here is what you will be fined (TAXED) for not having health insurance

[EagleKeeper]

Here is an example of a health insurance exchange:
http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/

Found something similar for Colorado
Link

Problem is they are not operational for 15 months.

 

[OutHouse]

simple solution, sure no one forces you to drive/car insurance debate. To that same end, no one forces you to come to my hospital and seek out help

holy shit where do you people come from???

first off, if you ever fall and have your femur sticking out of your leg like a chopstick dont go to the hospital. there are far better choices out there. like a ace bandage and 4 Tylenol....

if you ever get in a bad accident and knocked out, dont worry the paramedics will just look through your wallet for your insurance card and if you dont have it they will just roll you off the road so you dont get hit again. if you do have your card then you are all good and they will save your life while hauling your sorry ass to the nearest hospital.

damn there are a bunch of cold hearted people in here. cold until its thir kid or loved one sick or hurt then they are saying, what ever it takes doc, what ever it takes just save my sons life!!

ok but you need to pay us 500K.

but i dont have it.

oh? well thats to bad, here is a a list to the local funeral homes i would start calling now... you made bad choices for not having the money so deal with it. it was nice meeting you, now if you will excuse me i have to see the patients who can pay me.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I do. It's lovely. It's $550 every 3 months, and I have a $3500+ a year deductible. I call it my "cure for cancer" insurance option. Meaning, it's only useful if I contract cancer. If you do the math. I'm paying $5500/y before any insurance even kicks in, so I don't even bother to go to the doctor.

With this universal health care. Trust me. I'll go to the emergency room every single time I have the sniffles so I can help bankrupt America like the rest of the idiots who aren't paying anything out of pocket (except this fine.)

Yes, b/c the hospitals won't come after you for the money, knowing that you have it. Good luck to those that think paying the fine is a better option.

 

[nobodyknows]

Riiiiiiiight.

If this had been passed by a Republican Congress and signed by President Romney, all of the people now whining about it would be saying it's "patriotic" to follow the law and to "pull your own weight".

You guys are transparent phonies.

LOL!

 

[glenn1]

holy shit where do you people come from???

first off, if you ever fall and have your femur sticking out of your leg like a chopstick dont go to the hospital. there are far better choices out there. like a ace bandage and 4 Tylenol....

if you ever get in a bad accident and knocked out, dont worry the paramedics will just look through your wallet for your insurance card and if you dont have it they will just roll you off the road so you dont get hit again. if you do have your card then you are all good and they will save your life while hauling your sorry ass to the nearest hospital.

damn there are a bunch of cold hearted people in here. cold until its thir kid or loved one sick or hurt then they are saying, what ever it takes doc, what ever it takes just save my sons life!!

ok but you need to pay us 500K.

but i dont have it.

oh? well thats to bad, here is a a list to the local funeral homes i would start calling now... you made bad choices for not having the money so deal with it. it was nice meeting you, now if you will excuse me i have to see the patients who can pay me.

If you don't have the money, then try to steal it honestly rather than being a fucking coward and having the government do your dirty work. You want to take food out of my child's mouth to pay for yours instead, then at least have the balls to take it from me directly. Come try to mug me or rob my house, so I have equal opportunity to shoot your ass while defending my livelihood and ability to pay for my own medical expenses if needed.

 

[OutHouse]

If you don't have the money, then try to steal it honestly rather than being a fucking coward and having the government do your dirty work. You want to take food out of my child's mouth to pay for yours instead, then at least have the balls to take it from me directly. Come try to mug me or rob my house, so I have equal opportunity to shoot your ass while defending my livelihood and ability to pay for my own medical expenses if needed.

who is taking food out of your kids mouth?

 

[nehalem256]

who is taking food out of your kids mouth?

Liberals. They take your money in taxes and then use it to provide food for people who decided to have kids they could not afford.

See WIC which feeds 53% of infants in the US.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Anytime something is brought up you say it does not affect you.

So either you are full of shit or in the $200,000 or higher club that Obama defines as rich.

So are you a wannabee that makes less than $200,000 or do you make more than $200,000?

It could be a combined income.

For one, please learn how to quote properly.

Secondly, you claim I'm rich, I don't. I'm upper middle class, at best.

Thirdly, back to the topic at hand: unless I'm mistaken, Obama (your messiah) has said on several occasions that anyone with a current health insurance plan won't pay a dime more and therefore, won't be affected. Is this true or not? If you believe what Obama says, I'm not affected (note: HE said it, not me) and most middle Americans with health insurance won't be affected either.

 

[OutHouse]

Liberals. They take your money in taxes and then use it to provide food for people who decided to have kids they could not afford.

See WIC which feeds 53% of infants in the US.

would you rather the kids suffer and be malnourished instead? is that your proposal??


fyi, i was a ssgt in the airforce with 10 years of service. guess what, with our one daughter i qualified for WIC. you bet your ass i used it.

 

[nehalem256]

would you rather the kids suffer and be malnourished instead? is that your proposal??


fyi, i was a ssgt in the airforce with 10 years of service. guess what, with our one daughter i qualified for WIC. you bet your ass i used it.

I would rather see people feed their own kids or not have them.

 

[highland145]

I would rather see people feed their own kids or not have them.

True but you'd think the USAF would pay a little better.

 

[werepossum]

What's coming our way. Don't let the ardent supporters tell you otherwise.

The Lemon

A Poem - author unknown.

Father must I go to work?
No, my lucky son.
We're living now on Easy Street.
On dough from Washington.

We've left it up to Uncle Sam,
So don't get exercised.
Nobody has to give a damn-
We've all been subsidized.

But if Sam treats us all so well
And feeds us milk and honey,
Please, Daddy, tell me what the hell
He's going to use for money.

Don't worry, bub, there's not a hitch
In this here noble plan-
He simply soaks the filthy rich
And helps the common man.

But, Father, won't there come a time
When they run out of cash
And we have left them not a dime
When things will go to smash?

My faith in you is shrinking, son,
You nosy little brat;
You do too damn much thinking, son,
To be a Democrat.

+1

I do. It's lovely. It's $550 every 3 months, and I have a $3500+ a year deductible. I call it my "cure for cancer" insurance option. Meaning, it's only useful if I contract cancer. If you do the math. I'm paying $5500/y before any insurance even kicks in, so I don't even bother to go to the doctor.

With this universal health care. Trust me. I'll go to the emergency room every single time I have the sniffles so I can help bankrupt America like the rest of the idiots who aren't paying anything out of pocket (except this fine.)

We're not nearly at universal (meaning single payer government run) health care now. When we are, it won't matter if you want to go to the emergency room, because health care will be rationed by waiting times. You'll be encouraged to see a family practitioner or doc-in-the-box instead because the wait will be an hour or two rather than eight to twelve.

Can someone point me towards a link or tell me how someone that doesn't have insurance gets helped in this system?

All I'm seeing is that you are required to somehow purchase it or get taxed.

So if you're poor you still don't have insurance but you don't get taxed and operate as you do now or is there some provision that insurers cover them or does medicare/medicaid take care of them?

I can't point you to the section of the law, but if you're poor you can get subsidies to help afford health insurance. In fact, you can get subsidies if your family income is up to (I think) $88,000 - almost twice median income. And if you have pre-existing conditions, you'll be able to take advantage of high risk pools which (I think) will be partially subsidized as well. Offsetting that will be the rising cost of insurance as the bureaucrats find new entitlements and ailments that all health insurance plans must cover.

 

[nehalem256]

True but you'd think the USAF would pay a little better.

Its not as bad as you think
http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/money/basic-pay-active-duty-soldiers.html

For a staff sergeant with 6yr experience it would be $34,636

But then http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/total-compensation.html

Tack on
Housing allowance
Food allowance
Free healthcare

And it comes out to $53,960

Not too bad.

 

[EagleKeeper]

True but you'd think the USAF would pay a little better.

For the first 3-4 years, you do not get paid what you would get on the outside.

The bean counters say that the extra benefits compensate. They do not in the beginning.

Example:
I had 2 children in my early years that were qualified for free/reduce lunch meals at the local school.
Yet, the Air Force had us living in a 3 bd ranch house. Only because of lack of base housing for enlisted. Senior NCOs were taking junior officer housing (duplexes) because junior NCOs could not afford to live off base.

Base hospital did not have facilities for an illness on my wife; we had the choice to drive 200 miles to Atlanta for a specialist or fly to Tx for military specialist.

 

[highland145]

Family of 4 can make $41.3K. Higher than I would have thought.

http://www.operationthreshold.org/n...lease-archives/147-wic-2011-income-guidelines



$53.9K is not bad at all.

 

[Wreckem]

Its not as bad as you think
http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/money/basic-pay-active-duty-soldiers.html

For a staff sergeant with 6yr experience it would be $34,636

But then http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/total-compensation.html

Tack on
Housing allowance
Food allowance
Free healthcare

And it comes out to $53,960

Not too bad.

You do realize, that to have 6 years experience at the E6 level, that would require 10-13+ years of service depending on how active promotions are.

Takes the majority of people that get to E6, 7 years to get there. Not everyone gets there either.

 

[Wreckem]

Family of 4 can make $41.3K. Higher than I would have thought.

http://www.operationthreshold.org/n...lease-archives/147-wic-2011-income-guidelines



$53.9K is not bad at all.

WICs financial guidelines are 185% of federal poverty levels.

 

[unokitty]

fyi, i was a ssgt in the airforce with 10 years of service. guess what, with our one daughter i qualified for WIC. you bet your ass i used it.

Sarge,

I appreciate your service. But I think that its unfortunate that you needed government assistance to raise your daughter. I've always thought it better to be independent.

Let me give you an example, we had a hurricane here a few years back. Lost power for seven to ten days. National Guard set up a few blocks away giving out MREs, ice, and water.

I never went to get anything. Hurricane supplies for me are just 24 cans of albacore tuna, a like number of cans of fruit cocktail, 7 gallons of water, and 48 cans of cat food for the boys (my tom cats).

Now, I just couldn't stand the thought that I would pick up something that I didn't need and the Guard might be out of MREs when some single mother, that would be in need, would come by... Though, a few of my neighbours thought it peculiar that I would turn down 'free' government assistance.

If you needed government assistance to raise your daughter while you were in the Air Force, then I think that their pay scales need to be adjusted. (Which is a different problem than is being discussed here.)

Again, I think that it is unfortunate that you needed government assistance to raise your daughter. And I don't blame you for seeking it.

But from my perspective, I would much rather see government assistance reserved for people that are in a temporary difficult situation rather than planning on people in the military needing it to raise their families. That is, from my perspective the preferred solution is to assist people to become independent rather than giving them just enough so that they stay dependent on the government.

Best of luck,
Uno
--Who never took home more that $225/month as a US Army Sp4.

 

[nehalem256]

You do realize, that to have 6 years experience at the E6 level, that would require 10-13+ years of service depending on how active promotions are.

Takes the majority of people that get to E6, 7 years to get there.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_pay_scale.asp

It says cumulative years of service. Which I read to mean total years served not just years served at a particular rank. In fact look at the pay for the O-10 grade. Apparently for the first 20 years of that rank you do not get paid

Please feel free to correct me if I am misreading.

 

[highland145]

WICs financial guidelines are 185% of federal poverty levels.

Yes but is that the case for this situation, counting the benefits (nearly $20K)?

 

[umbrella39]

holy shit where do you people come from???

Jobs that offer insurance for people smart enough to take advantage of it.

Those who OPT OUT and decide they'd rather have a larger paycheck each week have made their choice. To fuck me and everyone who works with me at the hospital when you get sick/injured and can't pay. Why should I have compassion for someone who has none for themselves.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Well, the insurance companies were instrumental in crafting the bill. "yea sure, we'll cover pre-existing conditions, as long as it swells our customer base, and punish people that don't buy our product mkthanx" You go progressives.

x1000

No matter how hard they try not to, they always seems to be feeding the machine of corporate corruption.

 

[OutHouse]

Its not as bad as you think
http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/money/basic-pay-active-duty-soldiers.html

For a staff sergeant with 6yr experience it would be $34,636

But then http://www.goarmy.com/benefits/total-compensation.html

Tack on
Housing allowance
Food allowance
Free healthcare

And it comes out to $53,960

Not too bad.

yes pay has gone up a little....

i got out in 1997 and made a whopping $1,577.70 a month. I lived on base so no BAQ, free health care is a clinic and good luck in getting your dependents a appointment. i got about an extra 120 a month in BAS. after taxes, on the 1st and 15th my paycheck was 800 bucks. yea so about 400 bucks a week, 57 dollars a day.

i still have my final leave and earning statement, ill scan it if you need proof or you can just look here.

http://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/militarypaytables.html

 

[Charles Kozierok]

BTW, it's a penalty, not a tax. If you don't believe me, just ask Mitt Romney.

 

[nehalem256]

yes pay has gone up a little....

i got out in 1997 and made a whopping $1,577.70 a month. I lived on base so no BAQ, free health care is a clinic and good luck in getting your dependents a appointment. i got about an extra 120 a month in BAS. after taxes, on the 1st and 15th my paycheck was 800 bucks. yea so about 400 bucks a week, 57 dollars a day.

i still have my final leave and earning statement, ill scan it if you need proof or you can just look here.

http://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/militarypaytables.html

So did your wife and kids live on base with you then? Or how did that work?