Here is a political morality debate for Democrats for your consideration:

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Moonbeam

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I think it's a gamble attempting to ratfuck the worst candidate into being your opponent. That worst candidate could end up winning and doing more harm than the lesser worst candidate if that candidate won. And at the same time, it's possible that by ratfucking the worst candidate into being your opponent, it could result in you winning and there being even less harm done. It becomes a sliding scale.

Morality is irrelevant. It's a subjective idea. If morality mattered Donald Trump would have lost every single district in 2016, and yet he was able to legitimately win the election (is the Electoral College moral? It's irrelevant).

Should the best possible candidates be the only candidates that can win? Yes. Is that how politics in general and US politics specifically works? Nope. Morality is irrelevant in politics. Being Jesus Christ or the Flying Spaghetti Monster and losing to Donald Trump means your policy agenda is meaningless while an outright fascist sets about destroying anything he can't personally take possession of. Morality is irrelevant.
Your whole post, in my opinion, is one big moral complaint, not that it is irrelevant but that does not always prevail. If it were irrelevant why would choice be a gamble. A gamble means there are stakes. You complain because deep down you know that virtue is it's own reward, it's only reward in fact, but we were all told we don't deserve to feel it so we don't know just how tremendous that reward is. It isn't irrelevant, it is all that matters. Don't forget that religion is the opiate of the masses and who cares, when you are high on endorphins, where they came from. Attitude is everything so try to have a good one. There isn't a fascist on Earth who will ever be happy.
 

woolfe9998

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My opinion is that within the confines of the law, we must be pragmatic and do whatever we can to defeat republicans because we are on the verge of losing what is left of our democracy. That said, it's a risky game to support extremist republicans in their primaries. If someone like Mastriano in PA ends up winning the governorship it will be a terrible outcome. Not only does he hobknob with white supremacists and neo-Nazis, but he would almost certainly refuse to ever certifity any outcome in the dem's favor in a POTUS election. So I'm not so sure that these are risks worth taking.
 
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Moonbeam

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My opinion is that within the confines of the law, we must be pragmatic and do whatever we can to defeat republicans because we are on the verge of losing what is left of our democracy. That said, it's a risky game to support extremist republicans in their primaries. If someone like Mastriano in PA ends up winning the governorship it will be a terrible outcome. Not only does he hobknob with white supremacists and neo-Nazis, but he would almost certainly refuse to ever certifity any outcome in the dem's favor in a POTUS election. So I'm not so sure that these are risks worth taking.
I keep seeing a time when the moral choice we have left will be far more consequential, surrender to fascist rule of head to the concentration camps. I hear that warning about how we put off the chance for real choice until it is too late.
 

HomerJS

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My opinion is that within the confines of the law, we must be pragmatic and do whatever we can to defeat republicans because we are on the verge of losing what is left of our democracy. That said, it's a risky game to support extremist republicans in their primaries. If someone like Mastriano in PA ends up winning the governorship it will be a terrible outcome. Not only does he hobknob with white supremacists and neo-Nazis, but he would almost certainly refuse to ever certifity any outcome in the dem's favor in a POTUS election. So I'm not so sure that these are risks worth taking.

A lot of Republicans hob nob with white supremacists. Why doesn’t that tag stick to them like defund the police stick with Democrats? That’s the kind of propaganda Democrats need to actively promote. That is the kind of throat punch attitude Democrats need more.
 

hal2kilo

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My opinion is that within the confines of the law, we must be pragmatic and do whatever we can to defeat republicans because we are on the verge of losing what is left of our democracy. That said, it's a risky game to support extremist republicans in their primaries. If someone like Mastriano in PA ends up winning the governorship it will be a terrible outcome. Not only does he hobknob with white supremacists and neo-Nazis, but he would almost certainly refuse to ever certifity any outcome in the dem's favor in a POTUS election. So I'm not so sure that these are risks worth taking.
Yea, it could be playing with fire, but after the results of the vote on keeping abortion rights in the Kansas constitution coming out the way they have, it got a lot less risky IMHO.