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here's a little food for thought... you think one day USA and the M.E. will be allys?

zanejohnson

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i mean, as much shit that we've put up with from them, and as much shit they they've put up with from us, you think one day in the future the two entities will become allied? kind of the way we are now allied with the western euro countries?
 

tweaker2

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Theocracies and plutocratic leaning democracies don't mix well. Each feels threatened by the other.
 

tommo123

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you mean in the way britain is allies with countries it used to own? same with rome? more to the point - germany after WW2?

yes, with attitude changes on both sides you can be allies with any country
 

Doppel

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Not in any of our life times. The ME in general is hundreds of years behind the West in terms of social and political progress. It will catch up much faster, since it doesn't have to trailblaze, but these countries are all rank shit holes and there will not be a common ground any time soon.
 

JEDIYoda

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never happen in our lifetime......too many other countries such as Russia and china have their hands in the cookie jar........
 

tweaker2

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Also, there's this ages-old religious chasm between Islam and Christianity. And let's not even think about the fundie extremists that both sides bring to the game.

IMO, the only way we could become "allies", and I use the term loosely, is if we experience an invasion of ruthless aliens from a neighboring galaxy.

And no, I don't mean any sentient beings from across our borders either. :p
 

Icepick

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The United States is already allied with Middle Eastern countries such as Turkey via NATO. We also prop up the Saudi Arabian military.

Eventually, we will be supporting Iran in much the same way to provide a counter-balance to Turkey's emerging power.
 

JTsyo

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The United States is already allied with Middle Eastern countries such as Turkey via NATO. We also prop up the Saudi Arabian military.

Eventually, we will be supporting Iran in much the same way to provide a counter-balance to Turkey's emerging power.
this. The ME is not one political unit. They might hate each other more than they hate the West.
 

Smoblikat

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hopefully not. Unless all those idiots die first and normal peple start to live there.
 

Kadarin

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Islam is not compatible with any religious or spiritual belief system that is not Islam. So, no...
 

Lemon law

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I certainly have no trouble envisioning such a scenario, as I can envision, a future Israel being part of that loose coalition. As the entire mid-east has a common problem in the lack of water. And all ME nations have to work together to solve the problem in the water and energy sectors.

Look at the "cold war" fears that lasted forty years, and now the US and Russia, as a Status quo nation, has forged a basic peace with the USA.
 

ViperXX

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Only way that will ever happen is if the earth is invaded by a violent alien race.
 

Tom

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Israel is one of our closest allies. We provide aid to Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Syrian rebels, among others.

So we are already "allies" with the Middle East.
 

tommo123

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you were allies with iran in the past no? same with afghanistan rebels, iraq too. they turned out well.

todays middle eastern allies are the ones who want to kill you tomorrow
 

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Schmide

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Freaking stop abbreviating things please.

How hard is it to write Middle East.
 

Fern

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i mean, as much shit that we've put up with from them, and as much shit they they've put up with from us, you think one day in the future the two entities will become allied? kind of the way we are now allied with the western euro countries?
We will become allied only when and only where our national interests coincide. I.e., no, it won't be like our relationship with Britain.

I will add that I don't consider the M.E. monolithic or unified like Europe is, so the question is a bit flawed.

And we are already to some extent with some M.E. countries.

Fern
 

Lemon law

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Freaking stop abbreviating things please.

How hard is it to write Middle East.
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Earth to Schmide, in the long long history of the world, the spelling police have never solved a single real world problem.
 
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i mean, as much shit that we've put up with from them, and as much shit they they've put up with from us, you think one day in the future the two entities will become allied? kind of the way we are now allied with the western euro countries?
Considering what they are saying they want for the western world... no..

They want you to die you know, and everyone of us.

It wouldn't matter if you begged them not to kill you, if they had you alone they would torture you with sticks up your arse (for some reason this is ALWAYS what they do) before they set fire to you or slowly behead you.

The western world is allied because we share the same values, despite my feelings for a patch chewing born again christian retard that has the intellect of a two year old with downs syndrome i still wouldn't want you to get hurt and if you were in trouble and it'd be in my power to help you i would. If it was up to a ME resident and he'd follow the MB or Hamas or AQ or AAq or what have you then he'd rather set you on fire.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the US allies with the Middle East in the future. It can basically shift its ties from European countries to other countries in the Middle East and eastern and southern Asia.
 

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