his senior year from home after school officials searched his car in December and found the folding knife and an Airsoft gun. School officials called police, who charged him with illegal conveyance of a weapon onto a school ground based on the three-inch knife.


Wiser, an EMT trainee who hopes to become both a police officer and a soldier, spent 13 days in the Ashtabula County Jail following the incident.



The knife, which Wiser said is part of his first responder's kit and can be used for slicing an accident victim's seatbelt, was found tucked inside his EMT medical vest in the trunk of the car.



The Airsoft gun, which fires non-lethal pellets, was not illegal and was used by Wiser in a shooting club he belongs to, he said.

 

[dmcowen674]

More zero tolerance, zero common sense bullshit.

Lets make all First Responder kits illegal.

Idiots.

 

[TheVrolok]

Thank God someone is attempting to stop this psychopath.

 

[alzan]

School officials are asshats; zero tolerance = zero intelligence.

Kid needs to have his record expunged.

 

[Exterous]

More zero tolerance, zero common sense bullshit.

School officials are asshats; zero tolerance = zero intelligence.

Is it? The more parental lawsuits I see the more I can see the school's side of things.

Downside if he is arrested for the school:
-bad publicity

But - if the outcry is big enough the school might be able to reverse the situation and if anything bad comes from it they can blame the pressure that was applied instead of having to take the blame themselves. Its unlikely anyone would lose their job over this instance

Downside if they don't do anything and he or someone who gets the knife hurts someone:
-A fuck ton of money spent on litigation\settlements
-Lots of people lose their jobs

IMO its the unreasonable expectations and constant lawsuits that have forced the schools into this position as its the best way to protect the school from repercussions and their jobs

 

[PottedMeat]

School officials told FoxNews.com that possession of the pocket knife was a violation of the school’s zero tolerance policy for bringing weapons on campus and that based on a message he posted on an online forum, they had probable cause to search Wiser and his car.

this is why you make at least basic precautions separating your online identity from your real life


i'm assuming some classmate didn't like this kid and ratted him out anonymously - and that school officals aren't following students around online (which would be pretty fucked up)

 

[norseamd]

Is it? The more parental lawsuits I see the more I can see the school's side of things.

Downside if he is arrested for the school:
-bad publicity

But - if the outcry is big enough the school might be able to reverse the situation and if anything bad comes from it they can blame the pressure that was applied instead of having to take the blame themselves. Its unlikely anyone would lose their job over this instance

Downside if they don't do anything and he or someone who gets the knife hurts someone:
-A fuck ton of money spent on litigation\settlements
-Lots of people lose their jobs

IMO its the unreasonable expectations and constant lawsuits that have forced the schools into this position as its the best way to protect the school from repercussions and their jobs

there is nothing honorable or right about the school decision

 

[z1ggy]

Blows for that kid. I don't think it's fair because he didn't seem to be intending to do harm, but if the school policies clearly state no knives of anykind on school campus, he did technically break their rules of conduct. Stupid...But it is what it is.

Hopefully this doesn't change his future for the worse.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Gangster.

 

[Exterous]

there is nothing honorable or right about the school decision

Since when are school decisions about honor anymore? They are about making the 'right' decision to protect them from lawsuits, complaints of unequal treatment while expending the least amount of money.

You can make a legitimate case that he has a valid reason to have a knife but the school then has to spend time and energy (and therefore almost certainly money) responding to all the idiots that then come forward complaining how Jordan could bring a knife onto school property.

And - if its known that Jordan brings a knife to school - what if someone got a hold of the knife and hurt themselves or someone else with it. I can guarantee you the headlines would scream "Schools knew about knife but did nothing!" and the lawsuits would follow. They might be dismissed but likely at the cost of a great deal of time and money

The legal system is not fast or cheap and is extremely fickle so the best way to win is to not play at all and blind adherence to broad CYA policies is the best way to do that. If you don't like it blame the lawsuit happy parents and the expensive legal system we created that is prone to large settlements based on flimsy circumstances.

 

[Knowing]

At my first high school the students would have shotguns in their trucks. More than a couple of students would take a week off during deer season. The closest thing we had to an incident was a kid with behavior problems shooting a mirror in the bathroom with a pellet gun.

Zero tolerance in all cases removes human discretion from the equation, and for what purpose?

 

[Texashiker]

I remember when carrying a pocket knife in school was no big deal. Especially if you were taking wood working class. Just do not take the knife out in school. There were a few times when boys had their knife out cleaning under their finger nails, or cutting on a stick, teacher walk by, say put your knife away, no big deal.

Society is turning boys into sissies.

How can we take pocket knives away from boys, or expel them from school for having a knife, but expect those same boys to fight in wars? How can be train our boys that violence is bad, but expect those same boys to kill the enemy when they are grown?

Boys will be boys. They need to have a knife, they need to own a gun, they need to fight and learn to settle their differences without shooting each other. Because those boys will be our future leaders, soldiers and law makers.

Do you want a bunch of sissies fighting the next war, or do you want men? Boys and sissies do not win wars, blood thirsty men do.

 

[norseamd]

I remember when carrying a pocket knife in school was no big deal. Especially if you were taking wood working class. Just do not take the knife out in school. There were a few times when boys had their knife out cleaning under their finger nails, or cutting on a stick, teacher walk by, say put your knife away, no big deal.

Society is turning boys into sissies.

How can we take pocket knives away from boys, or expel them from school for having a knife, but expect those same boys to fight in wars? How can be train our boys that violence is bad, but expect those same boys to kill the enemy when they are grown?

Boys will be boys. They need to have a knife, they need to own a gun, they need to fight and learn to settle their differences without shooting each other. Because those boys will be our future leaders, soldiers and law makers.

Do you want a bunch of sissies fighting the next war, or do you want men? Boys and sissies do not win wars, blood thirsty men do.

wihtout getting into your arguement this is about far less. not only that it was left in the car where it was intended for use that he might come acroos while driving and he likely thought that leaving it in the car was not bringing it on the premises.

 

[Texashiker]

wihtout getting into your arguement this is about far less.

About far less?

Our society is in a state of decay. How much "less" do you want to get?

 

[bshole]

Since when are school decisions about honor anymore? They are about making the 'right' decision to protect them from lawsuits, complaints of unequal treatment while expending the least amount of money.

In other words, treating the taxpayer's money with respect and doing everything in their power to ensure that it is not wasted. As a taxpayer, I have no problems whatsoever with it. The asshats are the parents whose kids get the free education and then turn around and sue because they are unhappy with their kid's free education. The schools are only doing what I as taxpayer want them to do, MINIMIZING the amount of money I have to spend educating the children of freeloaders.

 

[norseamd]

About far less? Our society is in a state of decay. How much "less" do you want to get?

all i am saying is that what this is based off is chickenshit. he never even brought it into the school

 

[boomerang]

Zero Tolerance, Evil Objects, and the Psychosis of the Left

I would very much like to quote the whole article, but attention spans are typically short.

Indeed, in the example of guns, they expressly believe that some firearms possess quantifiably greater evil than others, depending entirely on their appearance, despite being lifeless objects. An equivalent belief would be that a paring knife is certainly evil, but a carving knife is purely demonic. To a rational person, such an unhinged thought process more than merely hints at lunacy. Inanimate objects do not possess inherent evil. It can’t be built in, absorbed or grown inside a gun. In fact, the only things on Earth that have that ability are people. And yet, despite living in a world defined by reality, evidence, facts, logic and physics, progressives deny all truths that conflict with their beliefs. They practice pure, unadulterated anti-intellectualism. They have substituted magic and mythology for truth.

The progressives’ ideation of guns fully crosses over into the talismanic realm. At the capacity of their reasoning on this issue, they believe that not just a gun but even a picture of a gun, or a shirt referencing a gun, or fingers that clearly are not a gun, or a Pop-Tart bitten into the shape of a gun is possessed of actual evil, and that all of these exercise a remarkable, powerful influence on human feelings and action. If not, why else “control” them? They believe these objects or images emanate a force they cannot see or feel, but one they are absolutely convinced is there and magically affects others, if only their philosophical and political opponents on a range of similarly divergent beliefs. Progressives personify the gun by attributing to it human evil. What they believe is so ludicrous as to be, quite literally, insane: each gun, even the idea of a gun, must be “controlled” or it will do harm.

As we have seen when behavior is unmoored from reality, the fears are indulged and the voices appeased by irrational action. Just as the mentally affected attacker is so disconnected from reality that he believes his actions to be justified no matter the innocence of the harmed, the progressive believes that all harm he or she does in the name of conquering these inanimate objects is necessary. It is a self-serving release of their emotions into concrete action, and by asserting even defective control, they believe they are defeating what is evil within their limited ability to understand. It matters not that there is no actual connection between belief and reality. It only matters what they believe. Truth and evidence, once valued commodities, are now derided as the deceptive tools of modern day “deniers”.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Not sure I understand. What if there were an emergency and real EMTs had to go to the school while carrying knives among their equipment. Would they be charged with " illegal conveyance of a weapon onto a school ground"?

 

[SaurusX]

Not sure I understand. What if there were an emergency and real EMTs had to go to the school while carrying knives among their equipment. Would they be charged with " illegal conveyance of a weapon onto a school ground"?

Your mistake is believing that logic is at work in these situations.

 

[Sonikku]

The good news is his dream isn't lost. The army will take anybody. Even convicts.

 

[master_shake_]

just goes to show you, being able to help people is an arrestable offense...

a 3 inch knife wow....

amazing that he was in jail for 13 days...

 

[Dannar26]

The good news is his dream isn't lost. The army will take anybody. Even convicts.

Oh yeah, we just love them convicts. It's real easy to get in and stay in the Army, especially when the president is trying to draw us down to like 5 dudes.

Toolbag.

 

[Exterous]

Not sure I understand. What if there were an emergency and real EMTs had to go to the school while carrying knives among their equipment. Would they be charged with " illegal conveyance of a weapon onto a school ground"?

Are these EMT's parking their vehicles on school property when they are not working or responding to a call? Are they also students and therefore subject to the student rules of conduct? If not then your question seems like an illogical leap as there are obviously significant differences between what happened and what you wonder about

Your mistake is believing that logic is at work in these situations.

How is that - logically - a similar scenario?

 

[Mai72]

My kids in South Korea would bring in knives so they could sharpen their pencils. Then again, they haven't gone through the school shootings that we have had to endure over the past 20 years.

 

[smackababy]

Blows for that kid. I don't think it's fair because he didn't seem to be intending to do harm, but if the school policies clearly state no knives of anykind on school campus, he did technically break their rules of conduct. Stupid...But it is what it is.

Hopefully this doesn't change his future for the worse.

This.

The good news is his dream isn't lost. The army will take anybody. Even convicts.

And this! There is a waiver for everything. Felon waiver; blind waiver; weight waiver; age waiver; father is a terrorist waiver.