Here's what your kids are being taught in Tucson

[boomerang]

The language used in the video is NSFW. Although it is being read directly from textbooks used in the Ethnic Studies Curriculum within the Tucson school system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZzovZasFms&feature=player_embedded

Watch to the end when an official of the Tucson board states that the language not be mentioned because there may be young people in the room.

 

[Skitzer]

I'm sure this is happening in a lot more cities and towns than we know of.
Hopefully her issue will be corrected by the City Counsel but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[CPA]

That City Counselman is a total moron.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Well, apparently there are some books that should be burned. Aztlan? Fuck that.

 

[shira]

So let me get this straight: When ethic studies are being taught, we can't let students read the actual words of actual people. We can't let students see that historically there's been massive discontent and rage against America. We can't let students read about REAL attitudes about America. When students study Fidel Castro, we can't let them read the actual words of Castro. When students read about Malcolm X, we can't let them read the actual words of Malcolm X.

Instead, we must teach students that no one has any problems with America. No one uses foul language. No one is angry. Every historical figure must use nice words that are pro-America. Students must be taught that no one has different ideas about what constitutes a just society.

And I'll bet that this "vision" of what good ethnic studies education should be is coming from the same idiots who decry PC practices in other contexts.

 

[cwjerome]

Tucson Unified is practically a hostile work environment if you are not of the "la Raza" persuasion. Some of the inciting and blaming that goes on around there rivals the most liberal ethnic studies programs at universities. There's no place for that in public K-12. This is what Tom Horne and Jan Brewer were trying to remove.

There is a culture that is perfectly explicit about their beliefs: That the US illegally stole Mexican land and it rightly belongs to the Mexican people. That the white man is corrupt, capitalism evil, and Hispanics should reject both and make their own way. They are radicals, racists, and dangerous to American civic and social stability.

 

[cwjerome]

So let me get this straight: When ethic studies are being taught, we can't let students read the actual words of actual people. We can't let students see that historically there's been massive discontent and rage against America. We can't let students read about REAL attitudes about America. When students study Fidel Castro, we can't let them read the actual words of Castro. When students read about Malcolm X, we can't let them read the actual words of Malcolm X.

Instead, we must teach students that no one has any problems with America. No one uses foul language. No one is angry. Every historical figure must use nice words that are pro-America. Students must be taught that no one has different ideas about what constitutes a just society.

And I'll bet that this "vision" of what good ethnic studies education should be is coming from the same idiots who decry PC practices in other contexts.

Sure you can. But don't turn it into a propaganda machine, which is what it has become in the Tuscon area. When the context and perspective becomes unreasonable for K12 public ed, it's not PC to reign it in. Let them become hateful ignorants on the own dime in college.

 

[shira]

Sure you can. But don't turn it into a propaganda machine, which is what it has become in the Tuscon area. When the context and perspective becomes unreasonable for K12 public ed, it's not PC to reign it in. Let them become hateful ignorants on the own dime in college.

I don't know that this is true at all. In that video, the woman was reading excerpts from a book, without providing any context.

 

[CPA]

So let me get this straight: When ethic studies are being taught, we can't let students read the actual words of actual people. We can't let students see that historically there's been massive discontent and rage against America. We can't let students read about REAL attitudes about America. When students study Fidel Castro, we can't let them read the actual words of Castro. When students read about Malcolm X, we can't let them read the actual words of Malcolm X.

Instead, we must teach students that no one has any problems with America. No one uses foul language. No one is angry. Every historical figure must use nice words that are pro-America. Students must be taught that no one has different ideas about what constitutes a just society.

And I'll bet that this "vision" of what good ethnic studies education should be is coming from the same idiots who decry PC practices in other contexts.

For a third grader, No.

 

[cubby1223]

I don't know that this is true at all. In that video, the woman was reading excerpts from a book, without providing any context.

Do you suppose the teachers are providing adequate context?

At those young ages you are teaching the basics of learning, how to add numbers, how to spell words, what nouns and adjectives are.

Not that the United States is evil. Never anything that will cause moral & philosophical conflicts between the student and his/her parents, like as this stuff does.

Seriously. Are you crazy? I really have to question it here.

 

[alphatarget1]

I suppose this could be in a college class but having this in a k-12 textbook is grossly inappropriate.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The language used in the video is NSFW. Although it is being read directly from textbooks used in the Ethnic Studies Curriculum within the Tucson school system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZzovZasFms&feature=player_embedded

Watch to the end when an official of the Tucson board states that the language not be mentioned because there may be young people in the room.

OH man thats is so like the people who set themselves up high . Watch the language there may be young people in the room . This guy is clueless as to what the womens grip is .

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[Jaskalas]

You are witnessing the founding teachings of Republica del Norte. The training of the foot soldiers in a culture war where we lose a large portion of the United States to foreign invaders who have taken up residence by the 10s of millions.

Look up the University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor Charles Truxillo and his “Republica del Norte,” the Republic of the North. I've got a link to a copy of an old AP article featuring a small glimpse into the separatist movement from the University.

Now, from the OP here, it is quite clear that the movement has gained traction in Tucson where they are teaching their separatist anti-America identity to their public school children.

This is the birth of a new nation. What are you going to do about that?

 

[ShawnD1]

So let me get this straight: When ethic studies are being taught, we can't let students read the actual words of actual people. We can't let students see that historically there's been massive discontent and rage against America. We can't let students read about REAL attitudes about America. When students study Fidel Castro, we can't let them read the actual words of Castro. When students read about Malcolm X, we can't let them read the actual words of Malcolm X.

lol straight up Soviet Union style rewriting of history

 

[boomerang]

Sure you can. But don't turn it into a propaganda machine, which is what it has become in the Tuscon area. When the context and perspective becomes unreasonable for K12 public ed, it's not PC to reign it in. Let them become hateful ignorants on the own dime in college.

Well said and seeing as how you live in Arizona, you're probably even more aware of the depths of this issue than many of us. Students chaining themselves to desks in protest, professors leading rallies to take back the SW. Portions of Arizona wanting to form their own state. Fanning the La Raza flames.

We're a country divided, there can be no doubt about that. Black, white, brown. Red state, blue state. Liberal and conservative. Instead of assimilation, we now encourage enclaves of different groups, races and ethnicities. We encourage "taking back" lands lost in wars so long ago that the reasons should have become meaningless. But they're not meaningless, they're a reason to rage, a reason to seek vengeance.

The progressive sees this as all well and good. Fan the flames and stand back and watch the anger boil over into violence. Throw more money at those angry souls. Teach grade schoolers how to hate and teach them how to take a dick up their ass too. It's all good stuff.

I'm convinced we're doomed in this country. How long it will take I don't know but I'm certain it will be sooner rather than later. The name of the game is to keep us divided and very angry at each other. Human nature tells us where that will lead. Last time it was the blues and the grays. This time it will be the blacks the whites and the browns. The yellows will be smart enough to get out of dodge. Will it be winner takes all?

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm convinced we're doomed in this country. How long it will take I don't know but I'm certain it will be sooner rather than later. The name of the game is to keep us divided and very angry at each other. Human nature tells us where that will lead. Last time it was the blues and the grays. This time it will be the blacks the whites and the browns. The yellows will be smart enough to get out of dodge. Will it be winner takes all?

Interrupt food transportation and there will be nothing left for the winner to take.

 

[boomerang]

Moats and Alligators

 

[shira]

For a third grader, No.

I believe the woman in the video mentioned seeing the book in the hands of a sixth-grader.

People make up all kinds of sh!t just to stir the pot.

 

[CLite]

I don't know that this is true at all. In that video, the woman was reading excerpts from a book, without providing any context.

This.

She read a poem written by someone who obviously hates/hated the US. I believe when I grew up I read poems by native americans and they didn't shower us with praise. That doesn't mean I was raised to hate America and start a revolution, it just speaks to the diversity of education and reading about other people, even if they completely disagree with our viewpoints and frame of reference.

I can just imagine 50 years ago some woman standing up holding Catcher in the Rye claiming that it would corrupt the youth. Someone call out the morality police!

You are witnessing the founding teachings of Republica del Norte.

You are truly a sniveling coward.

 

[JockoJohnson]

You are witnessing the founding teachings of Republica del Norte. The training of the foot soldiers in a culture war where we lose a large portion of the United States to foreign invaders who have taken up residence by the 10s of millions.

Look up the University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor Charles Truxillo and his “Republica del Norte,” the Republic of the North. I've got a link to a copy of an old AP article featuring a small glimpse into the separatist movement from the University.

Now, from the OP here, it is quite clear that the movement has gained traction in Tucson where they are teaching their separatist anti-America identity to their public school children.

This is the birth of a new nation. What are you going to do about that?

Wow, you mean both California and Texas could be removed from the US in one fell swoop?

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

This.

She read a poem written by someone who obviously hates/hated the US. I believe when I grew up I read poems by native americans and they didn't shower us with praise. That doesn't mean I was raised to hate America and start a revolution, it just speaks to the diversity of education and reading about other people, even if they completely disagree with our viewpoints and frame of reference.

I can just imagine 50 years ago some woman standing up holding Catcher in the Rye claiming that it would corrupt the youth. Someone call out the morality police!



You are truly a sniveling coward.

Yes, and the book was being taught to third-graders. I'm all for teaching the real stuff, but 8 year olds and 12 year olds (6th graders) have a bit of trouble telling what is right and what is wrong. Kids can read this stuff in high school when they actually start thinking for themselves. Besides, there was some pretty vile language in that that isn't appropriate for little kids.

Edit: And Aztlan, Republica del Norte, whatever you want to call it, is a real thing. It's not some invention by the big bad white man. It comes from educated hispanics, who then teach it to the uneducated. It's an ideology for invading this country.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I see nothing wrong with any of it, other than the councilman freaking out about quoting the cussing. Education should be facts, not euphemisms, and that's what appears to be being offered. There's no reason to sugar coat history just because the hearers aren't 18 yet. This nation was founded by rape, abuse, theft, and destruction. Nothing being talked about in those books is in any way incorrect, just uncomfortable for people too stupid and too immoral to face their own reflections.

 

[boomerang]

I see nothing wrong with any of it, other than the councilman freaking out about quoting the cussing. Education should be facts, not euphemisms, and that's what appears to be being offered. There's no reason to sugar coat history just because the hearers aren't 18 yet. This nation was founded by rape, abuse, theft, and destruction. Nothing being talked about in those books is in any way incorrect, just uncomfortable for people too stupid and too immoral to face their own reflections.

Put the word 'fuck' in the title of a post here at the Forums and watch what happens.

Here's wiki about social mores.

Social mores

 

[PrinceofWands]

Put the word 'fuck' in the title of a post here at the Forums and watch what happens.

Here's wiki about social mores.

Social mores

Useless. Only truth matters, not social pressures. ANY attempt at enforcing 'social mores' is an evil to humanity. Political correctness is wrong, euphemism is wrong, false politeness is wrong. What matters is honesty, logic, reason, evidence, etc. Nothing else exists, or should.

 

[cwjerome]

I see nothing wrong with any of it, other than the councilman freaking out about quoting the cussing. Education should be facts, not euphemisms, and that's what appears to be being offered. There's no reason to sugar coat history just because the hearers aren't 18 yet. This nation was founded by rape, abuse, theft, and destruction. Nothing being talked about in those books is in any way incorrect, just uncomfortable for people too stupid and too immoral to face their own reflections.

That is a strange post for someone who supposedly weeps for common sense