Question Help with Threadripper 3 Build (everything but the CPU/Mobo)

dsc106

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I know we won't have the Threadripper 3000x CPUs or TXR40 motherboards until later next month, but in the meantime, I am trying to research the best way to do a full system upgrade with all other supporting components. I will probably go with the (rumored) 24-core (3960x) to keep clock speeds up, or 32-core if single core performance is about similar. I don't think I will benefit much from higher cores.

First priority is video editing (4K 10-bit HVEC files and ProRes files) and other work media tasks (audio, photoshop, color grading, etc). I use primarily Adobe Premiere Pro but may be looking at DaVinci Resolve in the future as well.

Second priority is gaming, especially after the consoles transition to next gen. This is everything out there - from XCom 2, Overwatch to Cyberpunk 2077 (next year), Doom Eternal... to Oculus Rift games + used with full on sims (DCS:World, Project Cars 2, Dirt Rally 2) and so forth.

Current Build in Signature. Build made in 2012, about 7.5 years ago.

Proper Quality Build is top priority. Budget is flexible and secondary to that. We are all on a budget, but I am not trying to squeeze a bang for buck build here, I am trying to follow the 80/20 rule and then bump up one notch from there (I guess that would be closer to a 90/10 rule eh?).

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1. PSU I assume I should upgrade my PSU? What are some recommendations for the best quality PSU and a good power rating to "future proof" me a power hungry threadripper, a possible swap out to gen 4 or gen 5 threadripper in the future, an RTX 3080 TI in the future, etc. That sort of thing. Plenty of internal HDDs.

2. CASE I have been perfectly happy with my now discontinued Lian Li case. I like how it's minimalist black aluminium with no side window or design, I prefer this as it fits into my video editing office and is discreet. I was thinking I would just continue using this case, but I also know it is sometimes easier to just "start fresh" rather than dissassemble my existing build and transfer it into an older backup case. Thoughts on a case replacement (yay or nay), and if so, what? If so - I like a similar size full tower with lots of room to work and expand, high quality understated aesthetic, smart thermals, toolless design.

3. RAM I was looking at 128gb of RAM to give myself plenty of headroom in some of my massive project files, which I have found myself pushing the current 64gb system on - especially with multiple apps open. What brand and cost may I be looking at here (I realize we may need to learn more about threadripper 3 first).

4. SSD I want an M.2 boot drive. Right now i have a Corsair 970 1TB M.2 that i use as my media cache drive. I was considering replacing this with the newer Corsair MP600 2TB m.2 drive, and repurposing the older 970 1TB M.2 as a boot drive. Thoughts? Or better to get a brand new MP600 1TB m.2 for the boot drive, plus an MP600 2TB m.2 as my media cache, and then maybe slide the older 970 1TB m.2 drive into my future QNAP server as SSD cache?

5. COOLING Thoughts on best thermal cooler for the new AMD chips? Previously I had a Corsair H80 liquid cooler setup, but I saw a Linus Tech Tips thing on how those aren't very great. I would prefer the discreet build of something like that versus the MASSIVE nocture fans which feel wobbly. I do transport my workstation on occassion, and those things make me a little uncomfortable. I always liked the smaller low profile design of the H80. But I am open to suggestions on my best cooling options.

6. MISC Are there any misc. parts I should build into my next system? I'm talking about the small quality of life things or otherwise. It has been 7 years since my last build. Noctura case fans, cable management solutions, add-in cards, or anything random that would be a good addition on a new build?

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I am thinking to keep my GTX 1080 TI for now, and not replace until they release another generation. I have plenty of internal HDDs and will be looking to add a 10gbe QNAP server seperarely. My monitors and peripherals are already taken care of. When Threadripper 3 is announced I will separately look into motherboards, which I will be looking at the premium end with maximum ports and features.

Thanks for the help!

I guess the main things are PSU, Cooler, Case(?), SSD, Misc. Might have to wait on advising RAM?
 

Markfw

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PSU: 1200 watt to be sure you can use all of your HDDs. Make sure it has 2 atxv12v connectors both 4+4 or 8 for one and 4+4 for the other,
Cooler ? Right now you best bet is a noctura NH-14 TR4 with 2 fans in push pull. NO AIO's that are worth buying cover the entire CPU.
case ? up to you
ssd ? Make sure its PSIE4.0 and has a heat sink, or your motherboard has a built in heatsink.
Memory. 3600 and the lowest cas rating you can afford for the memory size you pick.
 

davide445

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This was a conf I've made just for looking at, using the current 2950X as reference since probably the price will be the same as the 3960X.

Mobo with plenty of space, max RAM frequency, and wifi since you are also relocating it. I like the Fractal Design case so gone for a full size tower, but of course there are other choices.
Also you need Ecc ram? Suppose not since you are not doing calculation.
Considered a 1200W PSU since you might be searching for a second GPU for acceleration (i.e. using Davinci Resolve).
Even better than that NVMe SSD will be a PCIe one, but the cost rise a lot.
Btw this thread might be better placed in Computer Building section, being this one focused on CPUs you will receive less attention for a so complete build.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Yeah might want to move this to the computer build subforum. Mods can probably help you there.

PSU - personally, I am a big fan of EVGA's outgoing lines for the ratio of price to performance. Not sure if a 1200W unit is really necessary. Threadripper itself probably won't eclipse 300-450W for the biggest, baddest 64c chips, and if you only plan on running a single GPU, you aren't going to eclipse 300W GPU power draw unless you go absolutely insane with watercooling and overvolting. Are you going to be overclocking anything? That being said:


That's one of my personal favorites. I have the 750W model and it's amazing. Alternatively:


or


I would trust the Corsair units to be at least as good, but I would look into reviews on them before pulling the trigger. Check out this review:


Looks good to me. Maybe slightly inferior to a P2 1200W in performance, but definitely cheaper! You can get one of the 1200W HX units for the same price as the 1000W P2.

RAM - take a hard look at Samsung M-die or Samsung A-die. Some people will call me crazy for making such a recommendation, but seriously, M-die already looks really good for what it is. Let me see if I can find some for you:


Ugh, out of stock nearly everywhere. I think Samsung doesn't want these DIMMs selling outside of OE channels. I've found replacement DIMMs in registered ECC format, but the desktop DIMMS have gone MIA. There's some on eBay for ~$190 per DIMM, maybe not so worth it at that price. Plus using 4 of these in each RAM bank (assuming 4 RAM banks) would yield only 4 active RAM channels, versus 4x2 you would have with 2x16GB per bank.

edit: I just remember that standard TR systems only have two banks of RAM, and TRX40 should be similar. So 4x32GB would be doable, and you would not lose any RAM channels. Just another argument in favor of M-die or A-die!

Now, moving on to the A-die:


Only place I can find it. I haven't heard much about how these things perform, but they are binned higher than Samsung's OE-style M-die DIMMs I listed above. If I were putting together a TR3 system with huge amounts of RAM, I think these DIMMs would be at the top of my list. Some tuning required, and of course you'd be blazing trails for the rest of us. Also, as with the M-die DIMMs, you could actually get 256GB pretty easily! At ~$175, they're cheaper than that M-die, too.

For a more-conservative approach, you could just go with older products. I would try 4 kits of this stuff:


Spendy, but DDR4-3200 CAS14 gives you a lot of flexibility with RAM tuning. And some excellent performance. You can save money going for something cheaper like:


16-18-18-36 @ DDR4-3200 is not amazing, and odds are good that it may not run any faster than that. With Zen2, you want to get your IF speed up around 1800Mhz in synchronous mode, and that means DDR4-3600 (which those G.Skill DIMMs might do, or at least they might get close). Still, that Patriot RAM has the lowest price/GB that I can find in the minimum density that you'd require for 128GB of RAM.

SSD - Corsair MP600 may be a good choice. They're cheaper than the Gigabyte PCIe 4.0 drives, and they look a tad faster. In fact they're cheaper than the Sabrent drives, too. Interesting. So it looks like it's Corsair or bust if you want PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives.

Cooling - custom water. Sorry, I can't recommend anything else. There still aren't any good AiOs for Threadripper, and I wouldn't expect much more to come out between now and Nov. 19th. You can try the air coolers . . . and maybe Noctua will come up big with a humongous one, but just going on what's out there right now, those hotspot temps are going to be terrible using the existing TR4 HSFs.
 
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Or you could buy Crucial Ballistix 16GB DIMMs (with *AES part numbers) that uses Micron E-die chips. It's easy to obtain 3600 CL16 speeds with this memory on Ryzen 3000 series chips so I don't foresee any issues doing the same on Threadripper 3000 platform(s).

As a bonus, these are inexpensive. A 4x16GB kit goes for around $300, and that's before any sales or promotions.
 

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Or you could buy Crucial Ballistix 16GB DIMMs (with *AES part numbers) that uses Micron E-die chips. It's easy to obtain 3600 CL16 speeds with this memory on Ryzen 3000 series chips so I don't foresee any issues doing the same on Threadripper 3000 platform(s).

As a bonus, these are inexpensive. A 4x16GB kit goes for around $300, and that's before any sales or promotions.
I tried to find these on newegg to no avail. Could you link either there or amazon ?
 

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Is that it? I see AESC at the end of the product code. BLS16G4D30AESC

Here it is in a dual-channel kit on amazon:


For less than NewEgg. DDR4-3200 kit with probably the same ICs costs just a little more:

None of those are ddr 3600. Even 3200 to get to 3600 speed ????
 

DrMrLordX

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None of those are ddr 3600. Even 3200 to get to 3600 speed ????

Apparently both the DDR4-3000 and DDR4-3200 modules will OC that high, yes. I would expect the same general behavior from the DDR4-3200 b-die I linked above.
 

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None of those are ddr 3600. Even 3200 to get to 3600 speed ????

Part number MUST include *AES to be sure you get E-die (currently a little pricey):

3200 CL16 *AES or 3000 CL15 *AES with E-die chips can easily overclock to 3600 CL16 presets. How tight you can run the secondary timings and sub-timings depends on luck and/or adding voltage. The Ryzen DRAM calculator helps with that.
 

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PSU: I like Seasonic (I have 1200W). I also have a 1600W EVGA I haven't used because I'd have to go with 20A outlet for UPS - 1300W is highest 5-15R I could find. jonnyguru for reviews.

CASE: I love my Caselabs cases. Unfortunately they aren't around any more. Before them it was Lian-li - maybe an 011 Air/dynamic.

RAM: You might want to check and see what people are using with 8 slots filled up. I don't know how much overclocking you're going to be able to do with all the slots filled.

SSD: I've used Samsung, Sandisk, Crucial, and Adata. I'll use the Samsung 970 Pro if I need performance. Haven't had a chance to check out PCIe 4.0 drives yet (Nvme). I'd be a little cautious with QLC drives since you're doing 4k video editing - their sustained speeds drop off dramatically if you're writing large files.

Cooling: You're pretty much stuck with Noctua for Air. I'm using a Heatkiller IV Pro block in a custom loop with 2 360mm rads - over 2 lbs of copper goodness ( http://shop.watercool.de/18025 ).

MISC: The only thing I could think of here is an Aqua Computer Aquaero. It's pretty niche, but you have tons of options if you want to go down that rabbit hole (think Corsair with iCue only Aqua Computer parts - farbwerk for leds, sensors, pumps). https://shop.aquacomputer.de/index.php?cPath=62_64
 

dlerious

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This was a conf I've made just for looking at, using the current 2950X as reference since probably the price will be the same as the 3960X.

Mobo with plenty of space, max RAM frequency, and wifi since you are also relocating it. I like the Fractal Design case so gone for a full size tower, but of course there are other choices.
Also you need Ecc ram? Suppose not since you are not doing calculation.

2666 was the highest speed I could find when I bought mine (4x16GB ~$500) for ECC UDIMMs. Doesn't look like it's changed.
 

thesmokingman

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Are you doing CPU encoding OP? I am all in on gpu encoding these days.

Btw, these Trident Neos 2x16gb 3600 C16-16-16 are on sale for 2 hours. They were 300 last night and 15 off right now.