Hey, so CFL's emit UV rays and contain mercury?

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desura

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http://www.anh-usa.org/compact-fluorescent-light-bulbs-a-new-cancer-risk-in-your-home/

The mercury thing can be dealt with, since lights in ceiling fixtures are unlikely to break (though lights in table lamps have broken on me many times..)

But UV rays? It is a good rule of thumb to never let yourself be directly in the path of a CFL, but always make sure it either is bounced off something else like a wall, or have something in the path like a lampshade?
 

HamburgerBoy

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I like how they don't bother quantifying the amount of UV emission at all and are content to let the reader simply know that UV is emitted.
 

iamwiz82

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AFAIK the majority of the CFL UV studies have concluded that you will receive a dosage of UV rays as long as you are within inches of the bulb.
 

Jeff7

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UV is produced in all fluorescent tubes. It's how they work. UV is produced, which then strikes the phosphor coating on the inside of the tube. The light is absorbed and then re-emitted in visible wavelengths.

How much UV finds its way through? I'd certainly hope that it's not much, but most fluorescent tubes are made in China, and their quality control systems are.....spotty.
Incandescent bulbs also emit some ultraviolet. Not much, but they are blackbody emitters, and some of that wavelength distribution extends into the ultraviolet. The hotter the filament, the more UV there is. (Look at the left side of the x-axis, mainly anything below 400nm.)

Second, those "natural health" sites often have a habit of dipping into fiction ("pseudoscience") quite often.
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Dietary changes, increased physical activity, time-honored remedies that include herbs and homeopathic remedies, and rest—these should always be our first-line approaches.
By the time you get to a 30X dilution, there is no measurable part of the original substance left.
The precise mechanism of how homeopathy works—why greater and greater dilutions should have more and more power, and why the violent shaking with impact should be so important—is still unknown.
Yes, they've got some BS.

And the manner in which it works is known: Placebos are impressively effective on our species.

"Here, drink this. It will make you better."
"Wow, it works! I feel great! What was it?"
"Nothing, just distilled water."



Every electron in every cell vibrates; so if everything vibrates, it would seem fairly logical that one vibration must affect another. One current hypothesis is that the succussion of the dilution strengthens the vibratory resonance of the substance, even when the physical component of the substance has been removed.
Now they're really diving into the deep end of the pool of BS.
They should've thrown in the word "quantum" somewhere, just for good measure. :awe:



In the meantime, vicious attacks on homeopathy—in the US and UK and elsewhere—continue, both because it is an affront to conventional medical thought and an economic threat to the patent drug business.
Because it's an affront to rational thought. Because it can prevent people from using real medicine, and instead using something that's as useful as swallowing a quarter-ounce of distilled water. Because it is a waste of money and resources on an industry that is without value.


[Homepathic remedies are] far safer than FDA-approved drugs.
Well sure, a useless pill with no active ingredients is going to be pretty safe...assuming that the inert filler material isn't an allergen or toxin.



In fact, the UV rays are so strong that they can actually burn skin and skin cells.
I'm around fluorescent tubes every day, and I'm about as white as you can get. Sunlight is what burns me, and in a damn hurry, too. (I'm not too far south of Canada, and I still burn in under an hour outside.)


Mercury content: A few milligrams, maybe. I've seen some that have less than 1 milligram.




I like how they don't bother quantifying the amount of UV emission at all and are content to let the reader simply know that UV is emitted.
They did say, "In fact, the UV rays are so strong that they can actually burn skin and skin cells."


Also from the article:
There are also light-emitting diodes (LEDs), which are mercury-free—though LEDs emit blue light, which can be disruptive to sleep, as we noted in our 2012 article.
(Psssst! So do all other kinds of normal indoor lighting.) LEDs just have a more defined band of it, and they're available in lots of different color temperatures. Get one that's a warm color temperature, 2700K-3000K, with a CRI of 80 at the very least (I prefer >90), and you won't tell the difference between that and an incandescent bulb.
2700K Philips Rebel LED wavelength distribution.
5650K Philips Rebel LED wavelength distribution.
In either one, you can see the defined band of blue light, over toward the left. More of it is allowed through on the higher color temperature emitters, making the light look more blue. In the warm white emitters, more of the blue is absorbed and converted to longer wavelengths, giving a redder light.


But, any kind of cool white source, whether it be filtered incandescent, fluorescent, LED...anything, could conceivably mess with your sleep - it probably would be because that spread of wavelengths, which is indeed heavier on the blue, mimics what you'd see during the middle of the day; not "because they're evil new technology that's out to getcha." Lighting that's shifted toward the red end of the spectrum is closer to what you'd expect in the evening, so some part of you's evolved to associate that with sleep.
 
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My god, the last scientific study I read about UV rays was that you'll only get a "harmful" dose of UV if you literally stand within 2" of the CFL for an entire day.

Further than that, the amount of UV absorbed is insignificant.
 

TridenT

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Welcome to 20 years ago?

Yeah, seriously.

It's so little that no one, with a brain, gives a shit.

My god, the last scientific study I read about UV rays was that you'll only get a "harmful" dose of UV if you literally stand within 2" of the UV lamp for an entire day.

Further than that, the amount of UV absorbed is insignificant.

And you'd have to have one of the bulbs that 'leaks' a lot of UV light with a pretty high wattage. (20w+) Most bulbs give off way less UV light. Very few give off anything that is measurably significant and none give off anything that's even a worry at 1ft away.
 

Red Squirrel

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Is this the same kind of UV as the sun or a more dangerous type? I would imagine the sun puts out quite a lot more...

Most of mine are not exposed though. At work the neon tubes are. I wonder if those emit any as well. Come to think of it, arn't "black lights" basically pure UV? Are those bad for us? Those used to be all rage at one point for computer cases. Not something you seem to see much anymore though. It was pretty cool when setup well.
 

Jeff7

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Is this the same kind of UV as the sun or a more dangerous type? I would imagine the sun puts out quite a lot more...

Most of mine are not exposed though. At work the neon tubes are. I wonder if those emit any as well. Come to think of it, arn't "black lights" basically pure UV? Are those bad for us? Those used to be all rage at one point for computer cases. Not something you seem to see much anymore though. It was pretty cool when setup well.
The shorter the wavelength, the more energetic the photons are. Shortwave UV photons are sufficiently energetic that they can knock electrons away from atoms, ionizing them, which can damage cells. Blacklights are indeed UV emitters, but they're not shortwave - unless you want to disinfect your partiers, and simultaneously blind them and give them radiation burns. :p
 

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This just in: Tanning beds have been invented. And they require a pile of special flourescent bulbs at close range to work.

In other news, office workers are still pasty white.

See where I'm going here? Dumb news is dumb.
 

Red Squirrel

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This just in: Tanning beds have been invented. And they require a pile of special flourescent bulbs at close range to work.

In other news, office workers are still pasty white.

See where I'm going here? Dumb news is dumb.

There are different types of UV though as indicated above. Whether these bulbs are producing the "bad" kind is another story though. Assuming CFLs use exactly the same type as neon tubes then I doubt it's significant given neon tubes have been around for a long time.

It's like if there are groups out there that are against CFL lights, it seems they get bad publicity over silly things, such as the mercury in them.
 

Jeff7

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There are different types of UV though as indicated above. Whether these bulbs are producing the "bad" kind is another story though. Assuming CFLs use exactly the same type as neon tubes then I doubt it's significant given neon tubes have been around for a long time.
Those germicidal tubes I linked to are fluorescent tubes...without the part that fluoresces. :p

The UV produced behind the phosphor coating could be pretty damaging if you got hit with enough of it.

If we're talking about some tiny cracks in a source that's several feet away, the dosage is going to be quite low.



It's like if there are groups out there that are against CFL lights, it seems they get bad publicity over silly things, such as the mercury in them.
A lot of new technology can get those sorts in a tizzy.

Yet they seem to be quite ok with incandescent lightbulbs.

A filament of tungsten, heated by moving electrical charge, glowing at about 2700K, inside a glass bulb that's filled with argon - just as nature intended.
 
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