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JustinTD79

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AMD Athlon 64 3500+ ClawHammer/Hammer 1GHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor - Retail Model #: ADA3500ASBOX

$267 at newegg
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MSI K8N Neo4/SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard ? Retail
Model #: K8N Neo4/SLI

$156 at newegg
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OCZ Value Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory ? Retail Model #: OCZ4001024WV3DC-K

$104.91 at newegg
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Leadtek PX6800TD-256M Geforce 6800 256MB 256-bit DDR PCI-Express x16 Video Card - Retail Model #: PX6800TDH-256M

$289 at newegg
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Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 73GB 10,000 RPM 8M Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM Model #: WD740GD

$183 at newegg
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How's that? Is it really worth it to get a PCI-e mobo and video card instead of a much cheaper AGP alternative? How much better is PCI-e? I'm kinda tempted to just get an AGP mobo and stick with my 128mb ATI Radeon 9700 Pro until good 512mb cards come out, but will all of those 512 cards be PCI-e anyway? The Raptor would be for windows and all programs, and I'd keep all of my data on a 250gb ATA drive that i already have. Would my current Antech TruePower 430w PSU be enough for this system?
 
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PCIe has NO benifit over AGP speed-wise, however some cards are cheaper for PCIe, most are the same for both, and PCIe motherboards have more features than AGP ones do. Don't worry about 512mb cards, for now, at least, there is no reason to want or get one.

If you go PCIe, you will probably want to get a 24pin power supply, especially if you get a powerful graphics card with it.
 
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I just read something saying that clawhammer Athlon 64's are old and not socket 939, but newegg said 939. Which is it? It said Venice is newer and better.

Also, are 24-pin PSU's something new? I dont even know what my 430w Antech is. I got it in 2003.
 
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JustinTD79

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nevermind about the PSU question.....i got it

With new motherboards supporting a 24 pin power connection (BATX) to the motherboard (the older connections were 20 pin ATX), make sure you get the correct one for your motherboard. Most new motherboards support the use of a 24 or 20 pin connector, but if you have to buy a new power supply, you might as well go with the 24 pin version, as it supplies more power to your PCI Express slot.
 
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Everyone is going to tell you to scrap that Clawhammer for a 3200+ Venice.

Don't listen to them ;)

That Clawhammer is almost guaranteed to hit 2.6 GHz & likely more (see thread in xtremesystems.org/forums) though, as it is actually thought to be just 4000+s & FX-53s that were marked down since they didn't make the cut.
Anyway, they seem to OC very well.

A Venice wouldn't be bad either, but frankly, i wouldn't count on them hitting the 2.8 or whatever it is they are preaching, since a lot haven't even gotten close.

All in all, it looks like a good system.

I would suggest getting an X800XL though, over the overpriced 6800 GTs (for PCI-e).
 
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Alright, do i get a 3200+ Venice at 2.0Ghz for $204.99 or a 3500+ Clawhammer at 2.4Ghz for $267? I don't really plan on overclocking anything. I've never owned an AMD processor and dont even know how.
 
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If you don't plan on OCing, then i'd recommend the cheapest 3500+ (regardless of what core it is) you can find.

Honestly though, OCing isn't too hard, & it's free performance :)

In the CPU/Overclocking section, there are a lotta people who will be happy to explain more detail if the guides that are already there don't make sense to you :)
 
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Originally posted by: JustinTD79
Alright, do i get a 3200+ Venice at 2.0Ghz for $204.99 or a 3500+ Clawhammer at 2.4Ghz for $267? I don't really plan on overclocking anything. I've never owned an AMD processor and dont even know how.
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You must be mistaken. The 2.4 GHz 939 Clawhammer is well over 450 dollars. You must be looking at the 2.2GHz Clawhamer.

It's really a shame you are afraid to over clock. I bought my 3200 Winchester socket 939 for 200 dollars and it was easily over clocked to 2.4 GHz from 2.0 GHz. So that saves me well over 200 dollars. Think about it.
 
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As far as video, does it matter what company manufactures the card? The cheapest for that X800XL was by Rosewill. Any good?
 
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Originally posted by: Regs
Originally posted by: JustinTD79
Alright, do i get a 3200+ Venice at 2.0Ghz for $204.99 or a 3500+ Clawhammer at 2.4Ghz for $267? I don't really plan on overclocking anything. I've never owned an AMD processor and dont even know how.
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You must be mistaken. The 2.4 GHz 939 Clawhammer is well over 450 dollars. You must be looking at the 2.2GHz Clawhamer.
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Yeah, my mistake. I'm not scared to overclock.....just never tried it.
 
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JustinTD79

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Originally posted by: n7
OCing voids the warranty.

I know people will think i'm retarded for recommending the Clawhammer over the Venice, so read this to understand why: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55388&highlight=3500
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Dude, i read that thread, and i have no clue what i just read, ha. I can't believe people know all of these little intricacies. Basically, you're saying i need to get the 3500+ clawhammer?
 
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Nah, you don't need to buy that one, but that's just what'd i'd buy if i was getting one (of course i'd be OCing), since they seem to get even more consistent great OCs than the Venices do.

Either will be good though. I mentioned the link because most people don't realize what a little gem that CPU is, even it is old tech (130 nm vs. 90 nm).
 
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