Here comes the iPhone 4S' scandal: Batterygate?

[gsaldivar]

Then appends the title with the term "Batterygate" because it is a battery issue and also gate which derives from the Watergate scandal. Appending gate to a term has negative connotations

So what? Why do you feel the need to defend Apple from negative connotations? They screwed up, iFans launched into defend Apple mode, then Apple admitted there was a problem and promised a fix. End of story, right?

 

[cheezy321]

So what? Why do you feel the need to defend Apple from negative connotations? They screwed up, iFans launched into defend Apple mode, then Apple admitted there was a problem and promised a fix. End of story, right?

Why do you and most phandroids on this forum feel the need to blow things completely out of proportion, specifically when it comes to apple?

Ex: your sig

 

[foghorn67]

Why do you and most phandroids on this forum feel the need to blow things completely out of proportion, specifically when it comes to apple?

Ex: your sig

Pot meet Kettle.

 

[cheezy321]

Pot meet Kettle.

You throw out a lot of accusations and never back them up. Please point out something that I wrote on this forum that blows a small flaw in android out of proportion.

 

[Fire&Blood]

You throw out a lot of accusations and never back them up. Please point out something that I wrote on this forum that blows a small flaw in android out of proportion.

Not sure if serious

 

[cheezy321]

Not sure if serious

Still waiting...prove it

 

[Fire&Blood]

Still waiting...prove it

It's not worth it, going through your profile and look up your posting history.

Recent example I can do is that you and a couple of other barged into my Android user thread, disliked the poll result and boldly proclaimed that people voted for WP7 as best Android alternative "only because they hate iOS" because there are no other "valid reasons" to choose anything but iOS.
If that's not arrogance stemming from blind hate, I don't know what is.
You and zenzero (who apparently got banned for too much Android hate) were a notch above all others.

 

[badb0y]

This is the difference between Android and iOS. Android apps are true multitasking, so the app (or at the very least an update service) is running in the background, and periodically refreshing, or actively receiving info from something. With iOS the app isn't (supposed to be) running or refreshing in the background. It should be receiving push notifications, which happen whether the app is running or not. Windows Phone 7 works the same way. The app itself doesn't actually refresh until you open it. Some of the Apple apps and other apps work a little differently and actually do refresh in the background after a push is received, email for example. One issue with this Facebook app could be that the app never actually shuts down, so instead of just getting push notifications, it's actively running and taking battery.

What's so bad about receiving push notifications versus true multi-tasking? Serves the same purpose doesn't it? Like if someone posts a comment on my wall I will get a notification which will prompt me to open the app anyways.

 

[Aikouka]

i think apple opened up location services with more API's. foursquare prompts me to go someplace so i know it's monitoring my location.

i bet developers jumped on this and are constantly polling for location. even in apps that don't really need.

I don't think this is the case, because as I mentioned, it's possible for me to kill the app, reopen it and it stops the constant data polling. If I were a betting man, I'd put money down on "software bug."

One issue with this Facebook app could be that the app never actually shuts down, so instead of just getting push notifications, it's actively running and taking battery.

One thing I tried to be very clear about is that I didn't "minimize" the Facebook app... I left it open and locked my phone. I also mentioned that in my experiences with other apps, it appears that apps will continue to run like normal when you lock your screen. It's essentially the equivalent of turning off your monitor at home and letting stuff run with it off.

Although, the one thing I don't know is that iOS has a lot of power saving states built into it, and I wonder if having an app open while locked would still allow it to enter a sleep mode.

But anyway... the point is that the Facebook app definitely was running when I lost 10%; however, if I used it right now, left it open and locked my phone, it wouldn't have the same problem. The reason is that right now when Facebook updates, it takes maybe 3-5 seconds and it's done (all connectivity ceases). With this bug that I saw, the updating process never stopped even though I was seeing very recent posts on my feed.

I actually just opened Facebook on my phone right now, and it's exhibiting the same problem again. It started updating and about 5 seconds after that, all of the new posts appeared, but the swirly connection icon never went away. If I scroll up to the top, the Facebook app still says it's updating even though everything (including thumbnails) is loaded.

 

[WelshBloke]

What's so bad about receiving push notifications versus true multi-tasking? Serves the same purpose doesn't it? Like if someone posts a comment on my wall I will get a notification which will prompt me to open the app anyways.

Theres nothing particularly bad about it its just a different way of doing it (although with android you get the choice of both ways) as the guy you quoted said. Not sure why you are assuming he thinks its bad, its slightly more limited but its nothing big.

 

[foghorn67]

You throw out a lot of accusations and never back them up. Please point out something that I wrote on this forum that blows a small flaw in android out of proportion.

You may want to redact that. I'll gladly do that soon.

 

[shortylickens]

Ok guys, seriously, you need to stop. Talk about the god damn phone or get out.
The mods are not liking this nonsense every time we have an iPhone thread. And it kills the desire for people genuinely seeking help.

 

[akugami]

So what? Why do you feel the need to defend Apple from negative connotations? They screwed up, iFans launched into defend Apple mode, then Apple admitted there was a problem and promised a fix. End of story, right?

So aside from talking about how I post, do you have anything to add about what parts of my post were inaccurate, wrong, or biased? If not, you're like the other two or three guys trying to attack my personality and not what I wrote.

You conveniently ignore my first post which can not be taken as anything other than unbiased. In fact, anyone who is not biased would even say that it does not paint Apple in a good light. Instead you concentrate on my second post when I corrected the inaccuracies of the OP. What's funny is none of you can even prove I'm wrong or biased in my comments.

Last I will comment about this in this thread. If you, or any one of the others who can't seem to prove me wrong or even prove that what I posted was biased, want to continue the conversation, feel free to take it to PM's.

 

[badb0y]

Theres nothing particularly bad about it its just a different way of doing it (although with android you get the choice of both ways) as the guy you quoted said. Not sure why you are assuming he thinks its bad, its slightly more limited but its nothing big.

Thanks for clearing that up, I interpreted his post the wrong way lol.

 

[trmiv]

What's so bad about receiving push notifications versus true multi-tasking? Serves the same purpose doesn't it? Like if someone posts a comment on my wall I will get a notification which will prompt me to open the app anyways.

Who said it was bad? I was just pointing out how it works. I own an iPhone 4S, btw.

 

[zinfamous]

Still waiting...prove it

android poll thread.

you're all over it--with unbridled nerd rage.


...just sayin'

 

[pm]

Ok, zinfamous, foghorn67, akugami, Rick James Astley, cheezy321 and gsaldivar, you guys need to cut this out. In this thread and in future threads. This sort of "he said, he said" stuff goes on too often nowadays.

You will point fingers and blame the other "side", but all of you are part of the problem. We all understand that there are two primary mobile OS's and that some people who really like one, don't really like the other. But we do not need a "who is the bigger operating system fanatic" post contest in every controversial thread in the forum.

This iPhone 4S battery issue is a real problem. It affects some, it doesn't affect others. And meanwhile, instead of discussing it, we are discussing the usual "but you are a bigger fan than I am" stuff.

This is a warning to cut it out, and to cut it out for a while. I can look the other way in the "Android gained xx% marketshare threads", but if someone posts up a problem that they are having and it turns into another one of these "who is drinking kool-aid, who is a phandroid" discussions, I'll infract the bunch of you for thread crapping.

Moderator PM

 

[WelshBloke]

I guess some of the reduced battery life is inevitable if theres more stuff going on in the background.

If the phone is uploading a lot of stuff up to the cloud, communicating with Siris servers or just letting backgrounded tasks do a little more then the battery is going to take a bit of a hit.

 

[MotionMan]

Apple just released a 5.0.1 to developers to fix this battery bug, so I'm certain it's a real problem.

Personally, I have gotten that problem for a while now. Usually my phone could last over 2 days, but after the 5.0 update, it barely lasted over a day and a half. Going to see how much it does now with 5.0.1.

http://osxdaily.com/2011/11/04/appl...5-0-1-with-battery-fixes-beta-2-out-for-devs/

MotionMan

 

[badb0y]

Turned off iMessage and that's about all I did. I didn't make any phone calls and used my phone mostly for Internet and some games.

 

[WelshBloke]

Turned off iMessage and that's about all I did. I didn't make any phone calls and used my phone mostly for Internet and some games.

Is that standard for an iPhone? It looks a little low, I get about double that on my SGS2 (I have the 2000mah battery).

 

[saratoga172]

Is that standard for an iPhone? It looks a little low, I get about double that on my SGS2 (I have the 2000mah battery).

Look at the usage. That's how much the phone had been used for calls, texts, games, music etc. and over a day side the last full charge. Pretty good IMO. Way better than my bionic. A little better than my 4s

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

 

[WelshBloke]

Look at the usage. That's how much the phone had been used for calls, texts, games, music etc. and over a day side the last full charge. Pretty good IMO. Way better than my bionic. A little better than my 4s

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

Ah, cheers. Be nice if there was a way of comparing battery life easily in phones.

Personally I think if you can get to 18-20 hours with fairly heavy usage then the battery life isn't an issue (which looks like the case here).

 

[Mopetar]

Ah, cheers. Be nice if there was a way of comparing battery life easily in phones.

Anand usually has pretty good battery life statistics for a number of different use cases in his phone reviews. It world be nice if he made an actual benchmark that combined talk time, data use, web browsing on WiFi, and general use.

 

[Lyfer]

No problems here (knock on wood). Though I'm always near a charger.