Hey ORNERY, C'mone ORNERY, you've asked me 3 times, so here's your answer.

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DABANSHEE

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(IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION)

Orney, Those knee-jerk 'over the top' gun laws they introduced after that 'recessive' stole an Armalite & blastered 30 people away in Tasmania, have made buggerall difference to gun crime rates in Australia (see it doesnt just happen in the US, it happens elseware to, but useally about every 5 years, rather than on some lunar month shedule).

You have to remember there's only about 80 firearm deaths a year in Oz (going by some chart I saw on the 'Australian Sporting Shooters Association' website a while ago that was reportedly using 'Australian Bureau of Statistics' info) so its hard to work out any short term effects as even if just one armed holdup went wrong it could mean a 5% change in the annual figures. Even long term I don't think those laws would make more than a buggerall effect on firearm related crimes, because as everyone knows criminals don't comply with laws (even though most criminals don't have guns anyway - most I know would sell any gun they had for their next hit). However as far as accidents & compulsive/impulsives acts are concerned there may be a small downward trend. You'll have to get back to me in about 20 years & I'll let you know.

I Personally think those laws went way over the top, they basically banned all semi-automatic rifles & all 'repeat firing' shotties (pumpies & semi-autos). Gez, they even went & banned, bloody .22 rimfire semi-autos, even though just about every cocky (what farmers are called down under) on the land owns one. At least the govt was paying above the odds for all weapons handed in, I got $200 for a old SKS I 'inherited' (someone who owed me money gave it to me instead). Personally I think it was a huge waste of tax payers money - the govt buying about a million firearms then just smelting them down.

 
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DABANSHEE, formatting codes don't work in thread titles (translation = "Remove the {B} and {/B} from the title")
 
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<< Personally I think it was a huge waste of tax payers money - the govt buying about a >>

And a huge waste of money and time in the goverment doing &quot;something&quot; about nothing. Just to clarify DABANSHEE, these &quot;horrible gun toting rampages&quot; only happen once and a while and considering how many weapons to people there are in the USA vs. Austrialia I bet per a capita we wouldnt be half as bad as you would think. Consider Japan where no guns are allowed period, the fact that they have any deaths due to gunshot wounds means that per a gun (0) the have x amount of gun deaths, thats a sad ratio.







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Ornery

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Man, I've been waiting for a reply since Sep/26/2000 6:40 PM. Then asked again on Oct/05/2000 6:04 PM . I sure didn't feel the need to post a New Topic after waiting for only 3 hours after deciding to reply on Oct/06/2000 11:18 PM! Sheesh!

Thanks for finally getting around to it though. I assumed the results of The Great Australian Gun Law Con were not what you would have wished for. I kinda figured with your liberal bent, that you would be very much for strict gun control.

I like things the way they are here. No more, no less gun control would suit me fine. I for damn sure don't want to end up unarmed against criminals or even a government run awry. I think South Africa would be a good example of that at the moment. I guess some of the folks in Britain and Canada ought to chime in at this point...

EDIT: BTW, I'm going out to lunch now, so don't start a whole new topic before I can reply to this! ;)
 
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To be perfectly honest when all this was going on &amp; the prime-minister got all the state premiers together, I didn't think they would actually ever get arround to agreeing to anything, &amp; I didn't beleive it at first, how could they be so bloody silly.

Spending bloody millions in tax payers money to buy back everyones guns then melting them down, talk about over the top. Its as if all the polies were after the womens vote - because one thing I noticed was that the anti-gun lobby spokespersons were all women.

It was also arrogance in the extreme as the vast majority of Australians live in 4 urban areas arround Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne &amp; Canberra, &amp; here they were forcing draconian laws over those Australians that lived in the regional areas that covered the rest of the country.

What got me was the way it was presented as a fate complee (or whatever it's called) with the Prime-Minister &amp; the opposition leader &amp; all the state premiers &amp; state opposition leaders coming out &amp; saying the've made this agreement &amp; its a done deal. &amp; they got away with it because some bloody 'recessive' with an Armalite went &amp; blasted away 30 people.

It really makes one cynical about 2 party politics.

Really all that's been done is that the've turned ordinary people into criminals (a bit like the drug laws) &amp; means that there are more guns than ever on the black market.

Yet crime rates are more or less the same as the've ever been - slightly rising in total, but decreasing slightly once population is factored in (per-capita). Really it'd take 20 years for them to really tell if those laws made any difference &amp; even then you couldnt be sure.
 
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Today I watched all the sheep line up for the first enactment of our incredible poor bill C-68. Toady is the closing date for the $10 licence which will got to $60 after this and you must get a possesion only licecne before the end fo the year.
To say resistance is huge is an understatement, its has cost over a half billion dollars to register a measly 1/4 of firearms owners.
The next step is registering all the actual firearms by 2003 a virtual impossiblity. May have said they will register some but not all of their firearms and a large black market underground has already formed. The Gov't said Gee we never thought there would be so much resistance when asked why the costs have skyrocketed from a proposed 80 million dollar start up to an 8 million dollar annual maintenance
What should be done!!
Our federal gov't living in their dream world tried to appease a few special interest groups and it is blowing up in their face big time.
Instead of hiring 300 more RCMP officers which I feel would save many more lives that the only 200 firearm homocides a yr we actually have,
hired 300 paper pushers in Ottawa to facilitate the registry. Bravo.
 
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