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Captante

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I believe the idea is simply to eat foods that do not stimulate the release of insulin in a significant manner. So green veggies work but whole grains are not good for the OP's health situation.

I also have always been really questioning of the "cleansing" function of fiber; I believe the main potential benefit is feeding the better bacteria in the gut.

IMO, I think there is something to be gained by achieving a fast of approximately over 36 hours, because the body will have passed through the "struggle phase" and enter a state where glucagon takes the lead in energy production for cells. Only pulled it off once in my life though...I really lack willpower.


You and @igor_kavinski should get together and share your "sage" dietary advice lol... I'll stick with my MD's and nutritionist's advice instead thanks.

;)

Btw dibs on both your stuff! :p
 
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You and @igor_kavinski should get together and share your "sage" dietary advice lol... I'll stick with my MD's and nutritionist's advice instead thanks.
Your MD/nutritionist advice is doing the same thing as ours, except in a different way. All that grass/leafy greens/wholegrains will keep the gut full but they will digest really slowly. During that time, the body is literally starving for nutrients so it will start the self repair mechanisms that accompany starvation.
 

Captante

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Your MD/nutritionist advice is doing the same thing as ours, except in a different way. All that grass/leafy greens/wholegrains will keep the gut full but they will digest really slowly. During that time, the body is literally starving for nutrients so it will start the self repair mechanisms that accompany starvation.


Maybe if that's all you eat lol... I get PLENTY of protein and vitamins from a balanced diet which is why I'm getting healthier every day. (not worse)

Additionally I crap every day like clockwork and fiber/veggies are 100% why. (along with sufficient hydration)

NOTHING that I eat "digests really slowly" (except anything deep-fried!) .... and further that is NOT "healthy" unless your goal is intestinal problems and increased cancer risk.
 

nakedfrog

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Your MD/nutritionist advice is doing the same thing as ours, except in a different way. All that grass/leafy greens/wholegrains will keep the gut full but they will digest really slowly. During that time, the body is literally starving for nutrients so it will start the self repair mechanisms that accompany starvation.
Or, hear me out, maybe his MD/nutritionist's advice is actually based on his body's actual needs and his lifestyle, not "here's this one weird trick doctors won't tell you about swallowing dozens of angry live bees!"
 

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Your MD/nutritionist advice is doing the same thing as ours, except in a different way. All that grass/leafy greens/wholegrains will keep the gut full but they will digest really slowly. During that time, the body is literally starving for nutrients so it will start the self repair mechanisms that accompany starvation.
You're concerned about starving for nutrients while also advocating for eating literally a diet of only avocado and a single whole egg?!

LMAO
 
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You and @igor_kavinski should get together and share your "sage" dietary advice lol... I'll stick with my MD's and nutritionist's advice instead thanks.

;)

Btw dibs on both your stuff! :p
It is per quod argument that insulin and ceasing its release for a sufficient period is what is necessary for fat catabolism. It also avoids activating the mTOR pathway.
 

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If you're worried about mtor, you should probably be taking a rapamycin analog like fisetin. There's another popular made from the Japanese wax tree but that contains toxins. In theory, those should be purged during manufacture, but I don't trust many of the supplement maker.
 
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Captante

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If you're worried about mtor, you should probably be taking a rapamycin analog like fisetin. There's another popular made from the Japanese wax tree but that contains toxins. In theory, those should be purged during manufacture, but I don't trust many of the supplement maker.


Don't confuse him with accurate information. ;)
 
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sdifox

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Probably comes from Chinese. Every thing they soak in hot water is called tea. For example, longan tea is actually made with dried longan fruit meat. You boil it in water, add a bit of salt and drink it, while also eating the fruit bits.

You can buy a myriad of dry flowers/ fruits that get called tea. Chrythanthamon and rose are probably the most notable ones.

Op should just buy a box of Tetley Original and call it a day.
 
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You're concerned about starving for nutrients while also advocating for eating literally a diet of only avocado and a single whole egg?!
You misunderstood me. I meant that veggie diet could hamper timely nutrient absorption which is good as it would trigger the body's starvation response. Of course, he is doing the better approach of also eating a balanced diet with it so most of the nutrients don't stay that long in his intestines for the bacteria to start creating toxins from all that available food.

That's why regular crapping is so important. You want the gut bacteria to have just enough food to munch on and make butyric acid which is fuel for intestinal cells but not so much food that the bad bacteria start thriving and creating toxins to literally kill your kidneys and then puncture through the intestinal walls (which is what those bacteria do when a person dies). That's how they eat/decompose a dead body from the inside out.

I was surprised to read that the largest army of immune cells in our body GUARDS the intestinal walls and keeps those bacteria from killing us. It's crazy that we carry trillions of organisms able to destroy us and actually DEPEND on them for our survival too. Nature is IRONIC.
 
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Assuming a person is regularly drinking 4 cups a day, they would consume about a gallon in about 4 days. So their skeletal fluorosis would be four times slower but it could become an issue if they live past 80.
 

sdifox

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Assuming a person is regularly drinking 4 cups a day, they would consume about a gallon in about 4 days. So their skeletal fluorosis would be four times slower but it could become an issue if they live past 80.

Only instant tea has that much flouride. 4.7 days at 800cc a day to get 3785cc. That is a very different picture than consuming that in a day. And by 80 your bones are brittle, tea or not.
 
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I'm taking Life Extension's Senolytic Activator that contains Fisetin. Three capsules per week. No idea if it is doing anything or even if it is actually Fisetin in those capsules. They are lucky to have me trusting them :)
This is purely anecdotal so pls treat it as such.

I had these 2 "lumps" on the back of one lower leg (calf). I had been taking fisetin (200mg) daily for about 2-3 months. One day, almost subconsciously I felt the need to scratch one of these. When I did, the whole lump popped right off to reveal a hole and blood. It was as if the skin cells that produced the lump of excess skin just quit. So when it fell off, it revealed the next layer down.
edit: same thing happened with the other lump soon after. Maybe a few days or a couple weeks. I'm a shitty judge of time.
 

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Doctor's Best brand?
It seems to be a e no-name brand
So is the skin at that spot totally renewed with no evidence of those lumps (no marks)?
I can't say for certain mainly because looking at the back of one's leg **directly** is not an easy thing to do. But my recollection is that the areas with the lumps could no longer be isolated from the surrounding skin.
 
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This is purely anecdotal so pls treat it as such.

I had these 2 "lumps" on the back of one lower leg (calf). I had been taking fisetin (200mg) daily for about 2-3 months. One day, almost subconsciously I felt the need to scratch one of these. When I did, the whole lump popped right off to reveal a hole and blood. It was as if the skin cells that produced the lump of excess skin just quit. So when it fell off, it revealed the next layer down.
edit: same thing happened with the other lump soon after. Maybe a few days or a couple weeks. I'm a shitty judge of time.
You know, from a layperson's point of view, that sounds fucked up.
 
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Charmonium

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You know, from a layperson's point of view, that sounds fucked up.
I suppose I can see that. And when you see that first hand on your own body your first impulse is like WTFF (what the fucking fuck).

The thing you have to keep in mind tho is that senescent cells cause all sorts of havoc in your body. Inflammation is one I'm reasonably sure about but maybe some other folks here can be more specific. I'm not sure about this, but I have this vague recollection that those cells tend to turn cancerous more frequently than healthy cells that haven't hit their Hayflick limit yet. But those are just 2 things. I think it's a pretty long list. So telling them it's time to mosey on down the road is a very good idea.

You have to remember that while evolution favors longer lives since you have more time to "spawn," your subjective assessment of this life is mostly irrelevant.

People have this idea that somehow, we were "designed" and it's unnatural to try to tweak that design. But it only appears that way because we really can't grasp the type of time scales that evolution works on. A lot of mutations are never even noticed until they provide an evolutionary advantage.

So say you a bunch of different grass cultivars. You provide them all with the same amount of water, but one variety can get by on say 30% of that amount. You would never see that until there was a drought, in which case that cultivar has a very significant survival advantage.
 
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I had been taking fisetin (200mg) daily for about 2-3 months.
You may want to stop.

I just found out why Senolytic Activator has only 3 capsules per week. More than 2500mg of Fisetin per month has been shown to reduce telomere length. You've been taking 6000mg. You are running the risk of stopping your cell division. Please stop!

Give it a rest for a couple of weeks. Then take 6 to 8 capsules per month only.
 
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You may want to stop.

I just found out why Senolytic Activator has only 3 capsules per week. More than 2500mg of Fisetin per month has been shown to reduce telomere length. You've been taking 6000mg. You are running the risk of stopping your cell division. Please stop!

Give it a rest for a couple of weeks. Then take 6 to 8 capsules per month only.
Why would it stop cell division? Anyway, the problem is senescent cells that no longer divide. I'm somewhat fuzzy on the molecular biology but targeting mtor (mechanistic target of rapamycin) seems to be the only way to force those cells to finally die. That allows stem cells to mature and replace them.

I'll try to some research on the point you're making.
 
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I'll try to some research on the point you're making.
High amounts of Fisetin shorten the telomeres faster. That means your cells will not be able to divide after a certain point.

No cell division == no cells for renewal of worn out existing cells == early aging related death.
 
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Chronic fisetin treatment of HF at physiological concentrations resulted in shorter telomeres compared to control cells, indicating reduced telomere stability and enhanced biological aging of these cells.

That's the opposite of what we want.

As they say, too much of a good thing is bad.
 

Charmonium

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@igor_kavinski That research is a little questionable. The length of telomeres does not appear to be fixed. That's why sending in a blood sample to gauge the relative length of those telomeres doesn't really tell you anything. This is why you ALWAYS want to check the reliability of your sources.

 
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