High end PC advice

Bobthelost

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High end, NOT top end, let's get that sorted here and now :D

I've been browsing around this place for a while but never needed advice untill now, so here i am...

With christmas coming up and a grand + change (£) burning a hole in my bank account it's time to retire this machine to the electronic graveyard. The budget is around £1k excluding hard drives (to be upgraded later). It must be dual core, and the emphasis is on it's ability to crunch numbers rather than run games at silly fps.
I like multitasking, hence the X2 CPU (intel isn't an option), i will be able to use it for a notable amount of time and do some rather CPU heavy work every now and again, (backing up DVD collection etc.). Games wise it must run everything made for PCs but i don't want SLI, although if it's worth it for other reasons an SLI board is acceptable.

Projected specs:

4400 x2 ~£350
Reason: Faster than ****** off a shovel and with a little overclock as fast as a 4800.

Mobo ~£100: To be decided, although both the A8R MVP and A8N32 are in the running.

RAM ~£100-£200: 1-2Gig of RAM, make undetermined as of yet as is quantity, must be fast.

PSU ~£50-100: Up for discussion, not a passive PSU, must have in order of importance: Stable voltage lines under load, high efficency rating (personal bugbear), low noise rating (from SPCR not manufacturer specs, which are utter ****** 99% of the time).

G Card ~£300: Probably be a 256mb 7800GT(X?), that should make any game on the market fall to it's knees and worship me. This will stretch the budget a bit but why not?

Total cost ~£900 - £1050

May well get myself a new case for it ~£100, (P180 or a coolermaster stacker are the favourites at the moment) and then when i feel like it the hard drives will probably be No.1= RaptorI I(III if i wait that long) as boot disc, No.2 = Random 250-300Gig HD for files and No.3 = 300Gig for a daily/incrimental backup. But for the mean time i'll just use my old ones or pray that santa gives me a Deskstar 7k500.

It will be overclocked as you might have guessed, this is one of the primary reasons for the choice of potential mobos, but it should also be able to run quietly under minimal load, (coolnquiet might help there although i've been told that you can't use it and have overclocking).

What parts do you lot advise, and where should i go for a good deal on them (UK/EU only)? Also how much would it cost to buy a machine of similar specs off the shelf?

I've stuck this up on my normal chat board www.U75.net (<-- Shameless plug :D)but as i'm at the techie end of the population i thought i'd stick it up here where i can get some advice from those in the know.
 

phaxmohdem

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I like what you've got going for that system. If I had the money I'd definately invest in the ASUS A8N32-SLI Mobo, especially if you want to overclock a tad. You could optionally get a 3800+ processor and OC it or if by the grace of God find an Opteron 165 or 170 I'd buy that and OC it to 4800+ speeds or above.

As for PSU, I'm a big fan of the Antec Truepower line. a TruePower II 480W and above should fit your bill quite nicely. IF you are interested in SLI at all I'd opt for at least the 550W model to be on the safe side.

Nice rig though regardless... Just some advice, don't go cheap on the PSU, and don't go cheap on the MOBO. They WILL bite you in the a$$.
 

Bobthelost

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Yeah, i blew up a cheap PSU once, thankfully nothing else suffered in the process but once was enough on that side.

While i don't mind OCing and i would get a little (ok, a LOT) of pleasure in overclocking a 3800 to 4800 speeds i've got the cash to go for a 4400 and it's got the 2mb cache which should make a little difference at least in performance.

I looked at opterons, but finding a 170/175 is a nightmare in the UK market and i gave up. May well consider it if you lot think it's worth the attention.

The mobo is something i'm not sure on yet. That and the RAM and GPU are the big things i need your help on. Problem is that the A8N32 is only availible on pre-order as far as i can see in the UK.
 

t3h l337 n3wb

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You don't really need "fast" RAM, since the integrated memory controller makes it so RAM with lower latencies barely gives you a performance incrase. For the PSU, definitely get a Seasonic if you want efficiency and quietness.
 

jettim76

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Good choice.

I am in a process of building a similar specs PC at the moment, and already got RAM, PSU, case CPU heatsink and fan.
Here is the list
Case - Coolermaster Praetorian RC-732 (stunning looking case and extremely well built).
RAM - 2Gb OCZ PC-4000 Gold edition
PSU - Seasonic S12 600W
Thermalright SI-120 + Nexus 120mm fan
Now, I've got those parts first, because I know that the prices on them don't drop as rapidly as on say CPU or a graphics card.

Next on the list are A8N32-SL, X2 4400 and 7800GTX extreme or wait a bit more and get a 512Mb version of the same card.

Good luck . :)
 

Bobthelost

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The 7800GTX 512 would be half my budget at the moment, and while i do like games i just don't NEED it. After reading up the GT looks like my best bet, it's ~£100 cheaper than the GTX and the difference in performance isn't all that great. (Oh, and it can run almost any game at 1240x1028 with all the effects turned on at 60fps, i don't need any more than that!)

The seasonic is a nice PSU it will be on my shortlist although i think i looked for it a while back and it was at silly prices in the UK.

t3h l337 n3wb: I don't doubt you're right on fast RAM, but do you have a link to some information about that so i can read up on it a bit?

The CPU cooler will probably be a xp-120 although it's still up in the air.
 

t3h l337 n3wb

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Here you go:

ExtremeTech

Anandtech

The jump from CAS 3.0 to 2.0 on the ExtremeTech page only improved performance by like 2%, so the jump from CAS 2.5 to 2.0 would be even less. That doesn't really justify the cost of premium RAM. On the Anadtech review, overclocking such expensive RAM as the OCZ Gold sticks to over 540mhz only yielded a ~5FPS increase in Wolfenstein, so it's definitely not worth the extra price.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Nice rig


As posted above ramspeed provides almost zero performance on A64's and latency only provides a percent or two. As long as its stable guantity>guality in this case, get 2gb if you can
 

Bobthelost

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Thanks for the links, unfortunatly i've got work now but i'll read em and then get back to you lot on what i'm thinking of buying.
 

Bobthelost

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Right, been giving this place a thorough read, the RAM i'm looking at is OCZ platinum (2 Gig), and i'm thinking of using the DFI ultra D or SLI boards, i can get hold of them now rather than wait for the A8N32 or A8R MVN which are next to impossible to find anywhere in the UK.

PSU will probably be a 600W Seasonic, there's a sale on them at overclockers.co.uk so they cost £5 more than the 500W which is what i want. Having said all of that, i'm going to try and find out how long i'd have to wait to get the A8N32 before i decide.