How is the US the No.1 market for F1 when they can barely hold a race here? I know it is one of the most popular in the world, but I thought the US was way down on their list.
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Hey F1 fans, I have a question for you...
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How is the US the No.1 market for F1 when they can barely hold a race here? I know it is one of the most popular in the world, but I thought the US was way down on their list.
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Toastedlightly
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James3shin
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Damn you bastiges!!! I hit the freakin enter key without even putting my meager words to work!
Peace
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Peace
Lounatik
1) this event provides the biggest audience for F1 at any time
its beamed across the US LIVE during the day so people can watch it as they would IRL and NASCAR, plus because of the time difference the race fills a PRIME TIME slot over here in europe.
this is where they can makes the most money and do the most promoting. they've blown it now becuase the FIA wouldnt agree with the drivers and teams, and rightly so. its up to the teams and michelin to provide race worthy equipment, there was no reason FIA should change the rules and impead the performance of the bridgestone runners. but thats in theory
in practice they should of done something, like the chicane idea. but alot of people will never realise how complicated a simple chicane will make things. the ECU's on the cars, the strategies, the setup everything was fine tuned for that lap, and specific distance of the indy circuit. adding extra distance/ time would screw things up
also in order to put a chicane there the FIA would of had to go against their OWN safety rules..which is a dumb move
2) the american market is probably a good place for them, you are after all one of the biggest most powerful economies in the world, and it makes sense for alot of businesses to be a part of it they wanna excel and profit the most
Because some of the biggest sponsors in the series are US based.
Marlboro, HP, Mobil, Red Bull, FedEx, Shell, Budweiser etc...
Also, it's essentially a battle of the manufacturers - Diamler Chrysler, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Ferrari - all of which have a huge stake in US sales.
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That is interesting. Alll of your points above are good ones, too. I was just wondering that with so little coverage here, the fanatacism being with NASCAR, you hardly ever hear of F! being talked about. Thank goodness for Speed Channel.
Peace
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Perhaps the saddest part is that this year's crowd was definitely the biggest since the first GP at Indy in 2000 when they had nearly 200,000 people attend. Especially notable was the fact that the "international" crowd was back too, something which had really declined since 9/11. [Note: the Colombians have always been there, they are way loco for JPM ! ]
Finally, it is quite hypocritical of Jean Todt to bemoan the loss of important marketshare, when bottom-line, he is the one responsible for the farce of a GP that was put on. Todt is not just the sporting director of Ferrari F1 anymore, he is president of all of Ferrari, including competition, and thus he was the one responsible for the position Ferrari took on not allowing the use of a chicane. Despite all of their crying that it was the FIA who would not allow the chicane, the FACT is that Ferrari refused to attend every single meeting / conference held to try to resolve the tire safety problem. Even when presented with the offer that only the six Bridgestone carriers would be awarded points, and the rest of the field would race non grata (they still had reason to race for no points as the next race's qualifying order was yet to be determined), Ferrari refused to even budge a little for the sake of saving the show (aka marketshare ...) for the fans.
Firstly blame Michelin for failing miserably at their job, but this whole shameful episode is also tarnished by the crimson "stain" of the Scuderia. It's bad enough what they did to USGP fans in previous years (essentially fixing the outcome of two races via the use of team orders), but this tops even that.
Finally, it is quite hypocritical of Jean Todt to bemoan the loss of important marketshare, when bottom-line, he is the one responsible for the farce of a GP that was put on. Todt is not just the sporting director of Ferrari F1 anymore, he is president of all of Ferrari, including competition, and thus he was the one responsible for the position Ferrari took on not allowing the use of a chicane. Despite all of their crying that it was the FIA who would not allow the chicane, the FACT is that Ferrari refused to attend every single meeting / conference held to try to resolve the tire safety problem. Even when presented with the offer that only the six Bridgestone carriers would be awarded points, and the rest of the field would race non grata (they still had reason to race for no points as the next race's qualifying order was yet to be determined), Ferrari refused to even budge a little for the sake of saving the show (aka marketshare ...) for the fans.
Firstly blame Michelin for failing miserably at their job, but this whole shameful episode is also tarnished by the crimson "stain" of the Scuderia. It's bad enough what they did to USGP fans in previous years (essentially fixing the outcome of two races via the use of team orders), but this tops even that.
Jean Todt was talking about Ferrari road cars... the US is their biggest market. He was not talking about F1.
Oh great another Ferrari hater...
First of all, Ferrari did not say NO to the chicane idea, and neither did they say YES. All they said was it's up the FIA whether they put the chicane there or not. Second, do you think that even if Ferrari said yes the FIA would agree to that chicane there? Did you read Max Mosley's letter today? There was no way he was budging to change the rules just because a competitor did not bring the proper equipment to the race, even if Ferrari said yes to the chicane. If you're going to argue for a chicane for the sake of safety, then that in itself is questionable. You're going to modify the track 30 minutes before the race and let 20 drivers lose on it? They haven't even made a single lap on it, or qualified. Yeah that's safe alright. Another driver told Michael Schumacher that those Michelins will fail anyway with or without the chicane. Third, show me where Michelin and their teams offered to race without points while Bridgestone was allowed to keep the points. I will gladly admit my mistake if you can show me a source for that. AFAIK they were not willing to let Bridgestone runners score while they didn't... that's a bunch of crap. They were willing to make it a non-scoring even for everyone. I know people that were at the race, and they said that if they went ahead with that plan of giving the Bridgestone runners the points while the Michelin teams didn't, that's as big as a farce as the one that happened yesterday. Why the hell would you want to watch a race where you already know who's going to get the points?
Why are you putting this all on a Ferrari like it was their fault?
Michelin is the one to blame here, then the FIA. Why should Bridgestone have to comply with what Michelin has to do? If a competitor shows up with an engine that will blow up over 18,000 rpm, are you going to limit the engines that can run to 19,000 just so they can all play fair? Michelin showed up with unsuitable tires then they pass the ball to the FIA like it was their problem... then the FIA passes it back... all the while screwing the fans. I don't know what the hell Ferrari has to do with this mess... but they're always the scapegoat in F1 aren't they?
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bR, you have clearly done your homework.
Michelin knows they screwed up royale, in fact everyone knows it. That's why they are refunding 2005 USGP tickets, and giving away 20000 2006 tickets. I hope this doesn't stop them from being nailed to the wall. Their refund announcement contains lots of language blaming everyone else in the world, what a-holes.
Where was the illegal course change when Bridgestone/Ferrari had lousy tires, and were forced to retire?
Michelin teams had several options available the whole time, letting them comply with the sporting rules and put on a good show. They could have run at a reduced speed through Turn 13, with a speed trap set up by the Speedway, and subject to penalties for exceeding Michelin's stated max speed. Even simpler, they could have repeatedly changed the left rear tire, legal because of the safety issue.
The Speedway (Tony George): Not guilty
Ferrari: Not guilty, but blamed because they succeed
Bridgestone: Not guilty
FIA (Max Mosley): Not guilty
The 7 teams not racing: Pretty guilty
Formula 1 (Bernie Eccelstone): Awfully guilty, for letting this happen
Michelin: Super guilty
Although the official F1 website stinks out loud, http://www.formula1.com/news/3218.html
and
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...AID=/20050621/OPINION02/306210001/1093
"Formula One is a sport which entertains. It is not entertainment disguised as sport"
-Max Mosley
Michelin knows they screwed up royale, in fact everyone knows it. That's why they are refunding 2005 USGP tickets, and giving away 20000 2006 tickets. I hope this doesn't stop them from being nailed to the wall. Their refund announcement contains lots of language blaming everyone else in the world, what a-holes.
Where was the illegal course change when Bridgestone/Ferrari had lousy tires, and were forced to retire?
Michelin teams had several options available the whole time, letting them comply with the sporting rules and put on a good show. They could have run at a reduced speed through Turn 13, with a speed trap set up by the Speedway, and subject to penalties for exceeding Michelin's stated max speed. Even simpler, they could have repeatedly changed the left rear tire, legal because of the safety issue.
The Speedway (Tony George): Not guilty
Ferrari: Not guilty, but blamed because they succeed
Bridgestone: Not guilty
FIA (Max Mosley): Not guilty
The 7 teams not racing: Pretty guilty
Formula 1 (Bernie Eccelstone): Awfully guilty, for letting this happen
Michelin: Super guilty
Although the official F1 website stinks out loud, http://www.formula1.com/news/3218.html
and
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...AID=/20050621/OPINION02/306210001/1093
"Formula One is a sport which entertains. It is not entertainment disguised as sport"
-Max Mosley
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