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Hero reviews

zener

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I wish I could understand more of what this film shows. Broken sword is my hero. Anyone very familiar with asian culture so as to be able to comment on this movie? I understand that this film isn't about martial art but more the understanding of what war is and isn't. I believe Broken Sword to have discovered the true meaning of war and the others didn't quite get it.
Anyway, this film ranks up there in my top 10. I need to see it again. I know I missed a lot.
 
I saw it before it was translated. Great film IMHO.

Edit: chinese version with subtitles that my friend got from Hong Kong. Had to call him and ask how to turn it on 😛
 
Originally posted by: jdiddy
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Personally it seems like a subtley communist flick. Greater good over personal goals.

I thought I was the only one who thought that.

hmm, never thought of it that way. i guess it does promote communist ideals.
 
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Personally it seems like a subtley communist flick. Greater good over personal goals.

The sentiment that one should sacrifice of oneself for a greater good is not communist. What about philanthropy? What about Military Service? These are both cornerstones of capitalist theory. What about child-rearing?

God, i hate stupid right-wingers who don't even understand their own ideology.
 
I still would like if someone could comment on the film from the perspective of culture. I have some infromation and understanding and from the expert reviews that I have read, I have yet to read one that is explains the different levels that exist in this film. Hollywood films seem so superficial in comparison and it was refreshing to see a film that challenged my thinking.
Being brought up in a dualist thinking western world is a handicap when I am learning that monism is more likely the reality. Dang those Christians!! LOL
Comments on dualism vs monism??
 
Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Personally it seems like a subtley communist flick. Greater good over personal goals.

The sentiment that one should sacrifice of oneself for a greater good is not communist. What about philanthropy? What about Military Service? These are both cornerstones of capitalist theory. What about child-rearing?

God, i hate stupid right-wingers who don't even understand their own ideology.

Yes, keeping the evil leader who's armies killed thousands of people and brought down many countries over your personal goals. Thats the same as philanthropy, child-rearing. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Personally it seems like a subtley communist flick. Greater good over personal goals.

The sentiment that one should sacrifice of oneself for a greater good is not communist. What about philanthropy? What about Military Service? These are both cornerstones of capitalist theory. What about child-rearing?

God, i hate stupid right-wingers who don't even understand their own ideology.

I'm not conservative, im liberal actually. What happens in Hero is farther from what you said because in philanthropy, you dont sacrfice your personal health for someone. In Military service you're serving your own country. In child rearing... it's your own child..
 
So moo, I read your take on religion. Do you have a take on the monism vs dualism thinking.
Ya know, ying-yang!!
 
Hmm to be honest im not familiar w/ the monism/dualism thing so i can't comment. But if i had to just pull sh1t out of my ass i would say that the emperor represents a yingyang. His slauughter of the many countries seems pretty bad. but when he unites the nations and establishes a standardized system/government, the people will be better off in the end. Ying yang =)
 
Originally posted by: zener
I still would like if someone could comment on the film from the perspective of culture. I have some infromation and understanding and from the expert reviews that I have read, I have yet to read one that is explains the different levels that exist in this film. Hollywood films seem so superficial in comparison and it was refreshing to see a film that challenged my thinking.
Being brought up in a dualist thinking western world is a handicap when I am learning that monism is more likely the reality. Dang those Christians!! LOL
Comments on dualism vs monism??

what are you asking about? 😕
What is dualism? a religion of two gods? I don't remember that in the film.
 
Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Personally it seems like a subtley communist flick. Greater good over personal goals.

The sentiment that one should sacrifice of oneself for a greater good is not communist. What about philanthropy? What about Military Service? These are both cornerstones of capitalist theory. What about child-rearing?

God, i hate stupid right-wingers who don't even understand their own ideology.

or everyone is ruled by a central force and who obeys slaughter of thousands so everyone can be treated equal.
 
Western religion, generally speaking Christianity separates good and evil hence dualism, hence God-Satan.
Monism deals with the idea that people have both good and evil and fluctuate between the two hence yin-yang. Monism also falls into place in when one dies, the body does not disappear but changes state. Dualism says that there is a seaparate soul from the body. The only way that one can explain the discrepancies in the Bible is by believing dualism. This is a very rough explanation. Please feel free to add to this or correct anything I may have missunderstood.
One other thing, if jesus is considered perfect then why does he become angry in the temple. If one believes in yin-yang, then it makes sense becasue he has much more good than bad but if one beleives in dualism then it is much harder to rationalize. Hope this helps.

 
I haven't seen the movie, but i've studied the period. It's probably the most important period in Chinese history.

China as we know it began about 220 bce under the Qin (pronounced roughly, Ch'in) dynasty. Before this time there were numerous smaller city's and provinces spread across the area which now encompasses China. Only along the Yellow river did any organized civilizations form, beginning with the Xia, followed by the slightly larger Shang. When the Zhou (pronounced roughly joe btw) replaced the Shang as rulers, they found themselves governing an area too large for one central seat of power. Knowing they must allow provincial rulers under them they developed the concept of 'the mandate of heaven' to quell any latent loyalty to the Shangs, and prevent rebellion. Basically the concept was that the 'emporer' was the 'son of heaven' and that his actions were ordered by the universe and were therefore beyond contestation. It's similar to the philosophy of divine right of monarchy.

So broad was Zhou's lands, however, that the far provinces eventually came to govern themselves almost completely, and thus rebelled against the central seat of Zhou. This led to the warring states period, which is the setting for Hero. It was a pretty awful time, and was on the verge of destroying the entire area. One of the rulers of the time, Qin (pronounced roughly, Ch'in), did eventually unite the lands and began the first true empirial dynasty, the Qin (from which China is named).

The most important aspects of China stemming from this time period were 'the mandate of heaven', and unification. Without becoming unified it is unlikely China could have grown into the power it is today (be that for good or ill). Without the mandate it is unlikely that China would have retained such central authority against the spread of democracy. Therefore the movie is mostly, as I see it, about the need for the good of china (unification) to surpass the desires and goals of individuals or even the concept of justice itself. There are other famous movies about the 3 assassins who came for Qin, though the names escape me at the moment.
 
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Personally it seems like a subtley communist flick. Greater good over personal goals.

That's also a utilitarian point of view, so it's not necessarily communist.

It is very utilitarian, but communism itself spouts very utilitarian views.
 
"Somebody out there know what I am talking about?? Anyone?? "

🙂 Yes, I do.

I haven't seen the movie yet... but I'm hoping to see it soon.
 
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