Not flaming or anything but you seem to have your finger on the pulse of Repubs and want to know what was actually going on there.
Repubs with fingers in cookies jars?
Hey Russ whats this all about?
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Not flaming or anything but you seem to have your finger on the pulse of Repubs and want to know what was actually going on there.
Repubs with fingers in cookies jars?
I'll give ya my opinion. 
It's all about Al Gore being a dickweed. Every 3 days he gets on the TV and says all he wants is for every vote to count but obviously he doesn't mean "all" the votes, just his votes. He's ready to send Dionne Warwick and her pychic hotline friends down there to find out the "voters intent" but I don't see him worried about these 20,000 or so ballots not being counted. If he had any balls he would kick open the court room door and ask for the suit to be dropped so all the ballots could be counted just like he says he wants.
That will never happen though because he is a POS.
But that's just my veiw.
It's all about Al Gore being a dickweed. Every 3 days he gets on the TV and says all he wants is for every vote to count but obviously he doesn't mean "all" the votes, just his votes. He's ready to send Dionne Warwick and her pychic hotline friends down there to find out the "voters intent" but I don't see him worried about these 20,000 or so ballots not being counted. If he had any balls he would kick open the court room door and ask for the suit to be dropped so all the ballots could be counted just like he says he wants.That will never happen though because he is a POS.
But that's just my veiw.
Anybody...
What really happened ???? The repubs sent out absentee requests ( post cards ) & forgot & left off the Fl voter ID #. When they discovered this, they (Repubs) requested & were allowed to add the #s to the cards. The cards were mailed directly to the county supervisor of elections.
The democrats, by the way, did the same thing with a variation. They had similar cards but the cards were mailed to the Fl state Democratic Headquarters where they were checked for completness & then hand delivered in bulk to the county elections offices. The dems had the dem ballot requests in their sole posession before delivery to the offices ( many counties, not just 1 ).
All of this is a bit strange as a dem judge in the same county, did exactly the same thing in a primary race, THIS YEAR. The voter ID# was left off the request cards by accident & the dem judge's campaign worker added the #s before delivering the cards to the elections office.
What really happened ???? The repubs sent out absentee requests ( post cards ) & forgot & left off the Fl voter ID #. When they discovered this, they (Repubs) requested & were allowed to add the #s to the cards. The cards were mailed directly to the county supervisor of elections.
The democrats, by the way, did the same thing with a variation. They had similar cards but the cards were mailed to the Fl state Democratic Headquarters where they were checked for completness & then hand delivered in bulk to the county elections offices. The dems had the dem ballot requests in their sole posession before delivery to the offices ( many counties, not just 1 ).
All of this is a bit strange as a dem judge in the same county, did exactly the same thing in a primary race, THIS YEAR. The voter ID# was left off the request cards by accident & the dem judge's campaign worker added the #s before delivering the cards to the elections office.
It would seem that the voter ID numbers were added or corrected on the application forms before they were sent to the voter for completion, i.e. - casting their ballot.
Nobody "tampered" with anyone's vote selection.
It would also seem that, for all of their "get out the vote" efforts, the Florida Democratic Party completely dropped the ball at taking care of their existing voter base; and at ensuring a minimal level of competency for the "new" voters they were enlisting for their cause.
Of course, Mr. Every-Vote-Must-Be-Counted won't condemn this last gasp effort to overturn the election, preferring to claim that "he's not involved in this litigation" that was filed by high-ranking Party members.
Nobody "tampered" with anyone's vote selection.
It would also seem that, for all of their "get out the vote" efforts, the Florida Democratic Party completely dropped the ball at taking care of their existing voter base; and at ensuring a minimal level of competency for the "new" voters they were enlisting for their cause.
Of course, Mr. Every-Vote-Must-Be-Counted won't condemn this last gasp effort to overturn the election, preferring to claim that "he's not involved in this litigation" that was filed by high-ranking Party members.
<< It would seem that the voter ID numbers were added or corrected on the application forms before they were sent to the voter for completion, i.e. - casting their ballot. >>
Actually I think in both cases, the voter ID number were added AFTER the forms were received by the County Elections office. They were to be thrown out otherwise.
The Election official in Seminole County acknowledged, that Florida law did not allow this. From MSNBC story here
<< Goard also testified that Florida law did not give her the authority to allow party officials to fill in the numbers. >>
The desperation (and hypocrisy) of Gore and the Democrats to steal this election has left them clutching for this straw.
NO ONE has claimed that the ballots were tampered with. These were APPLICATIONS. The printer screwed up and put the birth dates in place of the voter ID #s. The Dems didn't do this because they didn't screw up their apps.
Since the ballots were separated from the envelopes, Gore (don't kid yourself, this guy who brought the suit is a big-shot Dem doner) wants EVERYONE'S votes thrown out so that he can win. (So much for every vote counting!)
Also, the judge got passed over for a promotion by Jeb Bush a few weeks ago. Is payback gonna be a factor in her decision?
NO ONE has claimed that the ballots were tampered with. These were APPLICATIONS. The printer screwed up and put the birth dates in place of the voter ID #s. The Dems didn't do this because they didn't screw up their apps.
Since the ballots were separated from the envelopes, Gore (don't kid yourself, this guy who brought the suit is a big-shot Dem doner) wants EVERYONE'S votes thrown out so that he can win. (So much for every vote counting!)
Also, the judge got passed over for a promotion by Jeb Bush a few weeks ago. Is payback gonna be a factor in her decision?
No surprise... this has happened before.
If I remember correctly, this happened in an earlier Mayoral election; the ballots were thrown out and the election was overturned.
If I remember correctly, this happened in an earlier Mayoral election; the ballots were thrown out and the election was overturned.
xaigi,
The two cases are not remotely similar. The Mayoral ballots were thrown out because it was dead people voting.
Anybody,
Did you just now find that? It's been all over the news for days. The case has little merit and, even if it did, the remedy being requested is legally excessive.
Even if the judge was ignorant enough to rule in favor of the democrats in these two current cases, it would be appealed and shot down. But, by the time that happened, the deadline has come and gone, and the Florida Legislature fulfills it's duty under the law, and appoints the Electors.
Russ, NCNE
The two cases are not remotely similar. The Mayoral ballots were thrown out because it was dead people voting.
Anybody,
Did you just now find that? It's been all over the news for days. The case has little merit and, even if it did, the remedy being requested is legally excessive.
Even if the judge was ignorant enough to rule in favor of the democrats in these two current cases, it would be appealed and shot down. But, by the time that happened, the deadline has come and gone, and the Florida Legislature fulfills it's duty under the law, and appoints the Electors.
Russ, NCNE
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The desperation (and hypocrisy) of Gore and the Democrats to steal this election has left them clutching for this straw.
>>>Gore is not a party in either lawsuit. <<<
Bush attorneys ARE part of both suits.
Since they are,I submit the cases have merit,and precidence has been set in prior cases involving handling of ballot applications by anyone other than the voter,his power of attorney,or a blood relative or spouse. The people who have allowed this tampering are guilty of a third degree felony.
I would submit that Bush is trying to steal the election by felonious means as demonstrated in the Seminole and Martin county cases. Otherwise,why would the top echelon of the Bush attorney clan be in court directly representing and defending Bush?
The constant court battles to keep the contested ballots from Dade and PB from being counted again shows that the Bush lawyers do not want the voters intent expressed. Their (Bush) attorneys witnesses even testified IN THE RECORD OF THE COURT that the machines are at fault and the only remedy is a manual recount.
Stay tuned,It ain't over yet.
Florida republican legislature conveens in special session on Friday to select thier own Bush electors.They are saying to 6 million Florida voters,"We don't care who you voted for or what the law says,We are electing GW!"
This may go to the US Congress for determination before its all over. Its amazing!!
The desperation (and hypocrisy) of Gore and the Democrats to steal this election has left them clutching for this straw.
>>>Gore is not a party in either lawsuit. <<<
Bush attorneys ARE part of both suits.
Since they are,I submit the cases have merit,and precidence has been set in prior cases involving handling of ballot applications by anyone other than the voter,his power of attorney,or a blood relative or spouse. The people who have allowed this tampering are guilty of a third degree felony.
I would submit that Bush is trying to steal the election by felonious means as demonstrated in the Seminole and Martin county cases. Otherwise,why would the top echelon of the Bush attorney clan be in court directly representing and defending Bush?
The constant court battles to keep the contested ballots from Dade and PB from being counted again shows that the Bush lawyers do not want the voters intent expressed. Their (Bush) attorneys witnesses even testified IN THE RECORD OF THE COURT that the machines are at fault and the only remedy is a manual recount.
Stay tuned,It ain't over yet.
Florida republican legislature conveens in special session on Friday to select thier own Bush electors.They are saying to 6 million Florida voters,"We don't care who you voted for or what the law says,We are electing GW!"
This may go to the US Congress for determination before its all over. Its amazing!!
To be honest. Yes I just saw this.. Ive become apathetic about news reguarding the election and was just curious. Thanks for the description of what went on I was sure it was just more nonsense.
Well the issue is a little deeper than that. The applications when sent out require the person to "verify" the info on the document, then sign it. Once a document is signed it is a legal document. Improperly filled out applications invalidate a ballot when a person votes absentee. Both cases are different. In the case in seminole the elections supervisor allowed them to do changes even though she had disallowed it 20 yrs previous. A "supposedly" republican voter said he was denied to vote two years ago because of the same problem by this same elections official. In Martin it is different and in some ways worse. First off it was testified last night that the campaign manager was told that the applications would not be accepted. Thus he spoke to a campaign worker, he then sent someone else to the elections office to get these ballots and took them with him to make changes. The campaign person was caught in several lies last night, I watched the trial. Also in Martin appparently large groups of id numbers were either changed or filled in by only 4 people. And remeber they have to verify the info is correct. A hand expert reviewed the applications and said that large amounts of were filled out by four people. But in the depositons submitted by the republicans only 1 and on one occasion had any changes been made. Well that is impossible. The 1 first man identified his hand writing. The first man also testified that the man who followed him also made changes. When the 2nd man came he not only denied making any changes but also said he couldn't identify his "own" handwriting. He then said that in conversation with the campaign manager that the campaign manager knew that cards had been removed and that changes were being made. Well the campaign manager then denies ever having a conversation with the man. Well what it all boils down to they were all caught lying. And then the campaign manager didn't disclose the fact to anyone that changes had been made. It is great case whether or not it chages anything is a different story. I don't know about Seminole because I didn't see that case, but without a doubt somebody is in some serious trouble in Martin because they also made it known they were aware of the statue that prohibits anyone else from filling in voter info, except for the voter himself or a family member.
classy,
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Russ:
Keep prayin' man, keep prayin'.
The more you say Bush wins, of course, the more likely it is he will win.
The remedy for over 30 years has been to throw out the ballots. The Miami mayor's race was nothing new and no different from this case except the presidency is on the line. Let's see what kind of balls the judge has!
Er, um, er, yoiks!
Keep prayin' man, keep prayin'.
The more you say Bush wins, of course, the more likely it is he will win.
The remedy for over 30 years has been to throw out the ballots. The Miami mayor's race was nothing new and no different from this case except the presidency is on the line. Let's see what kind of balls the judge has!
Er, um, er, yoiks!
I don't get the part about precedent... there is no precedent except for the democrat judge who did the same thing.. exactly... This year !!
This never happened before because the voter ID# was not required before on AB ballot applications.
The Miami election does not compare... 100s of dead people voted... there was outright fraud..
There is no fraud even alleged in the complaint filed in this case.
There is also a federal election law that states more or less... no voter may be denied because of an omission on an application, if the voter is qualified & there is substantial compliance with the application procedure.
It has been agreed by the dems that the voters were qualified.
BTW, the repub 'helper' also put voter ID #s on some democrat ballot applications as well ( about 30 or so dems used the republican card request form ). This fact was not contested by the Dems.
This never happened before because the voter ID# was not required before on AB ballot applications.
The Miami election does not compare... 100s of dead people voted... there was outright fraud..
There is no fraud even alleged in the complaint filed in this case.
There is also a federal election law that states more or less... no voter may be denied because of an omission on an application, if the voter is qualified & there is substantial compliance with the application procedure.
It has been agreed by the dems that the voters were qualified.
BTW, the repub 'helper' also put voter ID #s on some democrat ballot applications as well ( about 30 or so dems used the republican card request form ). This fact was not contested by the Dems.
cxim Where did you hear this, in which trial, Seminole or Martin? I know this did not happen in the Martin case.
"BTW, the repub 'helper' also put voter ID #s on some democrat ballot applications as well ( about 30 or so dems used the republican card request form ). This fact was not contested by the Dems."
Just wondering, because I find that very unlikely. I can't see a Republican "helper" calling a Democrat campaign manager saying "Hey I want to help you guys out and put in Voter ID # on a application." And I seriously doubt anyone from the Democratic party would actually give it to them anyway.
"BTW, the repub 'helper' also put voter ID #s on some democrat ballot applications as well ( about 30 or so dems used the republican card request form ). This fact was not contested by the Dems."
Just wondering, because I find that very unlikely. I can't see a Republican "helper" calling a Democrat campaign manager saying "Hey I want to help you guys out and put in Voter ID # on a application." And I seriously doubt anyone from the Democratic party would actually give it to them anyway.
This situation is no fault of the voters. The actions taken by the Republicans did not skew the election results. If anything, their actions allowed the votes of thousands of voters to count when their votes were in danger of being uncounted due to a TRUE technicality. The votes themselves have not been tampered with. It is my understanding that the Miami Mayor's race was a dispute over actual PHYSICAL ballots... not applications. Why should anyone want these votes thrown out other than to change the tide of the election. Too bad the election process does not exist in a vacuum... Then we would know the true motivations of the people filing the suits in Martin and Seminole.
Russ: The Executive Branch of the Florida gov. has already fulfilled it's duty and appointed the Electors, when the votes were certified. These electors are casting the 25 votes for BUSH. The Florida legislature is going to appoint their own set of Electors, who will cast their votes for BUSH.
To quote Kyle: "Dude, This is pretty fscked up right here."
The laws concerning tampering with absentee ballots state quite clearly that nobody other than the voter is to enter information on the absentee application once it is mailed. This was done because of the Mayoral race, where people filled out absentee APPLICATIONS, so they could use dead people to vote with absentee BALLOTS. That is why there is a DIRECT correlation between these cases.
To quote Kyle: "Dude, This is pretty fscked up right here."
The laws concerning tampering with absentee ballots state quite clearly that nobody other than the voter is to enter information on the absentee application once it is mailed. This was done because of the Mayoral race, where people filled out absentee APPLICATIONS, so they could use dead people to vote with absentee BALLOTS. That is why there is a DIRECT correlation between these cases.
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Corelation? Hmmm... dead people vote? Nope. What the Republicans did was preserve the right of REAL LIVE PEOPLE to vote (which would have otherwise been discarded due to no fault of the voter). Comparing that to pure and outright FRAUD in the Miami Mayoral race is ridiculous.
Corelation? Hmmm... dead people vote? Nope. What the Republicans did was preserve the right of REAL LIVE PEOPLE to vote (which would have otherwise been discarded due to no fault of the voter). Comparing that to pure and outright FRAUD in the Miami Mayoral race is ridiculous.
That was in the Seminole case testimony /depositions. BTW the voter ID# is a matter of public record. He did not need to get the # from the dems.
This as a fact was not contested or challenged by the dems, in any way. The democrats did not ask the repub helper guy to do it. He just put the voter ID# on all the cards he saw that did not have #s. He testified in his deposition that he knew they were democrats too.
This as a fact was not contested or challenged by the dems, in any way. The democrats did not ask the repub helper guy to do it. He just put the voter ID# on all the cards he saw that did not have #s. He testified in his deposition that he knew they were democrats too.
<< The actions taken by the Republicans did not skew the election results >>
Actually their actions DID skew the election results. The absentee ballot applications were about to be thrown out, if it wasn't for the work of the Republicans. If thrown out, the voter wouldn't have been able to vote absentee. (some of the voters MIGHT have voted in person of course.)
Actually, my understanding was that the Republican guy ACCIDENTLY put the number on a few of the Democrat ballot applications, which had the same address as on the Republican list.
The complaint is about doing this in general, which apparently violates Florida law. Again, from the CNN article I posted above:
<< Goard also testified that Florida law did not give her the authority to allow party officials to fill in the numbers >>
The complaint is about doing this in general, which apparently violates Florida law. Again, from the CNN article I posted above:
<< Goard also testified that Florida law did not give her the authority to allow party officials to fill in the numbers >>
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