Hezbollah prisoners freed in exchange for dead Israeli soldiers

[ProfJohn]

This story just makes me sick.

Hezbollah crosses the boarder and attacks a group of Israeli soldiers taking two of them captive. Then for TWO years they refuse to allow anyone access to them and allow no news of their fates. Then they negotiate the release of some prisoners and return the bodies to Israel.

Just makes me sick. Every little thing Israel does is looked at with a microscope meanwhile Hezbollah is holding the bodies of two people and refuses to let any information about them out at all.


AP story

 

[Vette73]

I don't see why they did this. If they want to be fair kill the prisoners and then swap bodies.

 

[Jaskalas]

Guess they have learned how to secure more prisoner releases, just kill more Israeli soldiers.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I don't see why they did this. If they want to be fair kill the prisoners and then swap bodies.

Why take terrorists prisoners in the first place? Just shoot them.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This story just makes me sick.

Hezbollah crosses the boarder and attacks a group of Israeli soldiers taking two of them captive. Then for TWO years they refuse to allow anyone access to them and allow no news of their fates. Then they negotiate the release of some prisoners and return the bodies to Israel.

Just makes me sick. Every little thing Israel does is looked at with a microscope meanwhile Hezbollah is holding the bodies of two people and refuses to let any information about them out at all.


AP story

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The ever delusional PJ is somewhat correct, Hezbollah is a group of rascals. What he denies is that the Israeli army is regarded by many to be an equally morally degenerate set of rascals.

And if you get to that point of being open minded, one can see the current Israeli v. Palestinians and Arabs conflict as an infinitely large set of wrong on both sides, and each and every days, both sides stack up more wrongs until it becomes impossible to find anyone who is right. And all sides justify their evil on the fact that the other side is also evil.

At a certain point, one has to say this stupidity leads no where, but one has to be a better person than PJ to realize it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I don't see why they did this. If they want to be fair kill the prisoners and then swap bodies.

At the time, Israel may not have known that their people were dead.

Because they were returned dead (how long, who knows) it may affect future swaps.
Much may determine when and how they died.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This story just makes me sick.

Hezbollah crosses the boarder and attacks a group of Israeli soldiers taking two of them captive. Then for TWO years they refuse to allow anyone access to them and allow no news of their fates. Then they negotiate the release of some prisoners and return the bodies to Israel.

Just makes me sick. Every little thing Israel does is looked at with a microscope meanwhile Hezbollah is holding the bodies of two people and refuses to let any information about them out at all.


AP story

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The ever delusional PJ is somewhat correct, Hezbollah is a group of rascals. What he denies is that the Israeli army is regarded by many to be an equally morally degenerate set of rascals.

And if you get to that point of being open minded, one can see the current Israeli v. Palestinians and Arabs conflict as an infinitely large set of wrong on both sides, and each and every days, both sides stack up more wrongs until it becomes impossible to find anyone who is right. And all sides justify their evil on the fact that the other side is also evil.

At a certain point, one has to say this stupidity leads no where, but one has to be a better person than PJ to realize it.

How friendly.

 

[jpeyton]

Did you guys miss this part?

Israel was also to transfer to Lebanon the remains of 199 Palestinian and Hezbollah fighters exhumed over the past week.

 

[Dari]

Being a state, you have certain rules to abide by if you want to be part of the family of nations. Terrorists get a freer hand cause, well, who the fuck is going to tell them otherwise?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Did you guys miss this part?

Israel was also to transfer to Lebanon the remains of 199 Palestinian and Hezbollah fighters exhumed over the past week.

Did Israel keep the fact that these people were dead a secret?

 

[ElFenix]

where is the arab ghandi or MLK?

 

[libs0n]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
I don't see why they did this. If they want to be fair kill the prisoners and then swap bodies.

At the time, Israel may not have known that their people were dead.

Because they were returned dead (how long, who knows) it may affect future swaps.
Much may determine when and how they died.

Israel concluded that they were dead some time ago, and the exchange was made with that as the working assumption. The IDF Chief Rabbi had already started the process where they declare a soldier dead when the body is missing, although that was put on hold due to the exchange taking place.

They were most likely killed, or suffered lethal injuries, during the operation in which they were captured.

Does Israel still hold any Lebanese prisoners? My assumption is no.

 

[Red Dawn]

One of the terrorist they are releasing is a son of a bitch who murdered a little girl by smashing her head crushing her skull, that after shooting her father in front of her. It's expected that this fucking subhuman animal is going to receive a hero's welcome by Hezbollah upon his release and subsequent return.

What the Israeli's should do is implant a small explosive device in his head set to go off at the sound of cheering

 

[Lemon law]

I am almost positive Hezbollah told Israel that they were dead, no false representation there. I recall reading various links where the parents also knew.

But cheer up, I am sure there are some on the other side disgusted with the deal also. And their only motivation is to kill all Israelis.

 

[RichardE]

They have to take prisoners alive because of all the "everything against Israel, I sympathize with" individuals in the world. I would personally prefer that they kill them when they find since bullets are cheaper, but we have to be humane to people who are not humane to us.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This story just makes me sick.

Hezbollah crosses the boarder and attacks a group of Israeli soldiers taking two of them captive. Then for TWO years they refuse to allow anyone access to them and allow no news of their fates. Then they negotiate the release of some prisoners and return the bodies to Israel.

Just makes me sick. Every little thing Israel does is looked at with a microscope meanwhile Hezbollah is holding the bodies of two people and refuses to let any information about them out at all.


AP story

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The ever delusional PJ is somewhat correct, Hezbollah is a group of rascals. What he denies is that the Israeli army is regarded by many to be an equally morally degenerate set of rascals.

And if you get to that point of being open minded, one can see the current Israeli v. Palestinians and Arabs conflict as an infinitely large set of wrong on both sides, and each and every days, both sides stack up more wrongs until it becomes impossible to find anyone who is right. And all sides justify their evil on the fact that the other side is also evil.

At a certain point, one has to say this stupidity leads no where, but one has to be a better person than PJ to realize it.

How friendly.

How accurate.

LL may backhand the OP but really he is right when he says that all sides in this conflict have made so many moral wrongdoings, so many justifications, that no one side can be considered "Right" or "Justified" and therefore when the OP takes a side (In this case Isreals side) he is really showing a lack of understanding or objectivity that is required to see how this neverending conflict benefits no one side.

In which case the OP deserves to be backhanded...try and show some objectivity...Isreal and Palestine do very bad things to each other.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
One of the terrorist they are releasing is a son of a bitch who murdered a little girl by smashing her head crushing her skull, that after shooting her father in front of her. It's expected that this fucking subhuman animal is going to receive a hero's welcome by Hezbollah upon his release and subsequent return.

What the Israeli's should do is implant a small explosive device in his head set to go off at the sound of cheering

Or you raze the entire area. At what point do we let caution go to the wind when dealing with animals?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
One of the terrorist they are releasing is a son of a bitch who murdered a little girl by smashing her head crushing her skull, that after shooting her father in front of her. It's expected that this fucking subhuman animal is going to receive a hero's welcome by Hezbollah upon his release and subsequent return.

What the Israeli's should do is implant a small explosive device in his head set to go off at the sound of cheering

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What Red Dawn fails to mention is that the fellow in question has already been locked up in Israel for over 30 years for the crime. And the brutality mentioned are just the sensationalized prosecution version that was never proved. The person in question does not deny the girl died, but does deny she died in that way.

 

[jpeyton]

Ummm, guys, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Israel and their enemies are like Coke and Pepsi.

Two groups, almost identical, pitted against each other through the creation of horribly conceived geopolitical borders.

Somehow you think Israel is more humane because they use American-made laser-guided bombs to level a house full of civilians instead of home-made explosives packed into a van? They all have the same blood on their hands.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
One of the terrorist they are releasing is a son of a bitch who murdered a little girl by smashing her head crushing her skull, that after shooting her father in front of her. It's expected that this fucking subhuman animal is going to receive a hero's welcome by Hezbollah upon his release and subsequent return.

What the Israeli's should do is implant a small explosive device in his head set to go off at the sound of cheering

Or you raze the entire area. At what point do we let caution go to the wind when dealing with animals?

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Yup, that is what Israel did to Lebanon, killing totally innocent children in the deliberate process. Some 4000 civilians and very very few were terrorists.

And funny, its the Arab sides that is now convinced the Israelis are animals.

First as humans, we must totally demonise the other side, paint them ALL with the same brush, then any atrocity becomes desirable and possible. Works so well for both sides.

It helps explain why this 60 year old conflict keeps escalating as terrorists technology improves.

 

[Genx87]

Except one is a recognized state. The others organizations based on the destruction of that state. Often funded by other states who cant fight on a battlefield and need a proxy to do their bidding. They are not coke and pepsi.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
where is the arab ghandi or MLK?

It's actually starting to happen. It just can't happen fast enough.

The tide begins to turn: Al-Qaeda founders, militants and sympathizers are publicly denouncing terrorism

This past November, Noman Benotman went public with his own criticism of al-Qaeda in an open letter to Zawahiri, absorbed and well-received, he says, by the jihadist leaders in Tripoli.

In the letter, Benotman recalled his Kandahar warnings and called on al-Qaeda to end all operations in Arab countries and in the West. The citizens of Western countries were blameless and should not be the target of terrorist attacks, argued Benotman, his refined English accent, smart suit, trimmed beard and easygoing demeanour making it hard to imagine that he was once on the front lines in Afghanistan.

Although Benotman's public rebuke of al-Qaeda went unnoticed in the United States and Canada, it received wide attention in the Arabic press. In repudiating al-Qaeda, [ex-leader of the militant Libyan Islamic Fighting Group Noman] Benotman was adding his voice to a rising tide of anger in the Islamic world toward al-Qaeda and its affiliates, whose victims since September 11 have mostly been fellow Muslims.

Significantly, he was also joining a larger group of religious scholars, former fighters and militants who had once had great influence over Al Qaeda's leaders, and who -- alarmed by the targeting of civilians in the West, the senseless killings in Muslim countries and al-Qaeda's barbaric tactics in Iraq --have turned against the organization, many just in the past year.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
One of the terrorist they are releasing is a son of a bitch who murdered a little girl by smashing her head crushing her skull, that after shooting her father in front of her. It's expected that this fucking subhuman animal is going to receive a hero's welcome by Hezbollah upon his release and subsequent return.

What the Israeli's should do is implant a small explosive device in his head set to go off at the sound of cheering

Or you raze the entire area. At what point do we let caution go to the wind when dealing with animals?

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Yup, that is what Israel did to Lebanon, killing totally innocent children in the deliberate process. Some 4000 civilians and very very few were terrorists.

And funny, its the Arab sides that is now convinced the Israelis are animals.

First as humans, we must totally demonise the other side, paint them ALL with the same brush, then any atrocity becomes desirable and possible. Works so well for both sides.

It helps explain why this 60 year old conflict keeps escalating as terrorists technology improves.

You wouldnt get an accurate account of what happened in Lebanon if you tried. Arabs sides are now looking at jews as animals? What did they think before? Anyways they have been like this since the 30's when a massive influx of Jews came from Europe to free Nazi persecution.

I paint these terrorist organizations different and rightfully so. Their mission is not morally correct in any sense of the word. They are on one mission and that is the destruction of Israel. Isreal's mission is to protect its citizens. Something I know is foreign to us in the United States. But something taken very seriously within that state for obvious reasons.

It will keep escalating until the people enabling the terrorist organizations give up. Until then I dont really have a problem with Israel defending herself against these organizations. If people who are enabling them get in the way. I guess enabling these organizations has its price.

With that said expect another 60 years of fighting. Talking gets nothing done in that part of the world. We are dealing with remnants of the Arab nationalist movement who feel wronged by Israel being created and the wars lost since.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Except one is a recognized state. The others organizations based on the destruction of that state. Often funded by other states who cant fight on a battlefield and need a proxy to do their bidding. They are not coke and pepsi.

With that mindset the US is actually worse than Hezbollah as far as killing innocents goes.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Except one is a recognized state. The others organizations based on the destruction of that state. Often funded by other states who cant fight on a battlefield and need a proxy to do their bidding. They are not coke and pepsi.

Recognized by whom? Certainly not the people displaced when the Europeans redrew their borders after WWII.