Hey forgetful liberals, here's a little reminder of why we went to war in Iraq.

yllus

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Was titled, What's with Hans Blix's new stance on Iraq? Wasn't getting any replies, so the title was jazzed up to better fit in with the mindsets of this forum. :p

How have Hans Blix, the late David Kelly and other UN weapons inspectors become the darlings of the anti-war movement when they were central to the case for waging war on Iraq?

The UN inspectors didn't provide an alternative to war; they laid the ground for war. From 1998, when the first lot of inspectors left Iraq, to the eve of Gulf War II in 2003, inspectors raised suspicion after suspicion about the Ba'athists, describing them as 'bastards' and 'moral lepers' in charge of a 'terribly dangerous rogue state', and accusing them of trying to develop the Plague, anthrax bombs, smallpox, other viral programmes and, in the words of one author, 'God knows what else' (2).

The period between 1998, when UNSCOM officials left Iraq as then US President Bill Clinton and UK prime minister Tony Blair launched their bombing campaign Operation Desert Fox, and 2002, when under Blix the inspectors returned, is referred to in weapons inspection circles as the 'dark years'. During this time the inspectors, bitter at having to leave Iraq, tried desperately to convince the world that Saddam was still a threat that needed to be neutered. They gave public speeches and contributed to books and newspaper articles on Iraq's alleged weapons programmes. Some of them helped Tom Mangold and Jeff Goldberg with their book Plague Wars: A True Story of Biological Warfare, first published in 1999 and republished in 2000. That book describes Iraq as 'one of the most dangerous rogue states in the world today', and as the possible site of the 'first biological war of the millennium'. Iraq is an 'immediate danger', it declared (4).

The final nail in Iraq's coffin was provided by Hans Blix. Today he takes an 'I told you so' approach to Bush and Blair, contrasting his own rational approach to Iraq's alleged WMD with America and Britain's hysterical warmongering, and declaring that Saddam got shot of his WMD 10 years ago. He's changed his tune. At the end of January 2003, six weeks before Bush and Blair launched their war, Blix said no such thing about Iraq having no WMD. Instead, like other weapons inspectors before him, he raised suspicions and, in the words of one report, 'buttressed' the pro-war campaign (11).

In his speech to the UN Security Council on 27 January 2003, Blix asked awkward 'questions that need to be answered'. On chemical weapons he raised the problem that: 'Some 6,500 chemical bombs containing 1,000 tons of chemical agents and "several thousand" chemical rocket warheads are unaccounted for.... Inspectors found a "laboratory quantity" of thiodiglycol, a precursor of mustard gas.... Iraq has prepared equipment at a chemical plant previously destroyed by the UN....' On biological weapons he said: 'Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of [anthrax], which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. But Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.' He also warned, ominously, that Iraq's anthrax 'might still exist' (12).

Indeed, Blix approached the inspections with the attitude that if he and his team didn't find WMD that still wouldn't be evidence that said WMD did not exist. Before setting off to inspect Iraq, he told a reporter that 'not seeing something, not seeing an indication of something, does not lead automatically to the conclusion that there is nothing' (13).

(2) (4) Plague Wars: A True Story of Biological Warfare, Tom Mangold and Jeff Goldberg, Pan Books, 1999

(11) The damning of Saddam, Robin Gedye, Toby Harnden in Washington and Toby Helm, Daily Telegraph, 28 January 2003

(12) An update on inspection, Hans Blix, United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, 27 January 2004

(13) The anthrax hunter, Julian Borger, Guardian, 10 April 2002

Edit: Forgot that FuseTalk uses the opposite link code of every other forum out there. :p
 

upsciLLion

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It's amazing how glaring facts such as these can be glossed over when they don't perpetuate your agenda.

I also think the fact that the US took so long before invading (six weeks if I recall correctly) gave Iraq (or Russia if you believe the article by the Washington Post) enough time to move all the weapons into neighboring countries. That's really the only option they had at that point. What were they going to do? Call our bluff? :p
 

mwtgg

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"I actually did vote for the eighty-seven billion dollars..." err wrong person.

Interesting article though yllus. I must ask why this isn't being blasted all over every news network. Oh well, whatever suits their needs. I guess those missing votes are more important.
 

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Stunning!

Brilliant!

Incandescent!

A rare intellectual insight only possible by the grace of God who must have blessed a conservative mind with TRUTH!

Thank you for opening my mind with these fresh insights.

-Robert
 

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Good news. It's a little easier to accept the loss of soldiers when we know the WMDs are still out there, waiting to be found.
 

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Originally posted by: yllus
Was titled, What's with Hans Blix's new stance on Iraq? Wasn't getting any replies, so the title was jazzed up to better fit in with the mindsets of this forum. :p

How have Hans Blix, the late David Kelly and other UN weapons inspectors become the darlings of the anti-war movement when they were central to the case for waging war on Iraq?

The UN inspectors didn't provide an alternative to war; they laid the ground for war. From 1998, when the first lot of inspectors left Iraq, to the eve of Gulf War II in 2003, inspectors raised suspicion after suspicion about the Ba'athists, describing them as 'bastards' and 'moral lepers' in charge of a 'terribly dangerous rogue state', and accusing them of trying to develop the Plague, anthrax bombs, smallpox, other viral programmes and, in the words of one author, 'God knows what else' (2).

:roll:
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good news. It's a little easier to accept the loss of soldiers when we know the WMDs are still out there, waiting to be found.
So you acknowledge that the popularly-held view prior to war was that Iraq indeed possessed WMD? :)
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
OP, do you think this cartoon is funny or accurately portrays the situation?

Info, give it up... no one thinks those cartoons are funny, no matter what their political views :p

to the OP... a lot of us didn't have an issue with the iraq war in and of itself, we just feel that Bush went about it the wrong way about it (ie: starting a new war before the old one was finished, etc)
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: loki8481
a lot of us didn't have an issue with the iraq war in and of itself, we just feel that Bush went about it the wrong way about it (ie: starting a new war before the old one was finished, etc)
Actually I feel 100% the same way and I'm a centrist-conservative. It is pathetic the way the Bush administration waters everything down to "They evil. We stop them...for great justice." They seem to feel the need to boil everything down to an average intellect way, way lower than needed. And, hell, maybe they're on to something. :p

Truth be told though, if the world community could get together and send a multinational force to remove Saddam that could only have been a good thing, right? But because of the economics of the situation (both in $ and lives) we should all know that it would never happen. Saddam would be sitting cooped up in his little kingdom with his subjects as mere playthings for the remainder of his life. At least this way, America had the opportunity to end the rule of one despot.

Am I pissed at Bush? No. Would I be pissed if I was an American? Probably. I don't want my countrymen going to die to liberate a country that frankly means little to me. At the same time, you can't whine about human rights and the false impetus for war when EVERYBODY except Iraq themselves said WMD existed there.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: glugglug
The TRUE primary reason for the war in Iraq:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/2...ingviews/bviews_hadas/

The secondary reason is more contracts for Haliburton.

WMD/Saddam/Terrorism all have NOTHING to do with it. Period.

Hey buddy, did you know that Halliburton got no-bid contracts in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Somalia, and Haiti? This was under CLINTON'S Administration. Hell, the DoD gave Halliburton the contract, even when they LOST the bidding.

Where's the outrage over this?
 

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Originally posted by: yllus
At the same time, you can't whine about human rights and the false impetus for war when EVERYBODY except Iraq themselves said WMD existed there.

Only because that's what Bush told them.
 

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good news. It's a little easier to accept the loss of soldiers when we know the WMDs are still out there, waiting to be found.
So you acknowledge that the popularly-held view prior to war was that Iraq indeed possessed WMD? :)

Of course. They're out there, and I'm willing to sacrifice all the soldiers it takes to find them. We cannot let them fall into the hands of terrorists. And then we must do something about the growing crisis in Iran. Rogue states cannot be allowed to pursue nukular weapons that could find their way into the hands of terrorists.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
We cannot let them fall into the hands of terrorists. And then we must do something about the growing crisis in Iran. Rogue states cannot be allowed to pursue nukular weapons that could find their way into the hands of terrorists.

Terrorists like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and John Ashcroft?

 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: jpeyton
We cannot let them fall into the hands of terrorists. And then we must do something about the growing crisis in Iran. Rogue states cannot be allowed to pursue nukular weapons that could find their way into the hands of terrorists.

Terrorists like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and John Ashcroft?

C'mon, it's fun to play a closet conservative once in a while. This country is asking for it, so why not go along for the long (and bumpy) ride? :D
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: jpeyton
We cannot let them fall into the hands of terrorists. And then we must do something about the growing crisis in Iran. Rogue states cannot be allowed to pursue nukular weapons that could find their way into the hands of terrorists.

Terrorists like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and John Ashcroft?

Yes, because those three men kidnapped my family and made a video of the beheadings.

Asshat.
 

sandorski

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weak. This issue has been discussed to death and no matter how many time one tries to justify this War based on old Intel the fact is the old Intel was rendered moot after Clinton bombed the hell out of Iraq in 98. The renewed inspections were the only reliable Intel and they were coming up with nothing.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: yllus
At the same time, you can't whine about human rights and the false impetus for war when EVERYBODY except Iraq themselves said WMD existed there.

Only because that's what Bush told them.
Bush single-handedly runs every intelligence agency in the world now? Man, I knew his father was in deep with the CIA but I had no idea of the implications! :Q
 

Babbles

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It was a very good post with links to some pretty hard evidence.

However there are still many people who are closed minded and wish to believe in whatever they want to or whatever their favorite media and/or political personality spoon feeds them.
 

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: glugglug
The TRUE primary reason for the war in Iraq:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/2...ingviews/bviews_hadas/

The secondary reason is more contracts for Haliburton.

WMD/Saddam/Terrorism all have NOTHING to do with it. Period.

Hey buddy, did you know that Halliburton got no-bid contracts in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Somalia, and Haiti? This was under CLINTON'S Administration. Hell, the DoD gave Halliburton the contract, even when they LOST the bidding.

Where's the outrage over this?

Do you realize that the people that work in the defense department are corrupt. This doesn't surprise me one bit. Their are people that have been working in the DOD for years that are making tons of cash from defense contracts. I'd be first in line to give Haliburton contracts if I was to making millions.
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: glugglug
The TRUE primary reason for the war in Iraq:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/2...ingviews/bviews_hadas/

The secondary reason is more contracts for Haliburton.

WMD/Saddam/Terrorism all have NOTHING to do with it. Period.

Hey buddy, did you know that Halliburton got no-bid contracts in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Somalia, and Haiti? This was under CLINTON'S Administration. Hell, the DoD gave Halliburton the contract, even when they LOST the bidding.

Where's the outrage over this?

Do you realize that the people that work in the defense department are corrupt. This doesn't surprise me one bit. Their are people that have been working in the DOD for years that are making tons of cash from defense contracts. I'd be first in line to give Haliburton contracts if I was to making millions.

Yeah, but people complain about Halliburton getting no-bid contracts from Bush, but this has been going on for MANY years.
 

Steeplerot

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Thanks for the kool-aid, I was wondering what reasons for the war you all would pull out of your asses this week.
Keep it coming I bought some 4 year tall boots.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good news. It's a little easier to accept the loss of soldiers when we know the WMDs are still out there, waiting to be found.
So you acknowledge that the popularly-held view prior to war was that Iraq indeed possessed WMD? :)

Of course. They're out there, and I'm willing to sacrifice all the soldiers it takes to find them. We cannot let them fall into the hands of terrorists. And then we must do something about the growing crisis in Iran. Rogue states cannot be allowed to pursue nukular weapons that could find their way into the hands of terrorists.

This pissed me off so much when I first read it, it took me like a minute to realize your parody :)

It was the nukular that gave it away :D
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: stratman
This pissed me off so much when I first read it, it took me like a minute to realize your parody :)

It was the nukular that gave it away :D
Good lord. The minimal requirement for a 'parody' is even lower in P&N than it is in OT.

Noticeably not one self-professed liberal has acknowledged the meat of the matter in the OP. Very instructive. :)