Hey cad

[Bleep]

You seem to be pretty good at quoting political sayings, what republican made this statement last week.

current Bush administration, have used more than $1 trillion in payroll tax payments to the Social Security trust fund for day-to-day operating expenses of the federal government. The juggling of pension funds would be a jailable offense if it took place in the private sector,

No link, you find it.

Bleep

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Bleep
You seem to be pretty good at quoting political sayings, what republican made this statement last week.

current Bush administration, have used more than $1 trillion in payroll tax payments to the Social Security trust fund for day-to-day operating expenses of the federal government. The juggling of pension funds would be a jailable offense if it took place in the private sector,

No link, you find it.

Bleep

And this is no different than any administration for at least the past 20 years.

Social security is broken.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

None


It was a Democrat

U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, D-N.Y.

CkG

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
None


It was a Democrat

U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, D-N.Y.

CkG

If you start making fun of him you'll have the IRA in Ioway..
DPM is fairly conservative.. fiscally speaking as is the Senior senator from S. Carolina.. (finally)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
None


It was a Democrat

U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, D-N.Y.

CkG

If you start making fun of him you'll have the IRA in Ioway..
DPM is fairly conservative.. fiscally speaking as is the Senior senator from S. Carolina.. (finally)

If I wanted to "make fun of him" - I'd have started with "PWNED!"

And you know what - I'm not so sure the quote is exactly accurate because I've seen different wording attributed to him at the begining of the quote. Meh - it doesn't matter though

Also - I agree 100% with the point though. It's been done before, it's happening now, but we need to stop it before it's done in the future. Why should the gov't get to play hide the red pen when states, local gov't, businesses, and individuals can't play the same game? Damn straight I wish our Federal gov't was run more like a real business - with dept accountability and such.

This issue might just be something that all of us peon voters can agree on - the hard part though is forcing our elected officials to see things our way.

CkG

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
None


It was a Democrat

U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, D-N.Y.

CkG

If you start making fun of him you'll have the IRA in Ioway..
DPM is fairly conservative.. fiscally speaking as is the Senior senator from S. Carolina.. (finally)

If I wanted to "make fun of him" - I'd have started with "PWNED!"

And you know what - I'm not so sure the quote is exactly accurate because I've seen different wording attributed to him at the begining of the quote. Meh - it doesn't matter though

Also - I agree 100% with the point though. It's been done before, it's happening now, but we need to stop it before it's done in the future. Why should the gov't get to play hide the red pen when states, local gov't, businesses, and individuals can't play the same game? Damn straight I wish our Federal gov't was run more like a real business - with dept accountability and such.

This issue might just be something that all of us peon voters can agree on - the hard part though is forcing our elected officials to see things our way.

CkG

That was the "Late" Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Must have been one of his last statements as a long time Career Politician. He was New York's "Ted Kennedy".

"This issue might just be something that all of us peon voters can agree on - the hard part though is forcing our elected officials to see things our way."

That's a too common trait of the "Career Politicians" that they actually seem to represent the people by saying such things but they do NOTHING to back up what they say. In fact their Voting records show that they actually vote to make the problem issues worse but when it comes to Election time they Bullsh1t the people so much that the people actually believe them and keep voting them back in.

That's why it is imperative to put Terrm Limits in for all postions on the Federal level. Not only to protect the Democracy and general public from perpetual corrupt Politicians but also to protect the voters from themselves.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
That's a too common trait of the "Career Politicians" that they actually seem to represent the people by saying such things but they do NOTHING to back up what they say. In fact their Voting records show that they actually vote to make the problem issues worse but when it comes to Election time they Bullsh1t the people so much that the people actually believe them and keep voting them back in.

That's why it is imperative to put Terrm Limits in for all postions on the Federal level. Not only to protect the Democracy and general public from perpetual corrupt Politicians but also to protect the voters from themselves.

At least somebody's getting something right. The problem is not corrupt career politicians who are fiscally irresponsible, the problem is dumbass voters who continually elect (and re-elect) corrupt career politicians who are fiscally irresponsible!! It should surprise no one that in a nation awash in consumer debt and faithful to the creed of live for today, to heck with tomorrow, the government is spending itself into bankruptcy. Politicians who speak honestly about fiscal responsibility do not get elected. Look at the 1992 Democratic primaries - Paul Tsongas, ran as the anti-"pander bear", and lost. Fast forward to the 2000 race, and both candidates are falling over themselves trying to offer another costly entitlement (prescription drug benefits) to the elderly, nevermind that we can't pay for the entitlements we've already enacted.

Alexander Fraser Tytler's warning continues to ring true:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

And let's not forget:

"The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
That's a too common trait of the "Career Politicians" that they actually seem to represent the people by saying such things but they do NOTHING to back up what they say. In fact their Voting records show that they actually vote to make the problem issues worse but when it comes to Election time they Bullsh1t the people so much that the people actually believe them and keep voting them back in.

That's why it is imperative to put Terrm Limits in for all postions on the Federal level. Not only to protect the Democracy and general public from perpetual corrupt Politicians but also to protect the voters from themselves.

At least somebody's getting something right. The problem is not corrupt career politicians who are fiscally irresponsible, the problem is dumbass voters who continually elect (and re-elect) corrupt career politicians who are fiscally irresponsible!! It should surprise no one that in a nation awash in consumer debt and faithful to the creed of live for today, to heck with tomorrow, the government is spending itself into bankruptcy. Politicians who speak honestly about fiscal responsibility do not get elected. Look at the 1992 Democratic primaries - Paul Tsongas, ran as the anti-"pander bear", and lost. Fast forward to the 2000 race, and both candidates are falling over themselves trying to offer another costly entitlement (prescription drug benefits) to the elderly, nevermind that we can't pay for the entitlements we've already enacted.

Alexander Fraser Tytler's warning continues to ring true:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

And let's not forget:

"The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

What is that old statement that history shows as an eternal truth.

Wealth=power
Power=coruption
Absolute power = Absolute Coruption.


That is why the constitution was so grand, it put checks and balances on government. It worked for roughly 200 years or so. Now we are witness power in this country being controlled by wealth. Wealth from individuals, but moreso corporations.

That Wealth flowing into our system of government is a guarrantee of coruption.

when we let that wealth contol all of the power, We are doomed.

Power is a drug. Once you get a taste, you want more.

 

[Mursilis]

I worry less about wealth, and more about ignorance and apathy. If wealth mattered as much as people think, Steve Forbes or Ross Perot would've been president. Votes are still the currency of US politics (but of course money helps). When the electorate is as ignorant and apathetic as ours, and is swayed by sound bite politics and 30-second attack ads, then I fear for the republic.

 

[smashp]

votes are still a means to power, but withwealth being used to manipulate votes(fundraising,media, etc) the politicians are more concerned about catering to their lobbist groups and doners than the individuals that they are supposed to derive their power from.


30 second sound clips and ads are only afforded by those with the Wealth.