High pitch whine coming from the 8800 GTX

[Gstanfor]

You trying to claim that the 7800/7900 cards are not based on the same design is laughable, really

G70 and G71 are two different chips with two different dies sizes (not to mention that G70 is 110nm & G71 is 90 nm), at the very least the die pinouts will differ (more spacing possible on g70), power regulation and chip voltages will also differ, even the layout of the traces to memory chips will differ (different memory chip timings mean different trace lengths need to be used - this also applies to 7900 GT vs 7900 GTX).

 

[josh6079]

For the love of God Gstanfor, shutup already. Don't be so afraid to think that nVidia had a similar problem with the 7900 GTX's: 7900 GTX high-pitched noise

Originally posted by: NightCrawler@XS[/i]
I was doing some testing today with my XFX 7900GTX and noticed something during a temp test with ATiTool..
On 2D mode all is well but as soon as I hit the artifact scanner and even more clear when you just hit the Show 3D view there's this high pitched noise coming out of the back of the card where the volt regulator is located.

I had my case open and have a very silent system and it spotted my attention immediately... Although for some you might need to listen up close..
I know nothing about electronics but it sounds like some sort of interference of some sort... maybe a capacitator or something..

Can you verify if the same noise comes from your card...?

 

[Gstanfor]

It'll take more than one result to turn it into a "similar problem" (the X1900 problem was very widespread), especially when the only link you can dredge up concerns XFX cards (hardly a paragon of manufacturing quality - also used to make "Jaton" branded video cards).

 

[josh6079]

It'll take more than one result to turn it into a "similar problem"

:roll:

Read the entire link and you would have seen just a few already:

Originally posted by: dinges@XS[/i]
hmm nice find, i got the same noise from my card (7900gtx) when its switching 2d/3d in between 3dmark tests. ill try putting a heatsink on that chip tonight, see if that helps the card..

Originally posted by: jcniest5@XS(has an EVGA 7900 GTX in sig)[/i]
You are just thinking about putting a HS on? I did it at an instant when I first read about it and felt the IC with my finger and it was like "Ouch!" That was it, HS on! I dunno, I guess this is why my card never has a single hiccup since I have it (from a Step Up). A lot of people are complaining about this problem, yet no one seems to take the time to put a heatsink on this particularly "HOT" IC. Having read so many users having this problem, if I were to get a new card, the first thing after I have taken out the card is to put a heatsink on this special IC.

Originally posted by: twisted5@XS(7900 GTX SLi in sig)
Hmmm I have been wondering wtf that noise was for awhile now. That concerns me a little bit.

If you read that thread (very useful Joker, talks a lot about nVidia's caps for a wide range of cards) you'd see that the problem has existed in many of their models. Yes, some more than others, but to say that it "never" had that problem when it did is just your bias talking.

Apparently it's been a problem ever since the 6800's and seems to still be going on. Within that thread I linked, NightCrawler also posted a link talking about the Black Screen problem a lot of prior nVidia models had (Gainward predominantly) and how the cap problems causing some Black Screens were the result of a high-pitched symptom:

Originally posted by: NightCrawler@XS[/i]
OMFG! http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&page=1&pp=25

Do the 7900 cards have the same capacitor issue....?

2.3 Listening noisy audio

This method sounds quite wierd, but the more I have been playing with this problem the more sure I am that mysterius sound/audio generated by 6800le-card is related to BS-problem. In order to test whether you have encounter this issue see chapter 5.4 for details. I considered that noisy audio is generated by oscillating switching regulator, and having such case makes the card more vulnerable to rapid deterioration of filtering capacitors (=could finally lead to BS). Therefore, I suggest detecting 'noisy audio' is warning signal: the card is going to give BS some day !

That's the noise I was talking about..!

All I'm saying is that it seems to happen to both vendors for whatever reason. EVGA themselves have came foward addressing that that it was a common problem - albeit mostly for 7900 GT's it looks like - but the fact remains is that some 7900 GTX's had similar symptoms as well:

Originally posted by: NickS@XS
From eVGA Forums:



You need to sink both of those.

Thread: http://www.evga.com/community/messag...TOPIC_ID=14558

Nick

Once again, this information does nothing but show how nVidia has had a history with this issue and it seems to be happening again with the 8800's. The fact that it may or may not have been as prevalent with the 7900 GTX's is moot, the point is that it existed. You wanting to one-up Ackmed about a card's condition irrelevant to this thread isn't going to reverse that.

 

[Gstanfor]

Josh, your links concern evga cards and xfx cards, I have said repeatedly in this forum that these two manufacturers have lower manufacturing standards than most of nvidia's other partners (why people purchase their cards I'll never know).

The black screen problem was gainward specific, and related to nv20 and nv25. I believe its why they fell out of favor in North America. Gainward was also owned by a different parent company at the time. Current Gainward products do not suffer black screen issues, capacitor issues or whining fan issues.

 

[josh6079]

Josh, your links concern evga cards and xfx cards...

There's also several member's within that link who stated they have that issue as well, and they didn't tell us what brand they had. They simply stated, "7900 GTX" in their sigs. Who's to say it isn't a different brand?

You keep back peddling and redefining what you want as evidence for the high-pitched noise problem. Your first claim was that:

It was r580 that had capacitor whine issues, not g71

Then it was proven that the G71's did have that symptom (very prominent in the 7900 GT's - which is a G71), as well as some of the G70's. In fact, I've previously linked how this high-pitched sound can be traced back to the 6800's even.

Then you claim that:

Your memory is as faulty as ever. Not one of those links mentions a 7900GTX.

Is the 7900 GTX the only G71? Regardless, I did some research, very minimal I might add, and discovered that there were 7900 GTX's that had that problem.

However, you ignored a great deal of the link I gave and claimed that that was merely one incident with a manufacturer you don't approve of. So I held your hand one more time and linked information from other sources indicating that it was more than one incident on more than just XFX cards. Now you're attempting to make the filter finer in an attempt to downplay an issue you once claimed to be non-existent.

:roll:

...I have said repeatedly in this forum that these two manufacturers have lower manufacturing standards than most of nvidia's other partners (why people purchase their cards I'll never know).

EVGA and XFX both have had a good recent history with providing the fastest performing cards for nVidia. Of the 8800's alone, Anandtech shows the XFX and EVGA versions to be outperforming the other manufacturers:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2945&p=8
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2945&p=9

Originally posted by: Derek Wilson
While all of the factory overclocked NVIDIA cards managed to offer more value than stock hardware, some will provide more use for certain users than others. For those who want the highest out-of-box performance out there EVGA's E-GeForce 8800 ACS3 is the cream of the crop.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2873&p=6

Originally posted by: Josh Venning
We found the EVGA e-GeForce 8800 GTX and the MSI GeForce NX8800 GTX got the highest overclocks of the group and saw some impressive gains in performance because of this.

The EVGA GeForce 8800 GTX w/ ACS3 seems to do a pretty good job keeping heat down, resulting in the highest overclock of the roundup, and there weren't any problems with excess noise with this card.

Besides, why should the manufacturer matter when you say there isn't such a problem to begin with? A lot of people purchase EVGA and XFX both, more so EVGA I suspect because of their awesome customer service, solid warranties, step-up program, and because they make some of the best performing nVidia parts on the market.

Yes, the high-pitched wine has happened to the G71's. Yes, the high-pitched wine has happened to the X1900's. Yes, the high-pitched wine is happening to the 8800's. These are simple facts. You've tripped over your own words in an attempt to downplay the issue that once didn't even exist by your standards. It's okay, it's happens to you a lot, you should be used to it, now let's move on with it as this discussion isn't even about the G71's or the X1900's.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Josh, your links concern evga cards and xfx cards, I have said repeatedly in this forum that these two manufacturers have lower manufacturing standards than most of nvidia's other partners (why people purchase their cards I'll never know).

The black screen problem was gainward specific, and related to nv20 and nv25. I believe its why they fell out of favor in North America. Gainward was also owned by a different parent company at the time. Current Gainward products do not suffer black screen issues, capacitor issues or whining fan issues.

You simply cannot downplay a problem that exists for two of nVidia's more popular AIB partners. Since eVGA is the number one selling brand for nVidia in the US, you'd think nVidia would take notice of shoddy QC and advise eVGA to get their act together.

I'm receiving a third eVGA 8800 GTX today from Newegg (the guy there is awesome, he overnighted it to me) so I'll report back if this one has a whine to it or not.

 

[5150Joker]

Update: Got the RMA from Newegg today (awesome service) and the new card has the same whining to it but its barely audible unlike the last two cards. So as long as games run good now I'm happy to finally get a card that doesn't make as much noise as my speakers.