Here comes the dirty part of the campaign.

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Lifer
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Seems the McCain campaign surrogates have launched a new campaign this Sunday. On the Sunday opinion shows EVERY one of them kept bringing up Obama's "terrorist" ties.
I guess thats how you can tell the election is in the home stretch.
BTW I am pleasantly surprised at the campaign of Obama. It is one of the most issue oriented, least vicious attack campaigns in many years.

Either way its gonna be an interesting 4 weeks.

 

Farang

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I remember you as the guy who was in the bag for Clinton and wouldn't stop posting stupid crap about Obama.

Anyway 538 said something interesting which is that McCain's favorability ratings have taken a hit recently and if you combine that with the fact that that the Ayers/Rezko/Wright stories of before were driven by investigative journalism and not political ads, these new attacks have the chance of making McCain fall flat on his face.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Farang
these new attacks have the chance of making McCain fall flat on his face.

Ya, I have that feeling too. McCain is struggling already with the "this campaign will be honorable and all about the issues" and he has been so negative and ... distortional. Going hardcore negative may just backfire and insure his loss.

Then again, based on his actions in the past few weeks, maybe he wants Obama to win. He seems to be handing victory to him. =)
 

Butterbean

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Obama does associate and feel comfy with terrorists and radicals. Heck the mysterious mentor "Frank" in his autobiography was Frank Marshall Davis a member of Communist Party. Obama has worked for the criminal ACORN (lots of convictions folks - and doing the same voter fraud this year) and he was trained in (and has taught) Alinsky community organization tactics (attack people not institutions, look middle class and not radical, use ridicule as a weapon and keep attacking etc). Of course Obama did go to a very racist lib theology church (neo Marxism at its most illustrative). Only a real psychotic could believe BO when he said he didnt know what was up. These are reasons people like Daniel Ortega like BO and say he is laying foundations for "revolutionary change" (Danny's words). BO is a real stinker that you have to be lost in your head to support (and lots of faux "Americans" are). BO was once trying to say he was for a new type of politics but he and the media have taken things to new lows by accusing people of racism for not voting for this weirdo and for things like "truth squads" and donor intimidation. Heck even the NY Slimes writes openly about these things and still people hold on to desperate rationalizations. It was so obvious today that the NY Times is doing propaganda for BO by saying he didn't really know "that bomber" when its plain he did. Their whitewash of the Annenberg Foundation program in Chicago with Obam/Ayers was spectacular prevarication. Obama wants to be our Chavez and the NY Times wants to help. Good Americans cant vote for Obama - dont let them fool you kids
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Obama does associate and feel comfy with terrorists and radicals. Heck the mysterious mentor "Frank" in his autobiography was Frank Marshall Davis a member of Communist Party. Obama has worked for the criminal ACORN (lots of convictions folks - and doing the same voter fraud this year) and he was trained in (and has taught) Alinsky community organization tactics (attack people not institutions, look middle class and not radical, use ridicule as a weapon and keep attacking etc). Of course Obama did go to a very racist lib theology church (neo Marxism at its most illustrative). Only a real psychotic could believe BO when he said he didnt know what was up. These are reasons people like Daniel Ortega like BO and say he is laying foundations for "revolutionary change" (Danny's words). BO is a real stinker that you have to be lost in your head to support (and lots of faux "Americans" are). BO was once trying to say he was for a new type of politics but he and the media have taken things to new lows by accusing people of racism for not voting for this weirdo and for things like "truth squads" and donor intimidation. Heck even the NY Slimes writes openly about these things and still people hold on to desperate rationalizations. It was so obvious today that the NY Times is doing propaganda for BO by saying he didn't really know "that bomber" when its plain he did. Their whitewash of the Annenberg Foundation program in Chicago with Obam/Ayers was spectacular prevarication. Obama wants to be our Chavez and the NY Times wants to help. Good Americans cant vote for Obama - dont let them fool you kids

You forgot about the Space Aliens and Satan.
 

Carmen813

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Obama does associate and feel comfy with terrorists and radicals. Heck the mysterious mentor "Frank" in his autobiography was Frank Marshall Davis a member of Communist Party. Obama has worked for the criminal ACORN (lots of convictions folks - and doing the same voter fraud this year) and he was trained in (and has taught) Alinsky community organization tactics (attack people not institutions, look middle class and not radical, use ridicule as a weapon and keep attacking etc). Of course Obama did go to a very racist lib theology church (neo Marxism at its most illustrative). Only a real psychotic could believe BO when he said he didnt know what was up. These are reasons people like Daniel Ortega like BO and say he is laying foundations for "revolutionary change" (Danny's words). BO is a real stinker that you have to be lost in your head to support (and lots of faux "Americans" are). BO was once trying to say he was for a new type of politics but he and the media have taken things to new lows by accusing people of racism for not voting for this weirdo and for things like "truth squads" and donor intimidation. Heck even the NY Slimes writes openly about these things and still people hold on to desperate rationalizations. It was so obvious today that the NY Times is doing propaganda for BO by saying he didn't really know "that bomber" when its plain he did. Their whitewash of the Annenberg Foundation program in Chicago with Obam/Ayers was spectacular prevarication. Obama wants to be our Chavez and the NY Times wants to help. Good Americans cant vote for Obama - dont let them fool you kids

If you are a good American, than I am glad that I'm a bad one.
 

ProfJohn

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The dirty part of the campaign has been going on for a LONG time. You are just to blind to notice.

Within a few days of being announced the NY Times reported that Sarah Palin once talked about banning books.

20 months after announcing his candidacy for President the NY Times finally gets around to talking about Bill and Ayers and Obama's relationship.

There has been more coverage on Sarah Palin's time as mayor than on Obama's time as a State Senator.

BTW didn't Hillary and Co. complain about media bias towards Obama too?
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The dirty part of the campaign has been going on for a LONG time. You are just to blind to notice.

Within a few days of being announced the NY Times reported that Sarah Palin once talked about banning books.

20 months after announcing his candidacy for President the NY Times finally gets around to talking about Bill and Ayers and Obama's relationship.

There has been more coverage on Sarah Palin's time as mayor than on Obama's time as a State Senator.

BTW didn't Hillary and Co. complain about media bias towards Obama too?

Media bias? MAybe... I mean, they are human and have political opinions. Many of them believe that Obama is the answer... so do the majority of Americans. Deal with it and stop whining about it.

You know why he is winning? its not the liberal media, its that the other side has NOTHING to offer.
 

AllWhacked

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Whoever is running McCain's campaign is retarded. The Republican base is pissed that McCain is not bringing up the Community Reinvestment Act and how the Dems blocked attempts to regulate FMae/FMac, even when it was clear something was wrong with them.

I read that the McCain campaign thinks that the argument to link the two is TOO complex and that it would turn off voters. Personally, I think going after the Ayers and Rezko linkage is even more complex and will do nothing to help him. In fact, my friends who are Democrat were shocked to learn of the CRA and now might vote Republican because of it.

Anyway, back to Obama. Even if he regularly has beers with Ayers, it's not like we expect Obama to blow up the Pentagon. Also, Ayers did this crap 30+ years ago. That's old news. No one gives a crap that he hangs with commies and terrorist A-holes! People who are already inclined to vote for Obama, will probably feel more justified for voting for him for just those same reasons.

What bothers me is that I keep hearing Biden and Obama slam the Republicans on the economy and blaming deregulation for causing this mess. While I won't blame just the Dems, because the Republicans have a hand in it too, McCain's populist bullshit response about greed in WallStreet is a lame argument that is going to lose him the election.

On the flip side to McCain's campaign being retarded, I've also heard the rumor that all this talk about going after Ayers and Rezko is secretly a ploy by McCain to pretend to attack Obama on this, while in fact attacking the Dems on their involvement in FMae/FMac. During the first debate and the VP debate, McCain and Plain never once mentioned the Community Reinvestment Act and how it drove local banks to become predatory lenders. Nor did he mention how the Bush Administration tried to reform it in 2003 or how McCain himself tried to reform it in 2005, but in both cases was blocked by the Democrats.

If you buy into his theme of country first and his promise to make famous people who add pork, etc... McCain had to hold his tongue until the bailout was passed before going on the attack (Unlike Pelosi). I noticed how the RNC finally ran a web ad linking the Dems to FM/FM right after the bailout was passed, and I found it affective. However, many in the base are fearful that McCain will disappoint us like he normally does and try to be bi-partisan. The thing about McCain's bi-partisanship credentials, is that he got that by attacking Republicans--that's why the press used to love him.

Now he's just taking his lumps and that's pissing off the base. If he doesn't change his strategy around soon, I'm going to organize as many republicans to vote 3rd party or vote Obama, so this jerk goes down in history as the next Bob Dole. In fact, I hope the vote is close (like 10 votes) and then I can say I personally screwed this guy.
 

Jhhnn

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Obama does associate and feel comfy with terrorists and radicals. Heck the mysterious mentor "Frank" in his autobiography was Frank Marshall Davis a member of Communist Party. Obama has worked for the criminal ACORN (lots of convictions folks - and doing the same voter fraud this year) and he was trained in (and has taught) Alinsky community organization tactics (attack people not institutions, look middle class and not radical, use ridicule as a weapon and keep attacking etc). Of course Obama did go to a very racist lib theology church (neo Marxism at its most illustrative). Only a real psychotic could believe BO when he said he didnt know what was up. These are reasons people like Daniel Ortega like BO and say he is laying foundations for "revolutionary change" (Danny's words). BO is a real stinker that you have to be lost in your head to support (and lots of faux "Americans" are). BO was once trying to say he was for a new type of politics but he and the media have taken things to new lows by accusing people of racism for not voting for this weirdo and for things like "truth squads" and donor intimidation. Heck even the NY Slimes writes openly about these things and still people hold on to desperate rationalizations. It was so obvious today that the NY Times is doing propaganda for BO by saying he didn't really know "that bomber" when its plain he did. Their whitewash of the Annenberg Foundation program in Chicago with Obam/Ayers was spectacular prevarication. Obama wants to be our Chavez and the NY Times wants to help. Good Americans cant vote for Obama - dont let them fool you kids


Whew, I mean whew!

I once heard a crack-addled schizophrenic street corner preacher make more sense than that. Ya gotta put down the pipe, BB, or it's gonna kill ya.

Before it's over, the antics of the McCain campaign will taint politics for at least a decade, even as they totally discredit themselves in the process. If you thought the Texas Slime Machine was bad, the coming onslaught will redefine desperate dirty politics in ways that would make Lee Atwater hang his head in shame.

Something caught up to the Republicans on their way to "a permanent majority"- it was the truth, something they've avoided ever since the days of Reagan, and they'll stop at nothing to keep the electorate from seeing it.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: AllWhacked

I read that the McCain campaign thinks that the argument to link the two is TOO complex and that it would turn off voters. Personally, I think going after the Ayers and Rezko linkage is even more complex and will do nothing to help him.

You forget the republican base, are not the brightest bulbs in the box... They dont understand complex economics. They understand Obama=Terrorist. Obama=Hate America and things like that. The fact that it isnt true means nothing. The accusation does the damage,a dn thats why its there. =)
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Obama does associate and feel comfy with terrorists and radicals. Heck the mysterious mentor "Frank" in his autobiography was Frank Marshall Davis a member of Communist Party. Obama has worked for the criminal ACORN (lots of convictions folks - and doing the same voter fraud this year) and he was trained in (and has taught) Alinsky community organization tactics (attack people not institutions, look middle class and not radical, use ridicule as a weapon and keep attacking etc). Of course Obama did go to a very racist lib theology church (neo Marxism at its most illustrative). Only a real psychotic could believe BO when he said he didnt know what was up. These are reasons people like Daniel Ortega like BO and say he is laying foundations for "revolutionary change" (Danny's words). BO is a real stinker that you have to be lost in your head to support (and lots of faux "Americans" are). BO was once trying to say he was for a new type of politics but he and the media have taken things to new lows by accusing people of racism for not voting for this weirdo and for things like "truth squads" and donor intimidation. Heck even the NY Slimes writes openly about these things and still people hold on to desperate rationalizations. It was so obvious today that the NY Times is doing propaganda for BO by saying he didn't really know "that bomber" when its plain he did. Their whitewash of the Annenberg Foundation program in Chicago with Obam/Ayers was spectacular prevarication. Obama wants to be our Chavez and the NY Times wants to help. Good Americans cant vote for Obama - dont let them fool you kids

You forgot about the Space Aliens and Satan.

And Homosexuals and Iran.
 

Moonbeam

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I think Butterbean is very lucid about the dangers of falling into a deep and frightening ideology like communism because he has fallen into one, but a different one, himself. He is crying out to save you from what has gotten him, perhaps.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think Butterbean is very lucid about the dangers of falling into a deep and frightening ideology like communism because he has fallen into one, but a different one, himself. He is crying out to save you from what has gotten him, perhaps.

I think he is a closet Obama supporter.

I could easily see many undecided voters reading lunatic rants like that from right wing extremists like Butterbean and decide "hell no, that isnt me" and vote for the dems.

Maybe it isnt all that dramatic, but look at it this way. If an undecided voter read all of Butterbean's rants. Is is likely to help the reps or the dems get their vote? answer - Dems
 

techs

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Originally posted by: AllWhacked
Whoever is running McCain's campaign is retarded. The Republican base is pissed that McCain is not bringing up the Community Reinvestment Act and how the Dems blocked attempts to regulate FMae/FMac, even when it was clear something was wrong with them.

I read that the McCain campaign thinks that the argument to link the two is TOO complex and that it would turn off voters. Personally, I think going after the Ayers and Rezko linkage is even more complex and will do nothing to help him. In fact, my friends who are Democrat were shocked to learn of the CRA and now might vote Republican because of it.

Anyway, back to Obama. Even if he regularly has beers with Ayers, it's not like we expect Obama to blow up the Pentagon. Also, Ayers did this crap 30+ years ago. That's old news. No one gives a crap that he hangs with commies and terrorist A-holes! People who are already inclined to vote for Obama, will probably feel more justified for voting for him for just those same reasons.

What bothers me is that I keep hearing Biden and Obama slam the Republicans on the economy and blaming deregulation for causing this mess. While I won't blame just the Dems, because the Republicans have a hand in it too, McCain's populist bullshit response about greed in WallStreet is a lame argument that is going to lose him the election.

On the flip side to McCain's campaign being retarded, I've also heard the rumor that all this talk about going after Ayers and Rezko is secretly a ploy by McCain to pretend to attack Obama on this, while in fact attacking the Dems on their involvement in FMae/FMac. During the first debate and the VP debate, McCain and Plain never once mentioned the Community Reinvestment Act and how it drove local banks to become predatory lenders. Nor did he mention how the Bush Administration tried to reform it in 2003 or how McCain himself tried to reform it in 2005, but in both cases was blocked by the Democrats.

If you buy into his theme of country first and his promise to make famous people who add pork, etc... McCain had to hold his tongue until the bailout was passed before going on the attack (Unlike Pelosi). I noticed how the RNC finally ran a web ad linking the Dems to FM/FM right after the bailout was passed, and I found it affective. However, many in the base are fearful that McCain will disappoint us like he normally does and try to be bi-partisan. The thing about McCain's bi-partisanship credentials, is that he got that by attacking Republicans--that's why the press used to love him.

Now he's just taking his lumps and that's pissing off the base. If he doesn't change his strategy around soon, I'm going to organize as many republicans to vote 3rd party or vote Obama, so this jerk goes down in history as the next Bob Dole. In fact, I hope the vote is close (like 10 votes) and then I can say I personally screwed this guy.

Whoever is running McCain's campaign is retarded. The Republican base is pissed that McCain is not bringing up the Community Reinvestment Act and how the Dems blocked attempts to regulate FMae/FMac, even when it was clear something was wrong with them.

Funny, but I heard the loans made for low income workers under the Community Reinvestment Act have turned out to be fantastically good performers with a LOWER rate of delinquincies and defaults than regular home loans. IIRC I heard it from about 5 different sources. I also heard that the HUGE bulk of the loans that are the problem were made during the last 7 years, so blame Bush.
 

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Obama and Biden both support an new assault weapon ban, so I would vote against them for no other reason than that.

However I'm also voting against them because I'm no fan of bigger government and more socialism. I'm also against the current Wall Street bailout that has been passed by this Democrat controlled congress.

IMO the issue of the economy is not important to me. Yes some people are being hurt by it but they should have better prepared for this and not mismanaged their money. As long as you have food, water, and shelter everything else to some degree is a luxury. It will eventually correct itself after some time, and hopefully people will have learned from their mistakes.

With a "popular" Obama and a democrat congress I see negative consequences and restrictions on our gun rights, which in general once they are restricted it becomes alot harder to get them unrestricted. Remember the Heller case was a narrow 5 - 4 victory.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think Butterbean is very lucid about the dangers of falling into a deep and frightening ideology like communism because he has fallen into one, but a different one, himself. He is crying out to save you from what has gotten him, perhaps.
I think he is a closet Obama supporter...
I would agree that Buggerbean is most likely in a closet, though I'm not yet sure which one...
 

RKDaley

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Obama does associate and feel comfy with terrorists and radicals. Heck the mysterious mentor "Frank" in his autobiography was Frank Marshall Davis a member of Communist Party. Obama has worked for the criminal ACORN (lots of convictions folks - and doing the same voter fraud this year) and he was trained in (and has taught) Alinsky community organization tactics (attack people not institutions, look middle class and not radical, use ridicule as a weapon and keep attacking etc). Of course Obama did go to a very racist lib theology church (neo Marxism at its most illustrative). Only a real psychotic could believe BO when he said he didnt know what was up. These are reasons people like Daniel Ortega like BO and say he is laying foundations for "revolutionary change" (Danny's words). BO is a real stinker that you have to be lost in your head to support (and lots of faux "Americans" are). BO was once trying to say he was for a new type of politics but he and the media have taken things to new lows by accusing people of racism for not voting for this weirdo and for things like "truth squads" and donor intimidation. Heck even the NY Slimes writes openly about these things and still people hold on to desperate rationalizations. It was so obvious today that the NY Times is doing propaganda for BO by saying he didn't really know "that bomber" when its plain he did. Their whitewash of the Annenberg Foundation program in Chicago with Obam/Ayers was spectacular prevarication. Obama wants to be our Chavez and the NY Times wants to help. Good Americans cant vote for Obama - dont let them fool you kids


Gotta get Obama! Gotta get Obama!
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Obama does associate and feel comfy with terrorists and radicals. Heck the mysterious mentor "Frank" in his autobiography was Frank Marshall Davis a member of Communist Party. Obama has worked for the criminal ACORN (lots of convictions folks - and doing the same voter fraud this year) and he was trained in (and has taught) Alinsky community organization tactics (attack people not institutions, look middle class and not radical, use ridicule as a weapon and keep attacking etc). Of course Obama did go to a very racist lib theology church (neo Marxism at its most illustrative). Only a real psychotic could believe BO when he said he didnt know what was up. These are reasons people like Daniel Ortega like BO and say he is laying foundations for "revolutionary change" (Danny's words). BO is a real stinker that you have to be lost in your head to support (and lots of faux "Americans" are). BO was once trying to say he was for a new type of politics but he and the media have taken things to new lows by accusing people of racism for not voting for this weirdo and for things like "truth squads" and donor intimidation. Heck even the NY Slimes writes openly about these things and still people hold on to desperate rationalizations. It was so obvious today that the NY Times is doing propaganda for BO by saying he didn't really know "that bomber" when its plain he did. Their whitewash of the Annenberg Foundation program in Chicago with Obam/Ayers was spectacular prevarication. Obama wants to be our Chavez and the NY Times wants to help. Good Americans cant vote for Obama - dont let them fool you kids

What's it like to know that not a single person takes you seriously?
 

Zorba

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Any one have a leak to the favorability polls of the candidates?
 

Jschmuck2

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
What's it like to know that not a single person takes you seriously?
With a name like schmuck you should know huh? ;)

At least some of the things I've read from you are somewhat lucid.

The next time you guys are at you're crazy right-wing meetings, do you think you can convince JS80 to go out for a drink with me? He lives very close and refuses to go.